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Why Religion? Why Not Unicorns?
Tweet Topic Started: Feb 4 2014, 03:01 AM (5,467 Views)
+ Pelador	Feb 20 2014, 07:56 PM Post #76
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	It could have also grown from a tiny particle. Perhaps a similar process to cell division with our own lifeforms? Life on Earth atarted off as single celled organisms. Perhaps God did too?
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Zenet	Feb 20 2014, 08:07 PM Post #77
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	Tensa Zangetsu Feb 20 2014, 11:40 AM Zenet Feb 19 2014, 09:32 PM Tensa Zangetsu Feb 19 2014, 11:41 AM Zenet Feb 18 2014, 06:36 PM The known universe is about thirteen and a half billion light years out, and at the level of subatomic particles in. This is what we can see and understand using current instruments and/or math. The known universe may have a beginning and an end, but the infinite universe does not, cannot. You can never make nothing out of something; it just moves. There should be something that caused the beginning. And this cause should have another cause that caused it to happen. The chain goes on and on, until you reach a cause that has no beginning. This is exactly the Creator. And the same goes for the origin of life. Life can't simply come out of non living things. Someone should have created it Also God would need a cause. Our understanding of cause and effect is not complete. Its like this it is impossible to go faster than the speed of light no matter what but our common sense says in the non quantum world (the larger scale of the world) says if you were standing on a train going at the speed of light and you walked from one end of the train to the other, then wouldn't you be going faster than the speed of light relative to the ground It may seem like should happen that way. The problem with quantum physics is that it doesn't always work the way that it seems like it should be. There has to be something breaking the rules of science. Or we don't understand everything so to us it seems to break the rules like my speed of light example but in reality it doesn't break the rules. The rules of science just extend beyond are current knowledge.



