lunar2

Feb 18 2014, 01:26 AM

2. vader found luke's weakness by reading his mind. luke was thinking about leia, and vader picked up on that. vader did not spontaneously know. also, where is your evidence that raditz is weakminded? all saiyans we have seen are incredibly stubborn, and raditz should be no different.

also, pod racers topped out at 900 kph. bullets fly much faster than that, and roshi can catch bullets. so rra saga roshi > episode 1 anakin in reflex speed.

3. first off, speed calcs are banned in other versus, if you'd read the rules. they are banned specifically because of the kind of crap that you just posted.

blaster bolts are estimated, by actually measuring their speed in a new hope, to be traveling under 250 m/s or 900 kph. that's not even close to mach 1, so mach 8 is definitely out of the picture. also, you don't just add up all the shots and that's how fast he's going. he doesn't even have to be moving as fast as the blaster bolts to dodge them. he only needs to be moving faster than them if he is trying to outrun them. he was able to dodge so many because there is no way 10,000 different guns can all be aimed at the same man sized target at one time. it's not physically possible, even if they were in a perfect sphere around him.

btw, source on blaster speed http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/05/star-wars-blaster-speed/

and luke didn't gain between shadows of the empire and RotJ, because he didn't train. there were no instances of training shown between the two relevant fights. none whatsoever.

so, to recap. you were wrong on vader's ability to know weaknesses without being told (or reading minds).

you were ridiculously wrong on obi-wan's speed. seriously wherever you get these calcs you bring up in all these different topics, quit going there, because everything they have ever told you that you have repeated on this forum is utter crap.

and you were wrong about luke getting stronger between shadows of the empire and RotJ, because it doesn't matter how fast he can gain when he trains if he doesn't train.

edit: vader in a suit. the force can't directly affect machines the same way it can organics. so vader can't amp his suit's speed and strength the same way he would do with his biological body. so we still compare vader to luke's demonstrated strength and speed.

any very dense or very strong material can resist lightsabers. in children of the jedi, luke's lightsaber was unable to damage a droid built to work within an antimatter engine. the yuuzhan vong's armor was highly resistant to plasma based weaponry, which included lightsabers. and the material you were thinking of was cortosis. armor or weapons infused with cortosis could deflect lightning strikes, and weapons made of pure cortosis could short out a lightsaber entirely.

ki protects against the kinetic energy of a plasma blade because it makes the flesh much tougher than normal. so only the heat of the plasma will deal damage. raditz will be burned if he is hit by a lightsaber, but he will not be cut.

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Obi-Wan was already making that exact move as Anakin spoke. But they were inverted to each other: breaking right shot him one way while Anakin whipped the other. The tri-fighters' cannons ripped space between them, tracking faster than their starfighters could slip. His onboard threat display chimed a warning: two of the droids had remote sensor locks on him. The others must have lit up his partner. "Anakin! Slip-jaws!"

"My thought exactly."

They blew past the tri-fighters, looping in evasive spirals. The droid ships wrenched themselves into pursuit maneuvers that would have killed any living pilot. The slip-jaws maneuver was named for the scissorlike mandibles of the Kashyyyk slash-spider. Droids closing rapidly on their tails, cannonfire stitching space on all sides, the two Jedi pulled their ships through perfectly mirrored rolls that sent them streaking head-on for each other from opposite ends of a vast Republic cruiser. For merely human pilots, this would be suicide. By the time you can see your partner's starfighter streaking toward you at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, it's already too late for your merely human reflexes to react.

But these particular pilots were far from merely human.

The Force nudged hands on control yokes and the Jedi starfighters twisted and flashed past each other belly-to-belly, close enough to scorch each other's paint.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith.

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He is a former associate, yes, but --"

It happened before he could get out another word. Faster than an eyeblink. Faster than he'd seen anyone move, anyone except Yoda.

The lightsaber hadn't been there, and then it was, and the lightsaber was a blur. Vader moved without seeming to move, and the lightsaber sliced into Roan, straight into his chest. Straight into his heart.

-- Taken from Star Wars: Last of the Jedi: Secret Weapon

And that was Ferus Olin, who has enhanced reaction speeds/reflexes, and precognition + clairvoyance.

miguelnuva

Feb 18 2014, 09:23 AM

lunar2

Feb 18 2014, 01:26 AM

2. vader found luke's weakness by reading his mind. luke was thinking about leia, and vader picked up on that. vader did not spontaneously know. also, where is your evidence that raditz is weakminded? all saiyans we have seen are incredibly stubborn, and raditz should be no different.

also, pod racers topped out at 900 kph. bullets fly much faster than that, and roshi can catch bullets. so rra saga roshi > episode 1 anakin in reflex speed.

