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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 26 2014, 03:09 AM (1,877 Views) | |
| + Solid Snake | Jan 26 2014, 03:09 AM Post #1 |
滅Are you frightened?
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Which do you think has the edge and would win? |
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| + supersaqer | Jan 26 2014, 07:59 AM Post #2 |
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Juubi ceases from existence. It is just a simple beast, and once Yama touches it, it will get destroyed. |
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| + Solid Snake | Jan 26 2014, 08:03 AM Post #3 |
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The Shinju can use some form of yin/yang jutsu to shield itself or is that just with the Jinchuriki? Either way I see that technique able to deal with Yama's Bankai imo. |
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| + Steve | Jan 26 2014, 12:36 PM Post #4 |
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The Shinju should win if it's not being controlled and can use it's own intelligence. Picture doesn't spoil much Green circle is the crater made by the 8 Tails spinning round and destroying that whole forest and the surrounding area. Red rectangle is the area where Naruto deflected the multiple Bijuudama's and their explosions are there if you look closely. In the middle of the green circle is the Juubi also. It can fire off blasts like that whenever it wants and that wasn't even a big one in comparison to the other beast's versions, if it made one as big as that... That's like easily bigger than a city I think he could probably damage it quite a lot but would maybe be overwhelmed by constant explosions, the constant heat probably wouldn't do anything at all and it would kill Yama if he had it activated too long. I guess Yama could summon all the fodder shinobi it's killed...but yeah, fodder. It also has an almost better technique... Spoiler: click to toggle Yama got hit by that he'd be done.
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| + Solid Snake | Jan 26 2014, 04:59 PM Post #5 |
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True, but Bankai Yama is also a one hit one kill kinda deal right? Zanka no Tachi, Higashi Kyokujitsujin I believe that's what I'm referring to. Shinju wouldn't be able to live after he cut or gazed by the blade. |
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| + Steve | Jan 26 2014, 08:24 PM Post #6 |
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Well not really, the thing is massive he'd be hard pressed to find somewhere to cut that would kill it. Plus we don't know what it's powers in it's beast form are since it was being controlled, namely what it's eye does since it's a crazy Sharingan/Rinnegan combo, if it has Rinnegan abilities it could use by itself...Yama ain't touching that. It's fast too, can't remember how fast but it can compare to Bee and Naruto. Another thing is it's durability it survives one of it's own Bijuudama plus the 8 Tails' blowing up inside it, so one of those in the scan I posted inside it and it was fine. Enhanced Amaterasu did basically nothing to it too. I think only with the heat confined to his blade could Yama actually cut it and even then it would be relatively minor damage. Can't remember if it regenerates or not but if it does then it definitely wins it would be too overwhelming. Actually yeah it can regenerate and even regrow it's limbs easily, if they're damaged they can just come off and grow again. It's tails create massive shockwaves that destroy the land around it, obviously it has 10 tails so it can just destroy everything pretty much. To beat it you basically need to destroy all of it in one go and Yama just doesn't have anything that big he would just cut parts of it off and merely annoy it, it would last way longer than his Bankai. |
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| Mihawk | Jan 26 2014, 08:39 PM Post #7 |
 
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Ametarasu did hurt it considerably but it had a huge boost from the world's equivalent kienzan attack. If we take statements literally ametarsu = hot as sun and yamato's bankai = hot as sun so they're relatively equal either way. As for this battle I'm not sure if yama can find a way to outsmart the Juubi. I think he could beat it if he had all the other captain's help, but then lose out to Juubito. |
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| + supersaqer | Jan 26 2014, 08:53 PM Post #8 |
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If there was a host, the Shinju wins. If it was the beast alone, it would get killed. |
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| + Steve | Jan 27 2014, 12:41 PM Post #9 |
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Didn't Amaterasu only really do surface damage? I'd imagine Rasenshuriken did most of the work there really but yeah going by literal statements. Well we don't know how smart the Juubi is, it could be really dumb yeah but on the other hand it is Narutoverse's God so maybe not. I think if it wasn't being controlled it would just spam Bijuudama type techniques and win that way, perhaps accidentally. I think Yama's best chance is if you can count the Juubi as having killed the SO6P(presumably Bijuu extraction did it) and then his Bankai summons him. However I can't imagine it being able to summon someone more powerful than Yama himself and SO6P allegedly created the moon while dying so yeah. Not that that's a likely scenario just the only pretty much sure win, although I'm not sure Yama's Bankai gives them their powers so probably not in that case. |
