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Feb 8 2014, 06:05 PM Post #1 |
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There are a few questions that I would like to ask you all about suicide in general. The questions I have are a few questions that came to mind just from sitting around and doing some thinking. Add whatever else you like to the discussion but here's a few of my questions; - What are your honest thoughts about someone taking their own life because of them constantly struggling with life, money, and perhaps, love and all of that kind of stuff as well? - Is there a certain level or amount of bull crap, struggles, or mental falls or pain that a person can go through that makes suicide not frown upon as much, more understandable, or justifiable? - Is this something that should really be looked at as a wrong thing to do, besides the fact that the person's family may go through a great deal of pain as a consequence? Who said that committing suicide was a wrong thing to do? - Should someone have the right to take their own life since they are the one having to go through pain that they feel is enough to drive then to wanting to take their own life? - Do any of you ever have thoughts of suicide if you don't mind my asking? How come? Edited by Professor Gohan, Feb 8 2014, 08:49 PM.
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| Topographic Oceans | Feb 8 2014, 07:50 PM Post #2 |
 
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That's a tough topic. There will always be the "suicide is coward vs. suicide is corageous" debate when someone brings up the subject. Someone close to me almot did it, and it was awful for everyone involved. It may take a lot of courage to do it, but the person completely disregards the pain that it causes to the loved ones.
It's not a corageous act. It takes a lot of internal thinking, but i sicerely think that people use this as a last resort because they can't handle life. It's contradictory in a way. It takes courage to do it, but the disregard for other people is something coward to me. If this person doesn't have loved ones, what i find pretty darned improbable, them it's another story. But most persons have loved ones, and simply ending your life and ignore all of the friends you have is no good. Try to seek their help first. Never resort to killing yourself.
Everyone passes for mental struggle and take a lot of crap in their lifes, and a lot of people, most of them even, have suicidal toughts. But not all of them kill themselves, like my friend, that i already mentioned. She was able to get over it, and it might sound corny, but i think there's always a way to make things better.
Putting people trough a great deal of pain is a bad thing in itself.
People can do whathever they want. The human being is free, isn't it? People can do whathever they want as long as they are able to handle the consequences. If they wanna kill themselves, them they can do it. But they should consider other people. How many people passed for a amazing amount of crap and didn't kill themselves? A big lot, i would say. I understand that there's a point were people can't take it anymore. It takes courage to do it, even if it isn't a exactly courageous act. But people should try all possible solutions before taking their lives. But it is a complicated subject. Edited by Topographic Oceans, Feb 8 2014, 08:04 PM.
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Feb 8 2014, 09:40 PM Post #3 |
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I think that there is always a chance for things to get better. Even if the person is suffering with severe depression and suicidal thoughts, there is always the chance that something can help, even if it is medicine or therapy. Reach out to your friends and family. Anything. To me, life isn't always that great, but death is even worse. Living is better than simply ceasing to exist, and there are things in life that can bring you joy. Sometimes it takes people a while to realize that or find it.
Not really. I mean, people may look back on it and say "I don't see why he did it" or "Wow, he really did have a lot going on, so I kind of understand..." but at the end of the day you can never compare one pain to another. All pain is pain, and that never makes suicide justifiable really.
Of course committing suicide is the wrong thing to do. It can be seen as selfish and (yes) cowardly. It isn't a beautiful thing at all. When someone is pushed to the point where they feel like the only way out is sticking a gun in their mouth, they're always wrong. There's always a way out. I heard somewhere that every person who jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge (I think it was?) and survived said that as they were falling down, they knew that every problem in their lives could be fixed.
Yes, they should have the right, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do.
Yes. I've dealt with plenty of passing thoughts of suicide, but I've only seriously considered it maybe twice. It was due to different things going on in my life at the time, blows to my self-confidence, and anxiety. I've gotten better at dealing with my anxiety recently, and my outlook on life has improved, but I still get these thoughts occasionally. It's definitely a hard thing to deal with, but deep down I know that I have options. My self-confidence has also greatly improved recently. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Feb 8 2014, 09:42 PM.
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| + Steve | Feb 8 2014, 10:50 PM Post #4 |
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Having not-so whole heartedly tried it myself and obviously failed many times I know it's born of weakness and loneliness so I don't find it a respectable decision at all but understand somewhat how people feel at the time but if you have kids or a family that you like and you leave them like that, you are an a*****. If you have people there to help, open up and let them.
I wouldn't say it's ever justifiable unless it's something like a president captured by terrorists and being forced to give them codes to launch nukes, suicide to protect is noble. If someone's whole family was murdered and they themselves were repeatedly attacked by the same people then it would be understandable. Only in extreme cases like these would I class it as an "okay" thing to do with the latter kind of situation the person is going to be so broken that living would only be suffering life anyway. If you're like 15 and kill yourself because your first girlfriend left you then I'll never give a damn because that's pathetic and stupid, ill informed suicide is the worst(and the kind I tried  )
Yes and no. I hate it when people call it "selfish" well of course it's f***ing selfish they want to end their pain, stop calling them that and actually try to help them it's not something you have a high chance of overcoming yourself friends and family are the best way, not some psychologist they don't want to talk to that only makes someone retreat further in to their shell. A person in this state doesn't want to help themselves. It's not a good thing to do but it doesn't mean that you're a bad person, unless the person had some kind of chronic mental illness the family and friends should feel ashamed of themselves for not helping or in some cases even noticing the person was hurting. I say friends as in if someone either has no family or only has friends to relate to because their family are dicks, so no offence to anyone who's lost a friend that way their family failed to help their own flesh and blood so it's on their hands.
