Creationism vs Evolution in Public Schools

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Creationism vs Evolution in Public Schools; The debate continues
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~~PokeMaster~~	Feb 1 2014, 04:24 AM Post #61
Posts: 66 Group: Banned Member #10,811 Joined: January 31, 2014 Gender Female Country None	I'm against teaching religion in schools. A few years back, we studied it, and I told the teacher I was against it. I didn't believe in it, and I'd rather learn about something that has evidence, something concrete. He didn't listen, surprise surprise. A few days later, he handed out an exam sheet to see what we have learnt so far, so I ripped it up and told him to teach me something that isn't just a belief. Obviously, it didn't go down too well. If religion ever gets some evidence behind it, that's when it should be taught as an elective.



Hearts	Feb 1 2014, 06:46 PM Post #62
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	SilverHairedKnight Feb 1 2014, 04:24 AM I'm against teaching religion in schools. A few years back, we studied it, and I told the teacher I was against it. I didn't believe in it, and I'd rather learn about something that has evidence, something concrete. He didn't listen, surprise surprise. A few days later, he handed out an exam sheet to see what we have learnt so far, so I ripped it up and told him to teach me something that isn't just a belief. Obviously, it didn't go down too well. If religion ever gets some evidence behind it, that's when it should be taught as an elective. What did the teacher teach then? Was it about how mighty God is or was it facts about religion, where they come from, what the pillars are and so on. Or i should rephrase that, did the teacher teach about christianity or all religions?



+ Pelador	Feb 1 2014, 06:56 PM Post #63
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Topographic Oceans	Feb 1 2014, 07:23 PM Post #64
Posts: 1,787 Group: Member Member #10,681 Joined: January 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Action Comics Favourite Manga Detective Comics	I said it before, but you shouldn't teach religion as a fact. If someone is teaching christianism as the one big truth of the world, then he is wrong. This isn't summer school. But if he is teaching it in a elective, objective standpoint, as a elective class, then he is right. There's no trouble with having more knowldge. People that don't know anything about religion are, i will be fair, ignorant. You can't study acient Greece while skeeping their myths, that i doubt anyone believes nowadays. But they are anyways part of their history. If you want to live the rest of your life without knowing anything about it, go ahead. The keyword here is elective. It shouldn't be a obligatory subject by any means, more like a extra-class, that you can chose if you want to get deeper in that subject. It's sumb to teach it to a bunch of people that aren't interested on it if they won't use it in their lives. Just teach it to people who want more knowledge about the subject. In a history class (and i go back to the Greece example) a example about mythology is enough. In a theology class, a example is not enough. The myths and stories from all religions do exist, but if they tell true stories, that's something to be discussed another time. You shouldn't teach religion along with science, because science is based on theory and experimentation. Teach it were it belongs to, as a elective class, as something objective. If you chose not to have any knowledge about it, you shouldn't be obligated. But let the persons who want to learn it learn it.
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+ Steve	Feb 1 2014, 08:16 PM Post #65
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	I think it should just be like what we had, RME religious and moral education and if some religious stuff is being taught you just don't have to take part. If it's a completely optional class I doubt most people would take it it should be part of a mandatory class involving other things we also had PSE, personal and social education so both of those could just be combined, each year could have a section from a different religion and then other things. Most people either dreaded RME or looked forward to it as time wasting but we still learned things about Sikhism and Buddhism and often it was mixed in with fun activities to keep us interested, like meditating in the Lotus position which made lots of people fall over... I feel that's the right kind of way, make it mandatory but at the same time if someone says it's against their belief or disbelief they can just sit and study for their other classes until the religion section is over.
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~~PokeMaster~~	Feb 1 2014, 09:00 PM Post #66
Posts: 66 Group: Banned Member #10,811 Joined: January 31, 2014 Gender Female Country None	I'm not against learning religion, I'm against learning it the way the teacher was teaching it. It was in a Science class, so it was already wasting time because religion has nothing to do with Science, and it was all Christianity. Not any of the religions I'd actually like to hear about, like Greek, Roman and Judaism. I'd love to have religion in history class, but not like "This is what happened", rather "This is what the ancient people believed". Religion has been the main reason for some important history to learn (Holocaust, for example). So yeah, I'd like to learn about what the ancient people believed, and how religion influenced their lives, opposed to religion being taught as fact.



