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| Rockman | Jan 20 2014, 02:21 AM Post #16 |
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The whole point of education is to learn a little about everything. Not one thing or another. And then later in life at the PhD level, a lot about one thing. That's called a profession. Schools should teach creationism. In the proper setting, in the proper class, as an elective, and along side other theories and religions. What some Texas legislature-men want, (NOT GOING TORICKPERRYMENTION ANY NAMES), is to teach creationism in place of evolution IN BIOLOGY CLASS. Or for it not to be brought up at all. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jan 20 2014, 04:21 AM Post #17 |
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A major part of events in history were a result of religious belief. Most wars in history occurred because of different religious beliefs. I think it's important to study religion for its effect on History, but look at it completely from a completely neutral point of view. It shouldn't be taught as the correct way of thinking unless it can be backed up with universally observable results; or in other words, scientific evidence. |
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| Pookie | Jan 20 2014, 04:22 AM Post #18 |
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I took a theology course my freshman year of university because it was a requirement and they did teach about atheism. In some ways, atheism could be considered a "religion" because the definition of religion is a "collection of beliefs, a system of beliefs, etc." Most athiests don't belive their is a God which I consider a belief. Edited by Pookie, Jan 20 2014, 04:25 AM.
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| + Pelador | Jan 20 2014, 04:57 AM Post #19 |
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It's the complete opposite. They don't believe anything God related. There are no beliefs to be in a collection. |
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| Hearts | Jan 20 2014, 11:33 AM Post #20 |
 
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Creationism in Science Class? Only in America... (out of all the western countries) |
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| SaiyanHajime | Jan 20 2014, 11:33 AM Post #21 |
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Where do you draw the line? Should they also teach conspiracy theories? Or about the loch ness monster? |
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| Rockman | Jan 20 2014, 11:44 AM Post #22 |
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| Hearts | Jan 20 2014, 11:45 AM Post #23 |
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Schools should not teach creationism and it should only be taught in something like a sunday school.. Creationism is just.. stupid |
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| Topographic Oceans | Jan 20 2014, 12:04 PM Post #24 |
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Public Schools im my country literally have "Religion" classes. Not even theology classes, they are just called Religion classes. They only teach about christianism, much like a church's Sunday School. And from a totally non-objective standpoint, not giving any kind of historic background and ignoring many of the contradictions, treating it like it was 100 percent true and what the students should believe in. Again, like Sunday School. But treated as a school subject. Most of the schools have prayer as something done in a daily basis by students. Not all schools have this, in fact, a lot of them have been removing them after some overwhelming protests. In my opinion, they should be replaced by theology classes. If you want to teach religion, teach it from a objective standpoint, and not just one religion, all of them. Give the students some background in the story of all religions, or don't even teach religion at all. If you teach only one religion to a kid, any religion, not only chrisitianism, and present it as the one true thing, this person will hardly chose to beleive any other thing in their lifes. If you teach someone since the're kids 'that's your religion, it's what you should believe in", this person will probably believe this the rest of their lives, even if said religion it's not what's right for them. Now, tere's a lot of people in internet and in this forum, i believe, that were raised in religious background but now aren't religious anymore. But the internet is a vocal minority. Most christians (this works for most religions) are christians because they were taught to be christians since childhood. edit: i think it's silly to bash religion in this thread. A debate can lose it's tracks if someone starts bashing it's subject just for the sake of bashing it. Edited by Topographic Oceans, Jan 20 2014, 12:06 PM.
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| SaiyanHajime | Jan 20 2014, 12:06 PM Post #25 |
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That doesn't answer the question of where you draw the line. There are thousands of religions, each with hundreds of sects, each of which filled with millions of individuals who can't agree. And objectively, it's no different to teaching kids about nessie. Some idiots believe it, that's not a good enough reason to share the "knowledge". That's what the internet is for. |
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| Topographic Oceans | Jan 20 2014, 12:34 PM Post #26 |
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That's the purpose of Theology classes. Teach religions in a objective standpoint, with a proper hystorical background. The thing is, want it or not, religions influenced our history, and if you want to understand human history, you have to understand religion. It has nothing to do with the Lock Ness Monster, the Big Foot or anything. This things have no historical importance, it doesn't make sense to teach them at school. Religion needs to be taught from an objective standpoint. The Loch Ness Monster didn't influence the world as religion did. It doesn't make sense to compare the two. You need to understand religion in a totally neutral point of view. You have to understand religion if you want to understand most wars and important things that happened in history. You don't need to like Fascism or believe it to study it. Same thing with religion. One thing that i agree religion shouldn't be mixed with science, because it has absolutely no scientifical basis. Teach it alongside evolution is a bit silly for me. Evolution is backed up by scientifical evidence. The place to teach religion at school is in a theology class. It doesn't make sense to mix a christian belief with something backed up with actual facts and evidence. Edited by Topographic Oceans, Jan 20 2014, 01:09 PM.
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| Hearts | Jan 20 2014, 12:44 PM Post #27 |
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But creationism has nothing to do with this, creationism has as much to do with history as "We used to believe the world was flat".. Not even the pope believes in creationsim, ask the vatican and they will say that god created the universe via Big bang and Evolution. Its fine to teach religion, not just Christianity but all of them but you should leave out creationism in all of that. What i DONT want to see is stuff like this 
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| Topographic Oceans | Jan 20 2014, 01:00 PM Post #28 |
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It's what i said before. Religion should be taught in schools from a neutral, objective standpoint. It's the whole point of my other post. Creationism is a dated and overly contradictory theory thant doesn't hold up well with today's scientific standarts, but it is a part of religion, and if you want to teach this religion, you can't skip creationism. Really, you can't explain Christianism to a person while skiping creationism. It makes no sense. The thing is, you should point out all it's contradictions and errors that it has while teaching it. That's the point of an objective class on any subject. This image you posted is actually the opposite of a objective class. Edited by Topographic Oceans, Jan 20 2014, 01:08 PM.
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| + Pelador | Jan 20 2014, 01:34 PM Post #29 |
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Yes. You can't ignore certain parts just because you don't like or agree with them. If I were to teach about Islam I wouldn't leave out the prophet Muhammad. This would make you as bad or perhaps worse than the creationists ignoring evolution. Everything should be taught, just from an objective and non judgmental point of view. I learned about the Guru Nanak and the origins of Sikhism, did I believe any of it? Not really. But it was still very interesting and it made me much less ignorant about Sikh beliefs and traditions. |
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| SaiyanHajime | Jan 20 2014, 02:36 PM Post #30 |
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Teach history alongside where it's relevant - in geography and history, no need for religion to exist on it's own as a class. (This said, I LOVED RE class in school because It was an excuse to think and argue. Replace it with a critical thinking class!) The point is that creationism has no place in school, mostly because even as part of RE, it represents a tiny percentage of people. Most believers in the western world do not literally think the world was created in 7 days, or that god moulded people from clay or that dinosaurs and men ate plants together happily until eve was a little b*** and now all her daughters must eternally suffer. Yeah, such beliefs are more common amongst the world cultures of far off lands you'll touch on in geography, and why are they? Because, as you'll learn in geography, those people have less access to schooling. Creationism doesn't belong in schools because is has absolutely zero relevance to anything. Just like nessie. In fact, I'd argue nessie is more important. Maybe you should be taught about nessie in business and tourism classes. Edited by SaiyanHajime, Jan 20 2014, 02:36 PM.
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