SaiyanHajime

Jan 21 2014, 10:32 PM

Whilst most Christians believe that God created the universe, they do not disbelieve in evolution. Creationism is rejection of evolution. It's the belief that, prior to the sins Eve committed, all life on Earth that has ever existed lived together in harmony eating plant matter. It's the belief that Noah's ark really did happen and explains the fossil record. It's the belief that the Earth is only 5000 or so years old. It's extremist. And it's certainly not "the norm" in the USA, I'd say that's pretty insulting to Americans... Even of those who do not accept evolution in it's entirety, most are not "creationists". It's fairly common for people to accept evolution, but NOT accept human evolution, for example. It's more common still for people to simply say they don't know/care.

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Why do you define creationism as all those things?

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Creationism doesn't even need to be attached to Christianity. It's a popular belief among religions - Mormons, Muslims, Jews, etc.

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I assume when you say most Christians that you are getting your data from a reliable survey or study? I mean it would be pretty stupid to just make up generalisations about entire groups of people right?

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SaiyanHajime, you clearly are unable to put aside your bias against creationism in this argument. Every one of your posts talks about how ridiculous it is, how extreme it is and how we shouldn't even entertain the idea of teaching it because it's so god damn ridiculous. That's your view. That's not the view of everyone. People are allowed to form their own opinions on it, and to do so it needs to be taught. Your attitude towards creationism is just as bad as the die-hard Christians: in both cases, views are being pushed onto people (creationism with Christians, the idea that Creationism is ridiculous an extremism by yourself).

I shall repeat myself. In no way can a logical argument be made that people should not be given the choice to learn about religion, including creationism.

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As I'm sure you appreciate, that's a pretty long read the link you posted. XD I ctrl+f for evolution, creation and origin and none of them came up. Does it say anywhere words to effect that imply more than 50% of Americans deny evolution?

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Most Americans are Christian, sure, no one argues that. It's whether those Christians deny evolution that's the question. The majority don't. A lot DO, a scarily high number impo... As seen in the links I posted, but most do not.

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The question is not regarding what's currently taught in schools, it's regarding what should or should not be taught in schools.

Regardless... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_and_evolution_in_public_education_in_the_United_States

"...Louisiana and Mississippi, have adopted legislation allowing teachers and students to discuss scientific evidence critical of evolution.[1]"

Note there is none. By that they mean Biblical evidence portrayed as science, like that found on answersingenesis.org Thats the kind of creationism I'm talking about and it's dangerous.

The crap I'm talking about though is this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_and_evolution_in_public_education_in_the_United_States#Movements_to_teach_creationism_in_schools

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I never claimed that more than 50% of American deny evolution. Creationism has nothing to do with evolution. The universe wasn't created by evolution.

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...but that still has nothing to do with this.

Ketchupis Ultionis

Jan 19 2014, 09:57 PM

This is a big issue in the US, and has been one for years. Should Creationism be taught in science class in schools? Should evolution be taught in school? Both or neither?

I don't have a problem with Creationism being taught in schools, but teach it as a electoral Theology or Social Science class, not try to implement it as an actual scientific one. However, my main issue is that they only want the Christian account of Creationism taught in Schools.

There is absolutely no scientific evidence at all to support the Christian account of Creationism, and that account in no way has been proven to be more valid than any other religion's account of Creationism.

Science class is about studying universal and verifiable data, not go off on some charade about what we think we believe because some unverified book tells us so.