Daemon Keido	Feb 20 2014, 08:16 PM Post #78
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Pelador Feb 20 2014, 07:56 PM It could have also grown from a tiny particle. Perhaps a similar process to cell division with our own lifeforms? Life on Earth atarted off as single celled organisms. Perhaps God did too? Exactly. Suppose the Omniscience and Omnipresence that God has is just a matter of course from evolution. It isn't like we can say that kind of evolution is impossible. Give a species enough time and maybe it could evolve into becoming a God, right? Of course that could bring in the question if how long it would take for that evolution to occur.
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+ Pelador	Feb 20 2014, 08:25 PM Post #79
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	You're making the mistake of assuming that time = superior evolutionary forms. Many Dinosaurs were around way longer than we have been and they were dum as s***. Evolution doesn't mean a species gets better, just more adapted.
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Daemon Keido	Feb 20 2014, 08:35 PM Post #80
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Time doesn't have a causitive effect on evolution, true. But it does have a correlation to evolution. We can't fathom what would make a species evolve to godhood as a form of adapatability but that isn't to say it couldn't happen, right?
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+ Pelador	Feb 20 2014, 08:41 PM Post #81
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Possibly yeah. Perhaps if consciousness could evolve to exist outside of a conventional body then something like that may be plausible?
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Daemon Keido	Feb 20 2014, 08:47 PM Post #82
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	We would need that at the very least likely.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Feb 20 2014, 09:04 PM Post #83
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Pookie Feb 20 2014, 02:35 AM @Ketchup- I haven't imposed my will on anyone about believing in God. However, I feel like when it comes to me explaining why I believe, it's a lost cause. If you don't believe, that's fine you're okay to do that. I don't question you about it. I don't make you write a detailed essay as to why you don't believe. What I don't understand is why some atheists push at religious people to prove something that they themselves cannot prove either. You want to know the answers to questions that no one knows with 100 percent certainty. Throwing the bible aside for argument, most books are man written too. Where did you get your facts from? If you're getting your big bang theory facts from books, isn't that the same? Unless you have seen it for yourself that God does not exist because you died or you were at the Big Bang when it happened, then your facts are as biased and useless as mine are as to explaining why God exists. I believe because of a feeling, and it makes me feel good. If you disagree with that, then you are in your every right to do so. However, making me go into a detailed response as to why I feel that way or to show you something that you can't show me, is unfair. The scientific belief of the Big Bang is formed from tangible and/or observable evidence that has had consistent results through repeated experimentation or observation. The books are simply compilations or records of the results of these experiments. Belief in God is based on faith alone because there's no evidence to support it other than the lack of evidence for a scientific explanation. This is the difference between a science book and the Bible. And the "imposing of will" comment wasn't saying that religious folk impose will upon non-religious folk. It was saying that religious people in general are imposing their will on their God, of whom isn't proven to even exist in the first place. You can't say that God condones X behavior, because if he or she is honestly supernatural, you can't possibly know what his or her will is without evidence. For example, I can say right this moment that an Angel is standing in my living room and says that I'm supposed to strap a bunch of carrots to my head and walk down main street, promoting the "carrot on the head" movement because it's God's Will. My claim that I just made right this second is completely false, but can be proven as the will of God in the same way that Not Murdering or Not Committing Adultery can. It's not a universally observable event, and is only reported on this Forum right now. And science can't be used to disprove something because disproving the existence of something isn't the purpose of science. However, the general conclusion of something's non-existence can be form from the utter lack of evidence. I have no evidence that Leprechauns exist, but I also can't disprove their existence either, and will never be able to. However, the general consensus is that they don't exist.
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+ Pelador	Feb 20 2014, 09:15 PM Post #84
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	No they do, I've seen one.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Feb 20 2014, 11:03 PM Post #85
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	I don't mean to pick on you, Pookie, but yours was the only comment I felt the desire to reply to. Quote: No, there isn't any circumstance that would make me start to question my faith because I have seen suffering and poverty firsthand. I go to inner cities all the time around here. I studied Genocide in its entirety when I was in University. I saw plenty of pictures and videos of death to know what is going on in the world. They were horrible to watch. However, that wasn't caused by God. If you think about the Khmer Rogue and the Cambodian Genocide, that was caused by greed and the belief that one race is superior to another. The reason I have my faith is because I believe that suffering is caused by humanity and not by God. God gave us free will. With that said, I see life as a test of character. I thought the same when I was a Christian - that nothing would ever make me lose my faith. I thought that atheists and other religious groups were strange and couldn't sympathize with them at all. I'm not sure what exactly triggered my change in beliefs, but I do know that it was a slow process. When I went to college, I started watching Youtube videos about religion, science, and debates, and I was intrigued. I also did a lot of research on the subject. That along with what I was going through in my life at the time made me decide that I no longer believed in Christianity and that it wasn't right for me anymore. Looking back on it now, I think I'm a much better person today than I was before. I may have gone through some phases and done things I'm not proud of, but I'm much more open-minded and knowledgeable than I was back then. I'm not as quick to judge, I can sympathize with more groups of people, and I'm more comfortable with who I am. A few years ago, though, I would have never thought I would be who I am today. The thought of me now would have probably disgusted the old me, which is weird to think about. On the topic of free will, this is my reasoning behind that: 1. God knows everything, right? 2. Since he does know everything (it's clearly stated in the bible, and he is an omniscient being), he therefore knows everything about us, our future, and where we will be in the end. 3. This means that no matter what we do, we can never contradict what he already knows will happen. So while we may appear to have free will in our actions, God already knows whether we will follow him or go against him. He knows everything. Therefore, by looking at it in this light, does free will truly exist? Obviously it does, and I know that it does. I'm just pointing out some fallacies in regards to the "free will" debate. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Feb 20 2014, 11:04 PM.