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| Tensa Zangetsu | Jan 28 2014, 01:20 PM Post #10 |
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Amaterasu being hot as the sun is pure hype. Even if it was, you could only say its 6000 degrees since it doesn't specify which part of the sun. Yamamoto's bankai isn't hype because a number is explicitly stated. 15 Million degrees = GG Juubi |
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| + Steve | Jan 28 2014, 02:19 PM Post #11 |
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Another translation is 1.5 million degrees though and it plainly isn't 15 mil that would burn everything in seconds, that's definitely hype. When did they measure it? There are scientist characters like Mayuri but clearly Yama hasn't used his Bankai much, I doubt he ever did just so someone could measure it it's no less hype than Amaterasu being that hot. It still wouldn't kill it anyway it can just shed it's skin it would only be surface damage, given that 2 Bijuudama, one being one of it's own blowing up inside it did nothing but make it swell up a bit. Give him two arms and let him do that thing he used on Aizen and maybe he could cut it in half that's probably the best he could do with one technique. |
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| Tensa Zangetsu | Jan 29 2014, 08:13 AM Post #12 |
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The right translation has it at 15 million. Refer to CNet/mangahelpers, they have professional translators. Environmental damage isn't a good way to judge its power. Its the same reason why DBZ characters don't destroy planets everytime they fire a blast. Kubo has to obviously bring down the damage for the sake of plot. Not to mention, Yama was holding back and taking care not to destroy SS. Yama has been a Shinigami for more than 1000 years. Ofcourse he would know the power of his own abilities. ZnT north = GG Treebi |
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| + Steve | Jan 29 2014, 11:29 AM Post #13 |
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Yes but he doesn't have a temperature gauge on him does he? You can't look at something or feel it and know how hot it is exactly, what equipment do they have that can measure that? DBZ characters condense their blasts to avoid area of affect and if Yama wasn't letting it out to save SS then doing so would still just kill him and if he condenses it to a small area that small area isn't enough plus it doesn't defend him from laser beams or suped up Bijuudama their chakra is way too dense for that. He would need to be flying around constantly to survive here he'd not get much time in for hits with 10 tails that can smash mountains(though in Juubi's case probably way more) after him constantly as well as explosions all round and cataclysmic storms. |
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| Tensa Zangetsu | Jan 29 2014, 09:13 PM Post #14 |
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He doesn't have one, but the SS Research department obviously does. They have sophisticated instruments to monitor all the activities on Earth as well as Hueco Mundo, so a thermometer should be no big deal. They obviously have info about all Zanpakuto present in SS. Maybe before Mayuri there was someone else who measured it. Yama does say that his Bankai would destroy all of SS as well as himself if he doesn't end it right away: http://a.mangawolf.info/manga/p/191/109846/5.jpg. This once again implies he is suppressing himself, and there is no contradiction. Environmental damage is just a trope in fiction. He simply covers himself with the armor of the sun. Treebi won;t even be able to touch him.... The moment its branch comes close to striking him, it gets vaped to nothingness. |
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| + Steve | Jan 29 2014, 11:23 PM Post #15 |
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You can't just assume that though, perhaps it would damage it over time but if that's Yama's strategy then they'd both die it kills him too. Amaterasu being as hot as the sun is still an uncontested statement if Yama can contain his heat and environmental damage can be negated with it the same must be applied to Amaterasu which even when enhanced only really annoyed the Juubi. Just because it's plant based doesn't mean fire is it's weakness it's not a Pokémon. That enhanced massive Rasenshuriken enhanced Amaterasu arrow only got a bit of it's shoulder which it quickly removed and regenerated, that attack is easily as powerful as a slash from Yamamoto. Look how big it is Spoiler: click to toggle Compared to that tiny toad there who's about the same size as Gamabunta who's also freaking massive and not even nearly the size of the Juubi's head, Yama needs multiple cuts here. It's worth noting that the Juubi is very fast too, it's not going to just stand in one place the whole time most of the time it's been hit it's been restrained in some way and it moved faster than Kurama could react, he wasn't paying attention but still with his senses he should have had plenty time to dodge were it slow. It also flicks a Bijuudama back at the 8 Tails with one finger which shows how damn strong it is considering the density of those techniques so there's no way Yama can tank hits from it easily. |
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