Super Saiyan 2's Short-lived Run

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Super Saiyan 2's Short-lived Run
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SuperSaiyan1993	Feb 23 2014, 03:42 PM Post #1
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	Of all the forms, SSJ2 is my favorite. (more or less tied with SSJ since it is SSJ with lighting) It was only used in battle to defeat 1 major villain. For the Majin Vegeta fight, both were SSJ2 so, at least for me, it didn't count that much (still an amazing fight though) The last fight in which it was used, it was deemed useless against Fatty Buu Buu. What I'm asking here fellow DBZF members is this: -- Do you think SSJ2 was short-lived/under-utilized? -- If you could make the series, how would you make SSJ2 last more?
	We Super Saiyans are in a league of our own.


bloodstained euphy	Feb 23 2014, 03:44 PM Post #2
Posts: 842 Group: Member Member #7,357 Joined: February 25, 2012 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Code Geas, Dinosaur King, Sword Art Online, One Punch Man, Danganronpa What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox	1) Yes 2) Nerf Fat Buu so Goku doesn't have to go SSJ3 to fight him. Also I would make it look more than just Super Saiyan with the hair spiked to maximum.



Ben	Feb 23 2014, 04:26 PM Post #3
Posts: 564 Group: Donator Member #10,230 Joined: September 20, 2013 Gender Not Specified What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	bloodstained euphy Feb 23 2014, 03:44 PM 1) Yes 2) Nerf Fat Buu so Goku doesn't have to go SSJ3 to fight him. Also I would make it look more than just Super Saiyan with the hair spiked to maximum. If SSJ2 had looked more like SSJ3, and SSJ3 was in fact SSJ4 from GT, I would be a happy camper. Instead of Goku just randomly discovering another form while dead, he could have come back having finally mastered the Oozaru form with help from Kaio-sama. Pllus, if you think about it, shouldn't dead Goku have a tail since that is his soul and not his old physical body? Otherwhise why wouldn't he have that hole Piccolo put in him too and be zombie Goku?. I always felt like SSJ3 was kind of a gimmicky add on with no build up, I'm not sure it was necessary and the design would have made more sense as SSJ2. Just my take. Edited by Ben, Feb 23 2014, 04:26 PM.



+ Yusuke	Feb 23 2014, 05:20 PM Post #4
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	I would have liked to see SSJ2 used more in the series. The anime did a good job with that with the SSJ2 Goku VS Kid Buu fight.
	Ask Yusuke


Hearts	Feb 23 2014, 05:29 PM Post #5
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	Just as Bloodstained Euphy said, nerf fat Buu, let SSJ2 have a chance against him.



+ Kaboom	Feb 23 2014, 05:45 PM Post #6
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	SuperSaiyan1993 Feb 23 2014, 03:42 PM 1) Do you think SSJ2 was short-lived/under-utilized? 2) If you could make the series, how would you make SSJ2 last more? 1) Hmmm... Maybe a little. It did kind of have its spotlight stolen and hogged by Super Saiyan 3, but it didn't disappear completely. Vegeta at least was still a prominent user of SSJ2, during the final battle with Pure Boo. Plus, Super Saiyan 3 itself had to share that spotlight with stuff like Fusion and Gohan's fancy free power-up. 2) Easy. Take Super Saiyan 3 away from Gotenks. Instead, have Super Saiyan Gotenks already clearly superior to Fat Boo (not just MAYBE and unconfirmed like he was), but Boo transforms before Gotenks gets a chance to fight him. Have Gotenks not only become moderately stronger during his desperate RoSaT use, but also have him gain Super Saiyan 2, which gives him the extra edge he needs to fight Evil Boo evenly. This would murder several birds with one stone: - As the topic suggests, it restores some worth to Super Saiyan 2. - It doesn't devalue Super Saiyan 3 by having the fart-knocker kids use it (even indirectly as Gotenks). - It likewise doesn't devalue Fusion by making a huge power boost like SSJ3 necessary to fight Boo. Rather, in all instances, Super Saiyan 1 or 2 would be enough. - It would reduce some of the potentially-massive power bloat resulting solely from Gotenks having and using SSJ3. Edited by Kaboom, Feb 23 2014, 05:46 PM.



+ miguelnuva	Feb 24 2014, 12:16 AM Post #7
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Ssj2 was a more shafted then Ssj1. In stead of 3 stages of ssj we got ssj3 fusion and potara.
	Gogeta power placement


AvatarReiko	Feb 28 2014, 07:18 PM Post #8
Posts: 493 Group: Member Member #10,670 Joined: January 3, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Bleach, Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Bleach	Ben Feb 23 2014, 04:26 PM bloodstained euphy Feb 23 2014, 03:44 PM 1) Yes 2) Nerf Fat Buu so Goku doesn't have to go SSJ3 to fight him. Also I would make it look more than just Super Saiyan with the hair spiked to maximum. If SSJ2 had looked more like SSJ3, and SSJ3 was in fact SSJ4 from GT, I would be a happy camper. Instead of Goku just randomly discovering another form while dead, he could have come back having finally mastered the Oozaru form with help from Kaio-sama. Pllus, if you think about it, shouldn't dead Goku have a tail since that is his soul and not his old physical body? Otherwhise why wouldn't he have that hole Piccolo put in him too and be zombie Goku?. I always felt like SSJ3 was kind of a gimmicky add on with no build up, I'm not sure it was necessary and the design would have made more sense as SSJ2. Just my take. no, it is his physical body. When a warrior dies and goes to other world, on special occasions, they have their dead body rebuilt or restored. A Halo is then put on. When Goku died after raditz, kami rebuilt his body so he could trim with king kai.



