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| + Pelador | Feb 22 2014, 01:35 PM Post #106 |
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That doesn't even make sense. |
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| Tensa Zangetsu | Feb 22 2014, 02:35 PM Post #107 |
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| + Pelador | Feb 22 2014, 03:12 PM Post #108 |
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Because I don't understand what you mean. |
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| Tensa Zangetsu | Feb 22 2014, 03:22 PM Post #109 |
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I'm saying its like this- A father has two children, and he certainly knows the characteristics and intentions of each of them, and he realises that the first child will buy useful things and the latter will buy junk stuff. However he gave both the some gift or money to test them, to be just and fair. Edited by Tensa Zangetsu, Feb 22 2014, 03:23 PM.
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| + Pelador | Feb 22 2014, 03:40 PM Post #110 |
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That's not testing them, that's just wasting money. He knows one will waste it but gives it to him anyway. You only test when you don't know the outcome. That's the whole point of testing. To see how things turn out. |
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| Tensa Zangetsu | Feb 22 2014, 04:40 PM Post #111 |
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No, that's not the point. He is testing them because he wants to expose their reality by showing them how they spent their money. Similarily, a human being is tested so that he may come to know the reality of himself and others. God wants to reward the righteous and punish the criminals, hence why we humans are undergoing this test of life. Edited by Tensa Zangetsu, Feb 22 2014, 04:42 PM.
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Feb 22 2014, 04:53 PM Post #112 |
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Free will is an illusion. As I already mentioned in a previous post, it's a gangster complex. "Give me all your money or I'll blow your head off", or in this case it would be "Put all unwarranted faith in me or suffer eternally in Hell." And the main issue that I have is that religion or faith in god sets everything up as if it's in black and white, and the world doesn't exist like that. There are plenty of people in this world who are good-hearted through and through who don't believe in God and have stated that they don't believe that God exists. Yet in God's eyes, those people are just as condemnable as mass murderers. That doesn't make a lick of sense, and we've come a long way since 2000 years ago to realize the world is not black and white. Things aren't simple, and morality is subjective over time and cultures. How does God accommodate for the change? Does he expect us to remain in an infantile state for the rest of time and not be curious to the terms of his existence? Does he not expect us to grow? If you want to look at it in the context of religion, Satan is an enabler of knowledge, not necessarily an enabler of evil. Satan-like characters are like this all over the world. For example, in Ancient Greece, you had Prometheus who gave fire to humans, and was punished by Zeus for it. There's a few other religions in which one of the divine beings will give the humans some type of power, and the said being is usually punished for it by the other divine beings. Satan was the one to convince Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge, while God wanted us to stay inside the Garden of Eden and remain eternally ignorant to the workings of the world. If God wants to consider that as an "evil act", that means that God considers the quest for knowledge as evil, and that's the only logical conclusion. He also punishes Eve for wanting to know more. Also if you want to get technical, both Prometheus and Lucifer are light related. Prometheus gave humans fire, while the translation of "Lucifer" is "Light Bringer." Both of which sound suspiciously similar. God is against you being knowledgeable because it makes him looks smaller. And given the discoveries in science that have been made over the past several hundred years, knowledge really does make him look smaller. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Feb 22 2014, 05:39 PM.
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| + Pelador | Feb 22 2014, 05:53 PM Post #113 |
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And whenever God gets called out such as when he told Abraham to kill Issac, he just says he was "testing" them. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Feb 22 2014, 07:46 PM Post #114 |
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Same with Job. His whole family was killed by Satan in a bet between God and Satan (to test Job's faith toward God), and Job himself was plagued with disease. The only rule that God had for Satan was that he couldn't kill Job. But my question is, if God can just simply say that people's lives can be taken in order to prove faith in him, then the lives of those people who are collateral damage mean nothing to God, correct? If you honestly look at the Bible, it's a mass delusion that God values human life, and values all humans equally. Every person is not loved equally according to the Abrahamic version of God (which is also the Christian God) and innocent people's lives can intermittently be used as tools in order to test another person's faith in God. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Feb 22 2014, 08:54 PM.
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| Tensa Zangetsu | Feb 23 2014, 08:17 PM Post #115 |
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I'm not saying the bible is true, but God will obviously take every persons life in someway or the other (either through accident, disease, aging or some other way pre-destined by God himself). So why not through a test? This doesn't mean God doesn't value human life, but he has the right to take our life since he's the one who gave it to us in the first place. Edited by Tensa Zangetsu, Feb 23 2014, 08:19 PM.
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| + Pelador | Feb 23 2014, 08:42 PM Post #116 |
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Then that negates the idea of free will. You can't have both destiny and free will. It's one or the other. |
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| Tensa Zangetsu | Feb 23 2014, 10:11 PM Post #117 |
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The human's free will is a part of the destiny. God knows how we're going to act and how we're going to die (like the example I gave above). |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Feb 23 2014, 10:26 PM Post #118 |
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Aging is a natural process, and I highly doubt it has much to do with a test from God. It doesn't make sense because everything eventually decays over time, even stuff that's not considered "alive". Is God testing the sun? Because we know that will "die" eventually as well. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Feb 23 2014, 10:27 PM.
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| Tensa Zangetsu | Feb 23 2014, 10:34 PM Post #119 |
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Maybe in the afterlife we'll be immortals, so yes aging could be a test so that we may learn to face difficulties as we grow older and weaker. Everything in this universe is not permanent. Probably because its only a temporary creation for a certain purpose which we don;t know about. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Feb 23 2014, 10:47 PM Post #120 |
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But what about a kid who dies in a car crash when he's 15 years old? If he wasn't permitted by God to grow old and learn to overcome obstacles, than how is that fair to him when compared to a man who goes through a rough patch in his late 20s, repents in his late 30s, divorces his wife when he's 50, and goes through another rough patch before crying out for God's help when he's 75 and on his death bed? And you're assuming a purpose to everything in the Universe by saying it's a "temporary creation for certain purpose which we don't know about." How can you know that? The traditions that we use to recognize God's intent in the Universe is Heaven, Earth, and Hell, and it glorifies humans as the pinnacle of god's creation. There is no stars and cosmos, and it's never mentioned in even slight detail in any known canon. So how can a Neutron star from Andromeda Galaxy (which is the nearest galaxy to us) have anything to do with what we understand is the Universe as according to our traditional understanding of God, and us as humans because we exist in this realm? The two are completely separate, and in no way related to Heaven, Earth, or Hell at all. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Feb 23 2014, 11:01 PM.
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