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Instead of Power Levels.....
Topic Started: Jan 21 2014, 03:29 PM (1,416 Views)
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What I don't like about Power Levels in DBZ is that it makes martial arts skills more and more irrelevant as the sagas progress.

I would've liked instead if

1. The scouters just detected battle ki's location. It didn't say anything about who's more powerful just where they were.

2. Powers weren't too confining. I would've have liked skill to play a bigger role. If a less powerful combatant could still be a threat to a more powerful opponent because of his skill, then it would be more exciting IMO. At certain points, it became: Fighter A is more powerful than Fighters B anc C. There is nothing they can do.

What do you guys think?
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Well, personally i believe that a big part of the show that made it good was when they tried to figure out how to get stronger to match the enemy.. But the greatest moments were when two people who were equal are fighting eachother like Goku vs Vegeta, Goku vs Frieza, Goku vs Cell, Goku vs Vegeta (Buu saga this time) and Goku vs Kid Buu..
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Skill clearly does matter. Look at Gohan's fight with Dabura. He would have fared much better if he wasn't so sloppy. There's also Goku's fight with Cell. Very martial artsy.
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Jan 21 2014, 04:01 PM
Skill clearly does matter. Look at Gohan's fight with Dabura. He would have fared much better if he wasn't so sloppy. There's also Goku's fight with Cell. Very martial artsy.
True I know that. I simply meant for the majority of the series. Ex: Zarbon, Ginyu force, Cyborgs, Fat Buu etc.
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Skill matters. We see plenty times where the stronger one dont win

Goku Vs Vegeta
Goku vs freiza
Gohan Vs cell (Well the strongest one won, but at the time he lost a lot of power and they where a lot closer when he finally beat him)
Supre trunks\Super vegeta had great power, but did not win

The entire buu arc had the strongest guys lose to buu in till the very end, for what ever reason.
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Jan 21 2014, 04:13 PM
Skill matters. We see plenty times where the stronger one dont win

Goku Vs Vegeta
Goku vs freiza
Gohan Vs cell (Well the strongest one won, but at the time he lost a lot of power and they where a lot closer when he finally beat him)
Supre trunks\Super vegeta had great power, but did not win

The entire buu arc had the strongest guys lose to buu in till the very end, for what ever reason.
1. Goku vs Vegeta -- Kaio-ken and Oozaru Gohan and Spirit Bomb Overpowered Vegeta

2. SSJ overpowered Frieza

3. Super Trunks had greater strength but not greater speed than Perfect Cell, so he did not have greater power

4. Fusion timer and absorption played the bigger role in the Buu saga, not skill

Skill does matter, but not as much as I would like is what I am saying
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Jan 21 2014, 04:17 PM
1. Goku vs Vegeta -- Kaio-ken and Oozaru Gohan and Spirit Bomb Overpowered Vegeta

2. SSJ overpowered Frieza

3. Super Trunks had greater strength but not greater speed than Perfect Cell, so he did not have greater power

4. Fusion timer and absorption played the bigger role in the Buu saga, not skill

Skill does matter, but not as much as I would like is what I am saying
1. which are skills, he used skills to over power because per power was not enough
2. No, he really did not, only in the TV show, in the original work Frezia was doing very well aginst ssj goku and hinted that had he not taken a spirit bomb, krillin cutting off his tail, and fighting everyone for so long he may of won

He took enough damage by gkou and others skills that he could not beat ssj goku

3. so was cell stronger? power is power, it shows being stronger dont mean you will win, other skills like speed take affect as well.

4. yes, and those are skills, and power they had insane power and still could not win, and asobstion is a skill, buu used that to beat those stronger then him


I think you dont realize how much skill mattered, sure it could always of been used more, but almost all of these involved skill to win, not pure power, some fights where hugly based on power, but thats also cause the stronger guy was more skilled

