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The Nothing vs Pre Crisis Superman
Topic Started: Feb 10 2014, 01:29 AM (689 Views)
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An alternate topic of lazerbem. Do the walking plot device has a chance?

(Supes only has abilities he has shown)
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Since Superman has shown the ability to create powers on the fly he creates Something vision and wins.
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Oh, this is hard. The Nothing can't really be fought with brute strength, it is nothing, you can't fight it. Dr. Fate or Emperor Joker have a better chance but even then, it's very debatable.

On the other hand, The Nothing can't do very much to Superman.

Was Pre-Crisis Superman resistant to mind attacks? If he isn't, just being near The Nothing will make him turn suicidal
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Feb 10 2014, 12:46 PM
Oh, this is hard. The Nothing can't really be fought with brute strength, it is nothing, you can't fight it. Dr. Fate or Emperor Joker have a better chance but even then, it's very debatable.

On the other hand, The Nothing can't do very much to Superman.

Was Pre-Crisis Superman resistant to mind attacks? If he isn't, just being near The Nothing will make him turn suicidal
http://blog.paxholley.net/2011/07/04/1-of-supermans-most-absurd-pre-crisis-super-powers/

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Feb 10 2014, 12:55 PM
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Feb 10 2014, 12:46 PM
Oh, this is hard. The Nothing can't really be fought with brute strength, it is nothing, you can't fight it. Dr. Fate or Emperor Joker have a better chance but even then, it's very debatable.

On the other hand, The Nothing can't do very much to Superman.

Was Pre-Crisis Superman resistant to mind attacks? If he isn't, just being near The Nothing will make him turn suicidal
http://blog.paxholley.net/2011/07/04/1-of-supermans-most-absurd-pre-crisis-super-powers/

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Telepathy typically comes with mind-shields. If Superman can resist The Nothing's aura of despair, he wins via The Nothing consuming itself and out lasting it
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im not really familiar with superman of any kind, tconnors link basically sums up why.

but what would happen to the nothing if supes could make a massive black hole (if he can even do it pre crisis(noidea) and doesn't get sucked in himself)

does the nothing even move..or is it just a presence that is everywhere? (the nothing confuses me)
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Feb 11 2014, 08:15 PM
im not really familiar with superman of any kind, tconnors link basically sums up why.

but what would happen to the nothing if supes could make a massive black hole (if he can even do it pre crisis(noidea) and doesn't get sucked in himself)

does the nothing even move..or is it just a presence that is everywhere? (the nothing confuses me)
The Nothing flips the laws of physics the finger, apparently, it can destroy matter. As the Rock Biter says.

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The lake was gone, nothing was left. Not even a hole, a hole would be something. And it got bigger, and bigger


The Nothing's power depends on the hopes and dreams(rather lack of) of man kind. At first it was a rather small presence that destroyed everything near it, but didn't move. At its most powerful, it destroyed a boundless dimension without moving. The Nothing doesn't move, it just grows.

If Superman creates a black hole, The Nothing can literally just destroy the black hole via absorbing it. It has no will, therefore, it can't resist The Nothing. We get an age old stalemate, the Nothing can't hurt Supes and vice a verse. The Nothing does have a suicide aura, if Superman doesn't have optimism, he'll kill himself
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Feb 11 2014, 09:33 PM
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Feb 11 2014, 08:15 PM
im not really familiar with superman of any kind, tconnors link basically sums up why.

but what would happen to the nothing if supes could make a massive black hole (if he can even do it pre crisis(noidea) and doesn't get sucked in himself)

does the nothing even move..or is it just a presence that is everywhere? (the nothing confuses me)
The Nothing flips the laws of physics the finger, apparently, it can destroy matter. As the Rock Biter says.

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The lake was gone, nothing was left. Not even a hole, a hole would be something. And it got bigger, and bigger


The Nothing's power depends on the hopes and dreams(rather lack of) of man kind. At first it was a rather small presence that destroyed everything near it, but didn't move. At its most powerful, it destroyed a boundless dimension without moving. The Nothing doesn't move, it just grows.

If Superman creates a black hole, The Nothing can literally just destroy the black hole via absorbing it. It has no will, therefore, it can't resist The Nothing. We get an age old stalemate, the Nothing can't hurt Supes and vice a verse. The Nothing does have a suicide aura, if Superman doesn't have optimism, he'll kill himself
This battle will never end since Pre Crisis Supes might as well be physical incarnate of optimism...
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PC Superman creates anti Nothing vision after the stalemate goes on for a while.
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I don't know anything about The Nothing or who that even is. But the reason why pre crisis superman pulled out random powers at times is because of the writers not knowing what they're doing. You guys are making it seem like its a power to be able to come up with powers. Is it fair to say that though? He might as well be omnipotent if you say that
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PC Superman is able to resist mind control and a creature that exploits the negativeness in people can't hurt him. Likewise, a character that works with raw strenght can't beat one that can't be physically fought. So a tie is the only way out.

And man, i really have to watch this movie. All that talk got me interested.
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Feb 12 2014, 10:34 PM
PC Superman is able to resist mind control and a creature that exploits the negativeness in people can't hurt him. Likewise, a character that works with raw strenght can't beat one that can't be physically fought. So a tie is the only way out.

And man, i really have to watch this movie. All that talk got me interested.
The Nothing doesn't really exploit things, it's more a case of being near him. A person can be happy as can be and have no bad memories and be turned into a suicidal wreck by being near The Nothing.
Here is the scene explaining The Nothing. To everyone who needs info, here is the servant of The Nothing explaining everything
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Feb 12 2014, 10:29 PM
I don't know anything about The Nothing or who that even is. But the reason why pre crisis superman pulled out random powers at times is because of the writers not knowing what they're doing. You guys are making it seem like its a power to be able to come up with powers. Is it fair to say that though? He might as well be omnipotent if you say that
The writers not knowing what they were doing gave PC Superman the ability to create his own powers. That's why superman fans know he is BS and that's why DC had to get rid of him in infinite crisis.

Death Battle also explains why they didn't use this Superman when he was fighting Goku because he created his own powers.

Super Boy prime who was the same level as PC Superman doesn't have the create you own power and he was allowed to stay at Silver age levels.
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