Pookie	Feb 21 2014, 03:33 AM Post #86
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	@Ketchupis- I agree that there are common occurrences in the Universe that allow scientists to draw patterns as to how we came to be. I am not against the Big Bang Theory at all. What I am against is the notion that it was started just because...no reason whatsoever. I mean yes you can go on and on about how it happened, but why? Do you think humans just magically evolved to be the only animals on the planet that could consciously reason? The theory of Evolution and Natural Selection makes sense, yet it doesn't give me the whole spectrum. It doesn't tell me why humans are this way. Until someone can tell me why, then I have no reason to change my thoughts. I have no reason to change my faith. @Obsessive- It didn't work out for you the belief of Christianity. There are passages in the bible that state that there will be times in one life where they doubt or question God's existence. It's normal. If you like the path you took, then that's good for you. I am glad that worked out for you. As for me, I like my path. I like that I have stayed with my faith. It makes me feel whole. I've gone through some tough times in my lifetime. I had major depression at one point that left me nearly 20 pounds underweight and then gained 60 lbs because of medicine, yet I still held onto the notion that I'd be okay because I prayed every night. I mean fast forward a couple years later and that faith kept me strong. I am in good shape, I graduated Uni, I lost weight, and I got off anti depressants which is no easy thing to do. Therefore, while you may have felt better about your decision, I feel great about mine. This is why I don't think I'll ever question my faith. @Free Will Comment-God does know everything, but we humans don't. We live our lives with decisions everyday. God may know what happens to your future, yet God isn't the one making those decisions that you make every day. This is what free will is. You're living in the present. What you decide is on you so I don't get your argument about the "free will" portion.



+ Pelador	Feb 21 2014, 03:57 AM Post #87
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	The big bang isn't even the only theory about how the universe began. A group of theoretical physicists suppose the birth of the universe could have happened after a four-dimensional star collapsed into a black hole and ejected debris. I was reading about their theory and it kind of went over my head I'm not big into the idea of the big bang either. Usually ideas that old have a lot of flaws in them. It's probably something way different that happened. Something that better explains how the universe has a uniform temperature and how it's expansion is actually speeding up. Or is it slowing down? I forgot exactly. Either way it's still expanding and some scientists are predicting a big rip. Which is a weird thought.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Feb 21 2014, 04:30 AM Post #88
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	I don't see why humans constantly need a reason for everything. And when they can't find a reason for something, they say it's... God? Doesn't make much sense to me.



* Ketchup Revenge	Feb 21 2014, 04:49 AM Post #89
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Pookie Feb 21 2014, 03:33 AM @Ketchupis- I agree that there are common occurrences in the Universe that allow scientists to draw patterns as to how we came to be. I am not against the Big Bang Theory at all. What I am against is the notion that it was started just because...no reason whatsoever. I mean yes you can go on and on about how it happened, but why? Do you think humans just magically evolved to be the only animals on the planet that could consciously reason? The theory of Evolution and Natural Selection makes sense, yet it doesn't give me the whole spectrum. It doesn't tell me why humans are this way. Until someone can tell me why, then I have no reason to change my thoughts. I have no reason to change my faith. This is simply my opinion, but the only safe way too look at the world is to not assume a certainty first, but to assume that we know nothing. That's the issue I have with the belief in God. The belief of the existence of a God is the belief in a certainty (faith), therefore if you start from that default position of there being a god, you automatically assume a certainty without evidence. The only safe way to look at the world is to assume that there is no certainty. There is virtually an infinite amount of possibilities in the Universe, and it doesn't make sense to me how some people simply can't accept that some conditions in this vast universe could (just once) be perfect for intelligent life to develop and exist like it does today; and it could develop through non-supernatural means. We may never know how the universe came into existence, but that doesn't mean that we simply assume "God did it" and stop looking. Pookie @Free Will Comment-God does know everything, but we humans don't. We live our lives with decisions everyday. God may know what happens to your future, yet God isn't the one making those decisions that you make every day. This is what free will is. You're living in the present. What you decide is on you so I don't get your argument about the "free will" portion. There is no "free will" if you're faced with two simple choices: believing in something completely based in lack of evidence, or spending eternity in torture. That's like a gangster putting a gun to your head and telling them to give them your life savings or having a bullet put through your skull. The notion of you having a "choice" is an illusion, and it's the same thing in religion. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Feb 21 2014, 04:54 AM.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Feb 21 2014, 05:45 AM Post #90
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Basically what Ketchup said. There is no "free will" in regards to Christianity. Who in their right mind would choose to follow the path to hell? God only gives us one choice, and that is to follow him.



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