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I think you're speaking my language. But fear not; power levels aren't everything. Even IF 9 times out of 10 the stronger fighter wins, other factors like skill, special abilities, physiologies, mindsets, and so forth will determine how much of a fight the weaker combatant puts up and generally how the fight plays out.
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Jan 21 2014, 04:01 PM
Skill clearly does matter. Look at Gohan's fight with Dabura. He would have fared much better if he wasn't so sloppy. There's also Goku's fight with Cell. Very martial artsy.
Although that's true, the skill part works with fighters that have small gaps with each other, if a fighter is 2x times the other, skill is a non-factor.
Topic@ I fully agree with you bud, the scouters should detect only the Presense of the Charatcer, but then again wouldn't the Scouter misdujge the others?
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Jan 21 2014, 05:14 PM
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Skill clearly does matter. Look at Gohan's fight with Dabura. He would have fared much better if he wasn't so sloppy. There's also Goku's fight with Cell. Very martial artsy.
Although that's true, the skill part works with fighters that have small gaps with each other, if a fighter is 2x times the other, skill is a non-factor.
Topic@ I fully agree with you bud, the scouters should detect only the Presense of the Charatcer, but then again wouldn't the Scouter misdujge the others?
Yes, my friend, the scouter wouldn't be able to pick up sudden movements as fast/efficiently as ki-sensing.

However, unlike how it is now, the scouters we talk about would only indicate location. e.g. large battle ki over there.

It wouldn't indicate a specific amount sort of like ki-sensing actually
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Skills matters most of the time. Goku showed us plenty of times that skills speak louder than action.
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2. No, he really did not, only in the TV show, in the original work Frezia was doing very well aginst ssj goku and hinted that had he not taken a spirit bomb, krillin cutting off his tail, and fighting everyone for so long he may of won


What are you talking about? The Anime has Freeza doing much better against Goku than Freeza did in the manga. Goku in the manga got some hits from Freeza but it's very clear that Goku was the better man and that the hits wasn't hurting Goku that much BEFORE Freeza lost power. That's not even about Power levels. That's just someone kicking a***. When was it hinted that Genki Dama gave Freeza the disadvantaged? How the hell would Krillin cutting Freeza's tail off in his SECOND form weaken Freeza? When he grew his tail back? (Did anyone notice that 100% Freeza sometimes got a full tail in the anime and sometimes he doesn't O_o?)
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Jan 21 2014, 08:17 PM
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2. No, he really did not, only in the TV show, in the original work Frezia was doing very well aginst ssj goku and hinted that had he not taken a spirit bomb, krillin cutting off his tail, and fighting everyone for so long he may of won


What are you talking about? The Anime has Freeza doing much better against Goku than Freeza did in the manga. Goku in the manga got some hits from Freeza but it's very clear that Goku was the better man and that the hits wasn't hurting Goku that much BEFORE Freeza lost power. That's not even about Power levels. That's just someone kicking a***. When was it hinted that Genki Dama gave Freeza the disadvantaged? How the hell would Krillin cutting Freeza's tail off in his SECOND form weaken Freeza? When he grew his tail back? (Did anyone notice that 100% Freeza sometimes got a full tail in the anime and sometimes he doesn't O_o?)
#1 transforming dose not make you 100% better, goku was still hurting in that fight, Frezia still had lost energy, he could not keep that amount of power with his damaged body, even in the magna when he transforms plenty (even when its a HUGE chance) still show heavy breathing, scars, or other sings of wounds
#2 the spiret bomb hit him HARD when goku was doing kiaoken x20 he still could not match him x50 WOULD of put them around the same but Frezia was hurt and a freaking spiret bomb kills most, it serverly hurt him, he even shows it and mentions it a billion times
#3 I'm pointing out he got his *** beat for like hours on end by sevreal guys who keep razing the bar, he would lost energy durring these fights. he is not a andriod his power cant go on forever.

Goku may still end up being stronger but its not by much and FReiza quickly started losing power after powering 100% a feat that is NOT a normal occurrence in that form, he was lossing it cause he had done so much with five other pepole and took a spiret bomb point blank
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Actually, Goku calls Frieza out on that saying that Frieza hadn't used 100% of his power yet because he couldn't control it. After Goku said this, Frieza didn't blame it on the Spirit Bomb, he just ignored it. The statement proved to be true during the battle
Edited by SuperSaiyan1993, Jan 22 2014, 01:13 AM.
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Skill matters but not at the extreme. The more the better, yes. We didn't get as much as I would prefer, and I'd be greedy.
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