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Gohan's Potential
Topic Started: Jan 23 2014, 08:27 PM (1,807 Views)
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Guru's event unlocked all of it over a period of time.
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That's fine, but he still should have hit his limit somewhere. Then he broke the limit wall again like Vegetto was breakin' records.
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I thought 'Ultimate' was dub error or something. Isn't 'Mystic' the correct termonology?
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"Mystic" is a crap fan term.
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Jan 24 2014, 06:21 AM
"Mystic" is a crap fan term.
Shouldn't that be the case for 'Ultimate' too, or is it mentioned in an official guidebook? I don't remember the manga putting a label on Gohan.
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Jan 24 2014, 06:25 AM
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Jan 24 2014, 06:21 AM
"Mystic" is a crap fan term.
Shouldn't that be the case for 'Ultimate' too, or is it mentioned in an official guidebook? I don't remember the manga putting a label on Gohan.
Kaboom would be more suited for this response, but Mightiest Warrior Gohan is the only term I remember being used and that's from the Daizenshuu.
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Greatest Warrior in the Universe.
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Jan 24 2014, 06:25 AM
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Jan 24 2014, 06:21 AM
"Mystic" is a crap fan term.
Shouldn't that be the case for 'Ultimate' too, or is it mentioned in an official guidebook? I don't remember the manga putting a label on Gohan.
I believe that "Chou" is the Japanese term used for Gohan when he reaches the "Mystic" form in Daizenshuu 7.

"Chou" as far as my broken understanding of Japanese goes roughly translates as "Ultimate" in English. Mystic was a fan term that is ancient, that was actually used in the accompanying booklet for the Season 9 orange brick. I remember this distinctly because I was laughing at FUNI's blatant inaccuracy, and their stooping to a fan-lingo level instead of official translations.
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For the "Ultimate" discussion... the closest we get to a name is Gohan calling what we will become "Saikyō no senshi" (最強の戦士) which basically means "The strongest warrior"... so, his strongest self... so "Ultimate" is fine. "Chō"/"Chou" is more like... "Super" or "Ultra" but still gets the idea across. And then there's "Mystic". :x

Note: Some of the above may be slightly incorrect (namely the Japanese characters) as I am going by memory.


As for the topic, I believe it goes something like this: There are two parts your strength; that which you can freely access, and that which you cannot. The part you cannot freely access is shown to be accessible [at least partly] through extreme emotion, transformations, and potential releases (terrible/misleading naming).

Let's throw some numbers out for visual aid:
Farmer starts with a power level of 5 and a hidden power of 5 (5:5), for an ACTUAL power level of 10.

So, when he's out wrestling giant pink Moa, he generally battles with a power of 5... but let's say a Moa eats Farmer's favorite hat... well then, he's going to get a little pissed and tap into that 5 extra he has hidden... maybe powering up to 7. Or if it was his brand new Luffy2000... you'd better believe there's a full level 10 powered Farmer out there laying the smack down on a very sorry pink Moa.

5:5

Farmer trains for a bit... and for every bit of strength he gains... he gains a little bit of hidden strength too. It's a good workout... and he takes his readable/fighting level to 7 (+2)... and his hidden strength to 10 (+5).

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Farmer's out for a walk and comes across Guru, who in fear of Farmer's wrath, unlocks his potential. Farmer now has full access to his power level of 17.

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Now this is the step some people refer to as "dormant power resetting"... but I like to think of it more like "restocking a reserve".


Farmer, now with a ridiculous strength of 17(:0) decides it's time for another training montage... and gains +5 power! Once again, his hidden reserve gains a bit too... +12 there!

22:12

Farmer returns home to discover that his younger brother, Farmer with a shotgun, has died... apparently to his own gun. Farmer remembers the day he gave his brother that shotgun and begins to boil with rage at himself for causing his brother's death. Lightning flashes, his house is destroyed... and Farmer has become.... Super Farmer. Once again unlocking his dormant abilities.

34:0



My point is, unlocks unlock what's already there... not what could be there in the future (as the word "potential" would imply).

If a person has their strength unlocked, that does not mean they cannot gain strength again... neither does it mean they cannot have their strength unlocked again. BUT... if you have your strength unlocked... and then go on to gain no strength... another unlock would do nothing.

Any unlock noted to go beyond a person limits does exactly that... it goes beyond what was in reserve... though on how far beyond and what that limit is based on, I will not offer my opinion.



All numbers are examples and should be in no way interpreted as fixed ratios for normal gains vs hidden gains.







....oh yea, potential. Umm.... everyone in the DB universe seems to have unlimited potential. :rofl:
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Yeah,that's what i thought.
Also there's no ultimate or mystic,it's simply "Son Gohan".
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People just use Ultimate/Mystic to distinguish which Gohan they are talking about. If we simply said "Son Gohan", then it may cause confusion. I agree that the fan terms are stupid too though. 
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I just say Ultimate for god's sake , because typing "Greatest warrior Gohan" or "Saikyō no senshi Gohan " is too much for me. I rather swim to China than saying those long terms.
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Ultimate Gohan is the official name in Video Games at least, so it's not completely made up by fans, like mystic.
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Jan 24 2014, 01:53 PM
I just say Ultimate for god's sake , because typing "Greatest warrior Gohan" or "Saikyō no senshi Gohan " is too much for me. I rather swim to China than saying those long terms.
I think "Uninhibited", "Unleashed", "Unrestrained", or simply "Full Power" would all be more accurate terms to use, but apparently they don't sound as appealing as "Ultimate".

"Ultimate" seems to do the job for the most part, though. The original fan term of "Mystic Super Saiyan" doesn't really make a whole lot of sense at all.
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I have no problem with Ultimate. It's easy and fast to type.

The only thing that bothers me is when people call Cell Games Gohan "teen Gohan" (he is 9 at the Cell games) and Boo arc Gohan "adult Gohan" (he is 16 at the Boo arc).
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