3. first off, speed calcs are banned in other versus, if you'd read the rules. they are banned specifically because of the kind of crap that you just posted.

blaster bolts are estimated, by actually measuring their speed in a new hope, to be traveling under 250 m/s or 900 kph. that's not even close to mach 1, so mach 8 is definitely out of the picture. also, you don't just add up all the shots and that's how fast he's going. he doesn't even have to be moving as fast as the blaster bolts to dodge them. he only needs to be moving faster than them if he is trying to outrun them. he was able to dodge so many because there is no way 10,000 different guns can all be aimed at the same man sized target at one time. it's not physically possible, even if they were in a perfect sphere around him.

btw, source on blaster speed http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/05/star-wars-blaster-speed/

and luke didn't gain between shadows of the empire and RotJ, because he didn't train. there were no instances of training shown between the two relevant fights. none whatsoever.

so, to recap. you were wrong on vader's ability to know weaknesses without being told (or reading minds).

you were ridiculously wrong on obi-wan's speed. seriously wherever you get these calcs you bring up in all these different topics, quit going there, because everything they have ever told you that you have repeated on this forum is utter crap.

and you were wrong about luke getting stronger between shadows of the empire and RotJ, because it doesn't matter how fast he can gain when he trains if he doesn't train.

edit: vader in a suit. the force can't directly affect machines the same way it can organics. so vader can't amp his suit's speed and strength the same way he would do with his biological body. so we still compare vader to luke's demonstrated strength and speed.

any very dense or very strong material can resist lightsabers. in children of the jedi, luke's lightsaber was unable to damage a droid built to work within an antimatter engine. the yuuzhan vong's armor was highly resistant to plasma based weaponry, which included lightsabers. and the material you were thinking of was cortosis. armor or weapons infused with cortosis could deflect lightning strikes, and weapons made of pure cortosis could short out a lightsaber entirely.

ki protects against the kinetic energy of a plasma blade because it makes the flesh much tougher than normal. so only the heat of the plasma will deal damage. raditz will be burned if he is hit by a lightsaber, but he will not be cut.

2. Raditz was seen as lower than Nappa and Nappa was clearly a weak minded lap dog.

Yeah Master Roshi who trained his whole life vs Anakin who had done no training what so ever in his life. The fact a 9 year old human boy can react like that is still impressive.

Here's another speed feat.

Anakin & Obi has reacted to ships moving at sub-light speed:

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Obi-Wan was already making that exact move as Anakin spoke. But they were inverted to each other: breaking right shot him one way while Anakin whipped the other. The tri-fighters' cannons ripped space between them, tracking faster than their starfighters could slip. His onboard threat display chimed a warning: two of the droids had remote sensor locks on him. The others must have lit up his partner. "Anakin! Slip-jaws!"

"My thought exactly."

They blew past the tri-fighters, looping in evasive spirals. The droid ships wrenched themselves into pursuit maneuvers that would have killed any living pilot. The slip-jaws maneuver was named for the scissorlike mandibles of the Kashyyyk slash-spider. Droids closing rapidly on their tails, cannonfire stitching space on all sides, the two Jedi pulled their ships through perfectly mirrored rolls that sent them streaking head-on for each other from opposite ends of a vast Republic cruiser. For merely human pilots, this would be suicide. By the time you can see your partner's starfighter streaking toward you at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, it's already too late for your merely human reflexes to react.

But these particular pilots were far from merely human.

The Force nudged hands on control yokes and the Jedi starfighters twisted and flashed past each other belly-to-belly, close enough to scorch each other's paint.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith.

Vader has reacted to Sub-Light speeds in the above post.

Vader is usually very underrated in speed, having managed feats such as deflecting blaster bolts from turret emplacements, drawing his lightsaber faster than thought, swinging his lightsaber fast enough to compose a shield out of his blade, fighting so quickly his arms seemed to teleport, deflecting floods of blaster fire from enemies, producing afterimages of his lightsaber, moving in less than an eyeblink, tossing tie-fighter with the force and so on.

also EU Vader can absorb energy blasts and manipulate it at his will(an extension of him deflecting them in the film), move faster than other Jedi/Sith can see.

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He is a former associate, yes, but --"

It happened before he could get out another word. Faster than an eyeblink. Faster than he'd seen anyone move, anyone except Yoda.

The lightsaber hadn't been there, and then it was, and the lightsaber was a blur. Vader moved without seeming to move, and the lightsaber sliced into Roan, straight into his chest. Straight into his heart.

-- Taken from Star Wars: Last of the Jedi: Secret Weapon

And that was Ferus Olin, who has enhanced reaction speeds/reflexes, and precognition + clairvoyance.

Jedi don't have to train to get stronger. Yoda was on the council for centuries and states out his mouth that Masters don't train.

Luke just has to keep living and the force will increase his powers the same way it did Anakin.

Vader has amped his suit strength even further and his speed by the way.

Also you can't prove that a lightsaber will be stopped by Ki. Goku has been cut by glass and by crashing into Rocks.

Finally it is the heat of the saber that is helping the cut.