TheGmGoken	Feb 28 2014, 11:08 PM Post #9
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	Yes. Even in video games they're underrated. I do wish Gotenks fought in SSJ2 instead of three since it would be cool. Though Vegeta did use it a lot. It just got outshined by fusion and SSJ3.



~~gogito~~	Mar 2 2014, 09:38 AM Post #10
Saiyan Posts: 115 Group: Suspended Member #10,539 Joined: November 27, 2013 Gender Male	1) pretty much. besides those two instances you mentioned, it's not really used in the series as much as SSJ. hell, if SSJ2 only got those three instances, then it's even less used than SSJ3 which was used on 5 different occasions. 2) i would emphasize more on the lightning. that's really it's defining aspect but toriyama never really played off of that i feel like, there was the lightning but it was minimal. i'm not saying shove the amount of lightning down our throats, but a more medium amount would've been nice. i thought it was cool. but as far as the hair, i don't see what he could've done with the hair besides make it spiked to the max. for gohan and goku, it worked.... but vegeta's hair is always the same, regardless of base/ssj/ssj2. so i get that.



+ Pyrus	Mar 2 2014, 12:58 PM Post #11
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	On the flip side, Super Saiyan 2 never got to the point of boring like Super Saiyan 1 did. It still felt somewhat special to me.
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Hearts	Mar 2 2014, 01:42 PM Post #12
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	Kamikaze Pyro Mar 2 2014, 12:58 PM On the flip side, Super Saiyan 2 never got to the point of boring like Super Saiyan 1 did. It still felt somewhat special to me. Yeah I agree, It still feels like "Badass Mode initiated"



Android17fan	Mar 2 2014, 01:56 PM Post #13
Posts: 125 Group: Member Member #10,490 Joined: November 15, 2013	1) While I liked how rare it was used and that it didn't lose its charm likke SSJ did. It got outshined by SSJ3 and Fusion. 2) Don't have Goku discover SSJ3 so early. Have him fight Fat Boo with SSJ2 longer. And Have Gotenks use SSJ2 instead of SSJ3



Ben	Mar 3 2014, 05:39 AM Post #14
Posts: 564 Group: Donator Member #10,230 Joined: September 20, 2013 Gender Not Specified What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	AvatarReiko Feb 28 2014, 07:18 PM Ben Feb 23 2014, 04:26 PM bloodstained euphy Feb 23 2014, 03:44 PM 1) Yes 2) Nerf Fat Buu so Goku doesn't have to go SSJ3 to fight him. Also I would make it look more than just Super Saiyan with the hair spiked to maximum. If SSJ2 had looked more like SSJ3, and SSJ3 was in fact SSJ4 from GT, I would be a happy camper. Instead of Goku just randomly discovering another form while dead, he could have come back having finally mastered the Oozaru form with help from Kaio-sama. Pllus, if you think about it, shouldn't dead Goku have a tail since that is his soul and not his old physical body? Otherwhise why wouldn't he have that hole Piccolo put in him too and be zombie Goku?. I always felt like SSJ3 was kind of a gimmicky add on with no build up, I'm not sure it was necessary and the design would have made more sense as SSJ2. Just my take. no, it is his physical body. When a warrior dies and goes to other world, on special occasions, they have their dead body rebuilt or restored. A Halo is then put on. When Goku died after raditz, kami rebuilt his body so he could trim with king kai. I think you're a little mixed up about it from the FUNi dub, though. The "other world" actually is Heaven, and most people don't get to keep their body because they get reincarnated (which is why Piccolo told Vegeta he'd never get to fight Goku again when he blew himself up against Buu). All of those scenes in Hell are filler, they aren't in the manga and confuse people into thinking DBZ has a Western/Judeo-Christian afterlife when it's supposed to be Buddhist or at least traditional Chinese (a la Journey to the West). So I still don't buy why they woudln't get their tail back, but that's just nit picking, considering we never even got an explanation of why Trunks and Goten didn't have them I thnk it's pretty obvious Toriyama just didn't want to draw them. Edited by Ben, Mar 3 2014, 05:39 AM.



+ Kaboom	Mar 3 2014, 03:32 PM Post #15
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	Glancing again at my "take SSJ3 away from Gotenks" idea, I was thinking maybe Gotenks could gain Super Saiyan 2 by means of Goten and Trunks getting it individually, and he's only capable of whichever forms they have. But giving SSJ2 to the kids would in turn devalue it immensely, and kind of undermine the point...



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