Rockman	Feb 2 2014, 12:31 PM Post #67
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	SilverHairedKnight Feb 1 2014, 09:00 PM I'm not against learning religion, I'm against learning it the way the teacher was teaching it. It was in a Science class, so it was already wasting time because religion has nothing to do with Science, and it was all Christianity. Not any of the religions I'd actually like to hear about, like Greek, Roman and Judaism. I'd love to have religion in history class, but not like "This is what happened", rather "This is what the ancient people believed". Religion has been the main reason for some important history to learn (Holocaust, for example). So yeah, I'd like to learn about what the ancient people believed, and how religion influenced their lives, opposed to religion being taught as fact. So you're saying it has place in a history class, not a science class.
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Daemon Keido	Feb 2 2014, 12:37 PM Post #68
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Creationism is not inherently a bad theory to teach, no worse than any other religious belief. What is the problem, however is a lack of balance in teaching scope. Obviously, we cannot expect Catholic schools to teach much beyond Catholicism in that regard, so we shall leave them and any other religious school of similar existence out of my points. Going to the public sector, the problem that we have is that too often teachers teach based on their bias. For instance, a Chemistry teacher that loves to blow crap up in the name of teaching their students is liable to focus heavily in that regard. Does that make the teaching style inherently bad? Only if it disrupts the class' ability to learn other parts of the course. For instance of my example, if the teacher forgoes the other parts of the course that don't involve a fireball, the teacher has done his students a disservice in not teaching them the full course. Now in regards to a religious teacher, they are more than allowed to teach their beliefs, provided it is within the lesson plan expected of the course, say a Cultural Comparison course. After all, you expect your teacher to have at least as good a grasp of the course as he intends to impart into his students. The problem is, most such teachers (and this is not focused purely on Christian teachers but it is one of the more common instances) begin that lesson plan with the idea that their faith is the only correct one, and focus heavily upon it. This is as large a disservice as the Chemistry teacher that focuses on explosions. I don't expect the teacher to be a religious scholar of incredible background (unless such a teacher is what is required as in most post-secondary education platforms), but it is to be expected that the teacher should be able to create a checklist of things to teach about a faith as can be taught and that they adequately explained the section well enough to fill out that checklist.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Feb 3 2014, 08:12 AM Post #69
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Ninjaneer Feb 2 2014, 12:31 PM SilverHairedKnight Feb 1 2014, 09:00 PM I'm not against learning religion, I'm against learning it the way the teacher was teaching it. It was in a Science class, so it was already wasting time because religion has nothing to do with Science, and it was all Christianity. Not any of the religions I'd actually like to hear about, like Greek, Roman and Judaism. I'd love to have religion in history class, but not like "This is what happened", rather "This is what the ancient people believed". Religion has been the main reason for some important history to learn (Holocaust, for example). So yeah, I'd like to learn about what the ancient people believed, and how religion influenced their lives, opposed to religion being taught as fact. So you're saying it has place in a history class, not a science class. It does. A lot of what happened throughout history and even in politics today is because of religious beliefs. It's not only important to understand what happened, but why. Of course, it's also important to understand that religion in history class should be taught from a neutral POV.
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Daemon Keido	Feb 3 2014, 08:28 AM Post #70
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Exactly. History itself, if taught well, is taught objectively. Which allows us to see things the way the people who lived it could not, or perhaps refused to. History is very much a subjective course on its own, dependant on what was recorded for truth. Of course, this makes it so that we only see the truth as written by the victors of history....and sometimes what was considered truth was nothing but a lie of omission.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Feb 13 2014, 07:08 PM Post #71
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	The fact is that obviously, given the nature of the subject, History is taught in hindsight, and given that religion was written in the context of what society was at the time it was written, I think that Religion should be taught in the context of hindsight as well. Most religions can't be applied to modern society, because the culture of people 2000 years ago is completely alien to what culture is today. It's like trying to apply what we do now in Western Society to the cannibalistic and primitive tribes of New Guinea. It doesn't work because the cultures are so entirely different.
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Zenet	Feb 15 2014, 09:26 AM Post #72
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	Creationism should be briefly mentioned in religious studies and that's about it. Like "this is what people used to think was true in some parts of the world" the end.



Master Gohan	Feb 15 2014, 03:30 PM Post #73
Posts: 2,178 Group: New York Yankee Member #9,780 Joined: July 21, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime KIll la Kill, No Game No Life, Code Geass, Gosick, Log Horizon, Steins;Gate	Pelador Jan 19 2014, 11:56 PM That's exactly why religious education is mandatory in schools. When applied properly it teaches respect and understanding of other faiths. One thing it should never do is force religion on people. I liked that every term at school would be another faith to learn about. I think I found Sikhism the most interesting but Hinduism was awesome too. I think it would be a great thing to teach in schools. Personally I'd love to take a class teaching me about a bunch of religions. Edited by Master Gohan, Feb 15 2014, 03:31 PM.



Prince Cooler4	Apr 12 2014, 09:49 PM Post #74
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SaiyanHajime	Apr 12 2014, 11:03 PM Post #75
Posts: 224 Group: Member Member #10,689 Joined: January 6, 2014 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime DBZ	Prince Cooler4 Apr 12 2014, 09:49 PM Both should be taught equally in school...their both theories... "Theory" in scientific context does not mean what you think it does. Gravity is a theory too, ya know. Creationism is not the same kind of theory. It's a theory in the looser, everyday sense one uses in communication. Scientific theories explain facts.
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