ObsessiveFanGirl

 

I'm not going to claim that there is no deity because I'm not educated enough on the matter to discount the possibility completely.

Ketchupis Ultionis

Feb 19 2014, 04:52 PM

The problem with the morality argument is that it's a concept invented by man, which also means that it's subjective to the workings and customs of society, and changes with time and culture.

Back in Biblical times for example, it was customary to beat children who exhibited unruly behavior. Obviously now, that's not the case, but both concepts were considered "good" behavior in their respective times and/or culture.

So with that being said, what's considered the good behavior in the eyes of a God? You can't possibly know.

And you can't make an accurate assumption to what his will would be because you were born in this time, therefore you are automatically bias.

ObsessiveFanGirl

 

I'm not going to claim that there is no deity because I'm not educated enough on the matter to discount the possibility completely.

It's completely foolish to doubt any possibility of anything. Saying that there is a no God is just as arrogant and faithful as claiming that there is one.
Any smart atheist is not a "cut and dry" atheist, and does accept the possibility, however remote it may be. It's also foolish for a theist to believe that they know the will of an omniscient being. All (smart) atheists accept the possibility of them being wrong, but there's an even more unlikely possibility that human scripture and written concept of a god is right.

I generally don't believe in god, but just for sake of argument at this moment, I'm going to claim that one does exist. Would you honestly believe that God cares what you eat on Fridays?

I simply argue for evidence, but it's important to keep an open mind at the same time.

Pookie

Feb 19 2014, 06:02 PM

I know this is irrelevant, but I saw an episode of wife swap. It's a show where two wives switch families for two weeks. In this episode, you have an Athiest Family and a Christian Family. I really loved this episode because it showed how two different communities and beliefs could come together as one.

You may be in for a bumpy ride if you decide to watch it. I know I was. There were moments where I was like "wtf? why does that even matter?"

Anyway, here you go.

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First, I want to say that the title of this topic is offensive because religion is serious business to those who believe in God including myself. I do like Unicorns, but I mean seriously? If you want to have a serious debate about something, then at least make the topic title less offensive.

Tensa Zangetsu

Feb 19 2014, 11:41 AM

Zenet

Feb 18 2014, 06:36 PM

The known universe is about thirteen and a half billion light years out, and at the level of subatomic particles in. This is what we can see and understand using current instruments and/or math. The known universe may have a beginning and an end, but the infinite universe does not, cannot. You can never make nothing out of something; it just moves.

There should be something that caused the beginning. And this cause should have another cause that caused it to happen.

The chain goes on and on, until you reach a cause that has no beginning. This is exactly the Creator.

And the same goes for the origin of life. Life can't simply come out of non living things. Someone should have created it

Messiah

Feb 19 2014, 05:56 PM

Ketchupis Ultionis

Feb 19 2014, 04:52 PM

The problem with the morality argument is that it's a concept invented by man, which also means that it's subjective to the workings and customs of society, and changes with time and culture.

Back in Biblical times for example, it was customary to beat children who exhibited unruly behavior. Obviously now, that's not the case, but both concepts were considered "good" behavior in their respective times and/or culture.

So with that being said, what's considered the good behavior in the eyes of a God? You can't possibly know.

And you can't make an accurate assumption to what his will would be because you were born in this time, therefore you are automatically bias.

ObsessiveFanGirl

 

I'm not going to claim that there is no deity because I'm not educated enough on the matter to discount the possibility completely.

It's completely foolish to doubt any possibility of anything. Saying that there is a no God is just as arrogant and faithful as claiming that there is one.
Any smart atheist is not a "cut and dry" atheist, and does accept the possibility, however remote it may be. It's also foolish for a theist to believe that they know the will of an omniscient being. All (smart) atheists accept the possibility of them being wrong, but there's an even more unlikely possibility that human scripture and written concept of a god is right.

I generally don't believe in god, but just for sake of argument at this moment, I'm going to claim that one does exist. Would you honestly believe that God cares what you eat on Fridays?