It depends, it is your life to take but if you have kids or a similar level of responsibility then you're just a pathetic coward, man up and get help don't ruin your kids lives without even trying to fix yourself. I would consider that definitely in the top 10 worst things to do ever. Being mostly harsh because I've tried to overdose a lot of times and know how weak a person I was probably only here today because I'm so fickle that I just gave up trying due to repeated fails  didn't even try to get help life just got better, not trying is...pathetic is too tame a word really, that times like 100x ought to do.
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| tOMMY pICKLES | Feb 9 2014, 12:31 AM Post #5 |
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I Have a friend who tried to commit suicide but didnt. reason was a girl i think. such a dumb thing to take your own life for. anyways. I have always thought that people who commit suicide are selfish, especially the ones who do it for stupid reasons like a breakup or bullying, those are things that can be fixed and your taking your life and putting your family and friends through that. obviously there are people who go through awful times and feel the need to off themselves but i dont think it should ever be the answer unless you are kidnapped and being raped or something. just my 2 cents anyways. |
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| lunar2 | Feb 9 2014, 12:57 AM Post #6 |
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1. unless you have a mental or physical illness, it's pretty much impossible to justify. your life can always be better, if you put forth the effort. 2. again, barring mental or physical illness, not really. 3. in general, yes. most people who are in a bad situation can improve it, so for them suicide is taking the easy way out. 4. yes, it is always the individual's situation, and therefore the individual's decision. it may be the wrong decision, but it is theirs and theirs alone. 5. I think of suicide several times a day, every day, ever since i was 8. i suffered a pretty bad hit to the head, and ever since then i have been depressed and suicidal. if i so much as see an opportunity to commit suicide, no matter how unlikely to work, i can't help but to dwell on it. now, i'm on medication that helps me resist the thoughts, but it does nothing to help decrease the amount i think of it, or any other symptoms of my severe depression. of course, because my situation is so bad, i have a hard time having sympathy for anyone who is physically and mentally healthy, but i fully understand why people with health problems may want to commit suicide, and i don't blame them. i've tried dozens of times, and only bad luck and a legendary ineptitude has managed to keep me alive this long. i also get really frustrated at those who judge suicidal people, because i know for a fact they wouldn't last one week with my brain. |
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| Tensa Zangetsu | Feb 17 2014, 01:19 PM Post #7 |
Catch me if you can!
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Those who commit suicide for selfish reasons are cowards. Its courageous if its done for others' good, for example giving up your life to save a someone you love or for the sake of humanity. Can't really say if its right or wrong. Depends on one's perspective. I personally feel those who do it for their own selfish reasons deserve punishment. |
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| * Mitas | Feb 17 2014, 01:47 PM Post #8 |
It truly was a Shawshank redemption
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Well, you can punish their dead body, but they'll be dead, so I don't think they'd be aware of any punishment. My personal opinion is that anyone who condemns a suicidal person that strongly just doesn't know what it's like to have reached a point where you genuinely want to end your life. It's easy for people to say "Hey, there's always a way out of whatever bad place you've found yourself in", but don't you think suicidal people know this? They do. They're just sick of being told that all the time yet still finding themselves in that bad place. People aren't suicidal after one bad day, or even a hundred bad days. It's usually years of bad days that lead them to suicide attempts. The path of recovery to a good place by a suicidal person is a long one with no clear end in sight. No-one knows how much longer they'll have to feel s***ty before they start to feel better. Suicide does have an end in sight, so it's the more comforting option. I don't think it's right to call people 'weak' and 'cowardly' for contemplating, or acting upon, suicidal thoughts. That's not to say that I believe it is a good thing or the right option - I don't. But it is not for anyone to judge anyone else's choices when they don't truly know what is happening inside their head. It isn't the people telling them that things will get better that have to live that person's life. It isn't the family or friends that have to live that person's life. It's the person. They didn't choose to be alive, and neither did they choose the problems that were thrust upon them, so for a lot of people suicide is them taking control of something that they don't believe they have control over - their life. However, with all that being said, I would never agree with a suicidal person that they should end their life. I think that anyone who hears somebody say "I want to end my life" should always try to change that person's mind. But do so with a sympathetic, understanding attitude. It's no good saying "GOD YOU'RE SO SELFISH LIFE ISN'T THAT BAD" because they've most likely told themselves that same thing on multiple occasions. I know during my own internal conflict over suicide that I told myself that I was weak for considering it, that I was pathetic for not being strong enough to deal with everything, and do you know what that does? It only makes you feel worse. No-one should tell people that their problems aren't 'that bad' or be made to feel weak for not being able to deal with them. That's the main problem I believe society has when dealing with depressed and suicidal people - there are not enough attempts to understand why people feel the way they are, and why someone has been driven to the point of wanting to end their life. Only that they should be stronger and think of others. A suicidal person HAS to be selfish. And that doesn't mean selfish in terms of committing suicide, it means selfish in terms of making their life worth living, because only when they are once again happy to be alive can they start to make other people's lives worth living. |
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| Tensa Zangetsu | Feb 17 2014, 02:11 PM Post #9 |
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Catch me if you can!
