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| * Mitas | Feb 17 2014, 02:19 PM Post #16 |
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Firstly, why it happened, and what caused it to happen, are two completely different things. There has to be a how, there doesn't have to be a why. I'm not too educated about the Big Bang theory, but they definitely have a theory for how it happened. I'm sure a simple google search would be able to tell you how. My counter to "the universe couldn't have simply come into existence from nothing" would be this: if that's the case, why do you accept that God came into existence from nothing? Going with your train of thought, what created God? Religious people always use the 'what came before the Big Bang theory?' argument, but are more than happy to accept that God came from nothing.
I mean, Hitler is dead. He can't be caught today. But going by your example, you are completely right. A person responsible for 11 million deaths, probably more (that's right, Hitler didn't just kill Jews, a fact people seem to forget) can never be brought to justice for every crime he committed (especially considering he killed himself before any justice could be taken), but that's just the way of the world. Some atrocities can never be made up for. It's a depressing notion, so I can understand if people need to believe in judgement after death to make it an easier notion to digest. Edit: In future please refrain from double-posting. And to answer your point, if someone needs the existence of God to tell them that stealing, killing and ra ping etc are wrong, then I really do pity them. Edited by Mitas, Feb 17 2014, 02:22 PM.
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| Tensa Zangetsu | Feb 17 2014, 02:46 PM Post #17 |
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Sometimes people question themselves as to why something happens. That's the nature of man. And this is what leads many to God because they think God knows the answer to why he created the universe. In the bible God says "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End". If we go by this, God has no creator. He has always existed. Though I don't consider the bible to be the word of God or believe in it completely due to several contradictions, I still find this verse to be quite a good definition of what God is. God is a supernatural being. His existence is beyond our understanding and doesn't have to follow the laws of science. The universe is not. There has to be something that created it. Hence God not having a creator is more logical than the universe not having a creator. |
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| * Mitas | Feb 17 2014, 02:50 PM Post #18 |
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You've literally just proved my point. |
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| Tensa Zangetsu | Feb 17 2014, 03:00 PM Post #19 |
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^Because God is something supernatural, beyond our understanding, and the laws of science and common sense don't apply to Him. The universe is a different case. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Feb 17 2014, 10:34 PM Post #20 |
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
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The one thing that I find wrong with that argument is if the laws of our realm don't apply to him, than how can we assume that he is a "He", and even if there is a "Him" to begin with? If you believe in "God", than you'd realize that God gave us five means of gathering information of the world around us. We can't physically perceive the existence of something that isn't obvious to one of those senses, or all of them simultaneously. Even a cartoonist can make a cartoon know he exists. I don't understand why an all powerful benevolent God would choose not to. This either means that he's not all-powerful, isn't benevolent, or simply doesn't exist. I either opt for a combination of the first two, or accept the third as a likely answer. |
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Feb 17 2014, 10:38 PM Post #21 |
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You can say the same for any god, deity, queen of the universe, whatever supernatural being you believe in. I'm not going to claim that there is no deity because I'm not educated enough on the matter to discount the possibility completely. There could very well be a "god" or "omniscient being" in existence. I do, however, firmly believe that this god is in no way present in our lives, nor does he/she interfere with them. I wonder why Christians/Muslims/Hindus/whatever choose to whole-heartedly believe in whatever religion it is that they believe in when there are hundreds of religions out there, all of which are contradicted by science and by each other. |
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| Topographic Oceans | Feb 17 2014, 10:57 PM Post #22 |
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Slightly off-topic, but since the subject was brought up, i would like to give my opinion. Saying that without God there's no morality is a logical fallacy. My morality is not exactly the morality of the other guy. Moral is dictated by ethic, and ethic varies from time to time, from place to place. There's nobody to say what's actually moral and what isn't, and many of christianity's standarts of moral are outdated by today's standarts. Who nows if our standarts of moral will be the same 500 years from now? |
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| * Yu Narukami | Feb 17 2014, 11:51 PM Post #23 |
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Eh, however I look at it, it just seems like God's being shoehorned in unnecessarily. The laws of physics and, in fact, any sort of 'rule' or law that exists in the Universe is contained within that Universe. Therefore, in the period 'before' the Universe, all those laws and rules wouldn't apply, correct? If so, then the idea of 'cause and effect' don't really hold any ground. Essentially, there could be an effect without a cause. The Universe could easily 'pop' into existence under those circumstances without causing any contradictions. The only reason we think that there has to be some sort of cause of the Universe is because everything we see or know has a cause, and that's because everything inside the Universe is governed by those principles. Without the Universe, you don't have the principles. Without the principles, anything can happen without it being necessary for there to be a cause. Well, that's just my personal, unprofessional opinion on the matter anyway. Edited by Yu Narukami, Feb 17 2014, 11:51 PM.