I simply argue for evidence, but it's important to keep an open mind at the same time.

We are told that God wants us to live like one of his beloved, to learn to live in the way and word of Christ. Yes, if you were to go into depth, most things would be absurd and impossible. But in reality, all any of Christianity is asking you is to live a better moral life style. Helping people out without anything in return, being honest, admitting wrongs when you do them. Trying to live a life style that is faithful to him.

I am almost done my bible reading program that I am doing in my Brotherhood right now. There are many parts of the Old Testament I really don't agree with. His wrath, punishment and stuff like what happened with Sodom and stuff. But, I don't let that cloud my faith. There are alot of great spiritual and moral laws we can take out of the Bible and use for everyday good. So if I take those and practice other than preach them, I can only satisfy God.

We always learn that God is always forgiving, some people get grown up where they get taught about "hellfire" and you will burn for your sins. You will not burn for your sins, you will not get any concequence at all if you stay honest and loving to him.

But I don't want to get too wrapped up in praising my God. But to discuss other peoples faith. Because some different religions and denominations just amaze me to the fullest. But as said before, whatever gives you self happiness to your last day, is what matters.

Pelador

Feb 19 2014, 11:35 PM

Devoting your entire life to a belief only based on some feelings that you have seems like a problematic idea. Humans are flawed. Everyone knows that. So it makes sense that their feelings will be flawed too. It's very possible that what they think they are feeling as God's presence is either placebo or some perfectly explainable bodily process happening to them. Similar to how I get goosebumps when I listen to certain pieces of music. It's probably not God giving me goosebumps. it's just the parts of my brain that control pleasure and bodily chemicals.

Pelador

Feb 19 2014, 11:35 PM

Devoting your entire life to a belief only based on some feelings that you have seems like a problematic idea. Humans are flawed. Everyone knows that. So it makes sense that their feelings will be flawed too. It's very possible that what they think they are feeling as God's presence is either placebo or some perfectly explainable bodily process happening to them. Similar to how I get goosebumps when I listen to certain pieces of music. It's probably not God giving me goosebumps. it's just the parts of my brain that control pleasure and bodily chemicals.

ObsessiveFanGirl

Feb 19 2014, 07:16 PM

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First, I want to say that the title of this topic is offensive because religion is serious business to those who believe in God including myself. I do like Unicorns, but I mean seriously? If you want to have a serious debate about something, then at least make the topic title less offensive.

I already talked about that on page 1, I think. Needed a title, didn't mean for it to be offensive. Titles are meant to catch people's attention.

Pookie

Feb 20 2014, 02:35 AM

ObsessiveFanGirl

Feb 19 2014, 07:16 PM

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First, I want to say that the title of this topic is offensive because religion is serious business to those who believe in God including myself. I do like Unicorns, but I mean seriously? If you want to have a serious debate about something, then at least make the topic title less offensive.

I already talked about that on page 1, I think. Needed a title, didn't mean for it to be offensive. Titles are meant to catch people's attention.

Ya, sorry about that. I skimmed through most of page one and didn't see that you already commented on it. I needed to make that clear though because that is how I was feeling at the time that I wrote my essay for this topic.

@Ketchup- I haven't imposed my will on anyone about believing in God. However, I feel like when it comes to me explaining why I believe, it's a lost cause. If you don't believe, that's fine you're okay to do that. I don't question you about it. I don't make you write a detailed essay as to why you don't believe.

What I don't understand is why some atheists push at religious people to prove something that they themselves cannot prove either. You want to know the answers to questions that no one knows with 100 percent certainty. Throwing the bible aside for argument, most books are man written too. Where did you get your facts from? If you're getting your big bang theory facts from books, isn't that the same? Unless you have seen it for yourself that God does not exist because you died or you were at the Big Bang when it happened, then your facts are as biased and useless as mine are as to explaining why God exists.

I believe because of a feeling, and it makes me feel good. If you disagree with that, then you are in your every right to do so. However, making me go into a detailed response as to why I feel that way or to show you something that you can't show me, is unfair.