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Lol...I mean if they are caught before committing suicide. Edited by Tensa Zangetsu, Feb 17 2014, 02:12 PM.
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| * Mitas | Feb 17 2014, 02:23 PM Post #10 |
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It truly was a Shawshank redemption
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So you think people who have attempted suicide should be punished? That's one of the most horrible things I've ever heard. People who've attempted suicide shouldn't be punished. They should be helped. |
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"Then you've got the chance to do better next time." "Next time?" "Course. Doing better next time. That's what life is." | |
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| Tensa Zangetsu | Feb 17 2014, 02:34 PM Post #11 |
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Catch me if you can!
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Horrible thing? In my country attempted suicide is a crime which is punishable by imprisonment upto 1 year. And I support the law because I see it like murder. You can even argue that murderers should be helped by teaching them good morals instead of locking them up in prison. Edited by Tensa Zangetsu, Feb 17 2014, 02:37 PM.
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| * Mitas | Feb 17 2014, 02:38 PM Post #12 |
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It truly was a Shawshank redemption
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How can suicide be a crime? You can't imprison a dead body. And yes, it's a horrible thing. Just because it's a law, doesn't make it any less horrible. Being gay is a crime in some countries, but punishing someone for being gay is a horrible thing. If you sincerely believe that people who attempt suicide should be punished, then I just don't really know how to react to that. You might as well start punishing people for being depressed. |
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"Then you've got the chance to do better next time." "Next time?" "Course. Doing better next time. That's what life is." | |
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| Tensa Zangetsu | Feb 17 2014, 02:56 PM Post #13 |
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Catch me if you can!
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Suicide is a crime in many countries in the world: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation Well, I can't say if its right or wrong but different countries have different laws. You can't simply say one is right and the other is inhumane. It all depends on your perspective. For example, in some Arab countries its wrong to even look at a woman. In South Asia, its ok to look but touching a woman is considered immodest. In some western countries, its modest to touch and shake hands with a woman. In other western countries, even kissing the woman on the lips is considered modest....so in the end who's right? You can't simply say one country is right and the other is wrong just because its laws agree with your perspective. Edited by Tensa Zangetsu, Feb 17 2014, 02:57 PM.
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| * Mitas | Feb 17 2014, 03:11 PM Post #14 |
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It truly was a Shawshank redemption
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You want to know which one's right? The one that treats women as equals to men. And of course you can say that a certain law a country enforces is wrong. Any law that punishes a person because of their sexuality is wrong. Any law that oppresses a certain people, be it because of their sexuality, skin colour, gender, age etc is wrong. Plain and simple. Everyone is equal. The above paragraph is fact. The following is my opinion: suicide should not be a crime. People who have survived a suicide attempt are in an extremely vulnerable place. Punishing them will only make them wish they had succeeded, or try again the first chance they get. You should be helping people when they are at their lowest, not forcing them lower. And if I'm being completely honest, if you believe that people who attempt suicide should be punished, then you are entitled to your opinion, but I don't particularly want to carry on talking to you. So this is my last post in this topic. |
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Feb 17 2014, 10:33 PM Post #15 |
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I'm going to respond to multiple points here for the heck of it.
It's true that no person can truly feel what another feels, so lumping all forms of depression and suicide together and calling it cowardly is wrong. People who commit suicide have, like you said, usually endured a great deal of pain for quite a long time, and it never seems to get better. Some people simply have it a lot worse than others, and they have to deal with that. Sometimes they can't deal with the amount of pain they're enduring, so they resort to methods that "normal" people may find extreme.
Good way of putting it. Every circumstance is different, and each person's response to that circumstance is different. I have mixed feelings of depression and suicide, but that's mostly because I have mixed feelings about people in general. A lot of people "cry wolf," so to speak, when it comes to depression and suicide nowadays, and I think that perhaps that is why people think of it as a cowardly or selfish thing to do. Just a possible thesis, of course. However, I completely agree with what you're saying here.
But it's nothing like murder. How is it anything like murder? Please explain. Aside from the obvious taking of a life, of course, but that isn't always called "murder." Take manslaughter, for example. Or abortion (unless you believe that is murder, in which case you can ignore that example). I have nothing else to say about the whole "suicide is punishable" thing because Mitas gave a great response already. Just because something is a law doesn't make it right. Common sense should tell you that, at least. |
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