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| + Pelador | Feb 18 2014, 12:03 AM Post #24 |
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That's exactly how I think the universe happened. There had to be a point where there weren't any rules yet. Therefore literally anything was possible. At least until something occured which forced rules into place. Something probably popped out of nowhere and created gravity. A graviton particle perhaps? Or maybe some other important law of physics? It's very hard to say. |
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| Mihawk | Feb 18 2014, 12:42 AM Post #25 |
 
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Completely side stepping the valid points above, I remember reading in multiple places/studies that non-religious denominations have lower education rates in the US specifically. Not trying to prove any specific point since I understand this could be argued against easily; just making an observation. |
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Feb 18 2014, 12:43 AM Post #26 |
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I would rather follow a religion like Christianity, than to fall in the hands of the Occult and make myself mentally sick. |
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| Daemon Keido | Feb 18 2014, 12:46 AM Post #27 |
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You do realise it is only the Occult from a Christian perspective, right? Otherwise the objective phrase is paganism. |
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Feb 18 2014, 12:53 AM Post #28 |
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Very smart , lad we have here. But I am a strong Christian. I am born-again and even was Christian when I was young, but I got re-batised just because I had a calling from God to allow people to know that my only path in life is in his love. The Father,Son and Holy spirit lead my life everyday and I read the bible daily. I write devotionals daily, attend church twice weekly. I have no problem with non-Christian people, but my hearts go out to them. Following the word, if all of us did , we could live a much and I mean much healthier life and world. |
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| Daemon Keido | Feb 18 2014, 01:05 AM Post #29 |
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I can resoect your path to faith so long as you respect mine. I followed Christianity as was taught me, which was less a set of absolutes and more a guideline. However, my family openly gave the children the option to create our belief as we desired. Faith cannot be forced and it be legitimate at the same time. Personally I am polytheistic, believing in something akin to the old pantheons on the ancient world. It fits my belief better. Frankly, I have no problem with anyone who believes different. Even Atheists. While they may not believe in a higher being, they do believe themselves correct for not believing in one. And while it may be differing, it is still valid. So let me wrap this up as politely as I can: you are allowed to be overtly Christian as befits your faith, but please attempt to limit any comment that could be seen as a slight against another's faith. It doesn't aid in your arguement at all and can instead be a lightning rod for sympathetic comments in turn. And that derails these debates too much. |
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| MrTsoi | Feb 18 2014, 01:13 AM Post #30 |
What? You wannah peace of me?
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The only reason I could think of as to why I would follow my faith is because it was dictated upon me as a child, I was raised with my faith and growing up in a society where my faith had been the minority deemed it kind of difficult however there were times were I have doubted my faith in several occasions. I'm not very religious and religion has not really left a dent in my life and would I be any different if I didn't follow my faith? I doubt it . Also the only reason I wouldn't follow any other religion is either because I personally have not been influenced strongly enough or I'm just ignorant when it comes to other religions. I guess I'm to used to catching fish with my bare hands rather than using a Fishing rodd if that makes sence.. Even though the belief of God doesn't revolve around my head every so often I still feel that I should carry on in following my religion, because within my relgion lies my culture and I musn't forget my culture and background. I guess that's why I follow my religion in the end, it's what really keeps my family intact and pristine. |
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