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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jan 19 2014, 09:57 PM Post #1 |
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This is a big issue in the US, and has been one for years. Should Creationism be taught in science class in schools? Should evolution be taught in school? Both or neither? I don't have a problem with Creationism being taught in schools, but teach it as a electoral Theology or Social Science class, not try to implement it as an actual scientific one. However, my main issue is that they only want the Christian account of Creationism taught in Schools. There is absolutely no scientific evidence at all to support the Christian account of Creationism, and that account in no way has been proven to be more valid than any other religion's account of Creationism. Science class is about studying universal and verifiable data, not go off on some charade about what we think we believe because some unverified book tells us so. |
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| + Pelador | Jan 19 2014, 10:04 PM Post #2 |
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First of all lets try to keep as much religion bashing out of this as we can since religion is not the problem here. People are. I don't understand why both can't be taught. One thing my religious education teachers at school taught me was that their own personal beliefs were mostly irrelevant when it came to teaching. You don't need to be a Muslim to teach about Islam and you don't need to believe in Evolution to teach the ideas behind it. With that being said, creationism should definitely be kept to theology/sociology classes. There's nothing scientific about it. If evolution isn't being taught then schools are failing their students when it comes to the sciences. As I said before, you don't need to believe the subject that you are teaching. Just understand it. |
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| * Mitas | Jan 19 2014, 10:06 PM Post #3 |
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I agree that Creationism shouldn't be taught in the same way Science is. Like you said, there is no scientific evidence to support Creationism. I do think it is something that should be taught in schools though. I believe children should be educated (on/in/about? I'm never sure) all religions as it's important to understand and be aware of the different cultures around the World. As far as I'm aware, that's how it's taught in the UK, under 'Religious Studies/Philosophy'. Edited by Mitas, Jan 19 2014, 10:07 PM.
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| EMIYA | Jan 19 2014, 10:13 PM Post #4 |
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Evolution is a science a theory if you will and like any science or theory, its backed up by factual evidence. The same way the theory of gravity or the Big Bang Theory is supported by evidence. No decent scientist will ever tell you that Evolution, Gravity, Big Bang and all those theories are 100% true. What they will tell you is that they have...pun not intended...damned good evidence to support them. I bring this up a lot and I'm going to bring it up again. You can't have religious knowledge and Scientific Knowledge together, it does not work. The reason for this is that religious knowledge is ordained by the concept of God himself. (Or whatever religious entity we may be talking about) In short...Religion is true because God says its true...and God is true because Religion says its true. It's one of the most blatant forms of circular logic that I have probably ever heard. Religion doesn't have to prove itself. It doesn't have to cite its evidence, data and what not. By its own collection, it's a factual evidence merely because God, or whoever, has decreed it and that's it. It's something you don't put in the science room because simply put, it can't follow the basic necessities of the scientific format. It can't follow the Scientific Method, the arguably utmost important thing in the entire scientific community. The most striking perhaps being the fact that religion can't be tested. Religion is pretty much like Schrodinger's Box, it both exists and doesn't exists. There's nothing going against it yet simultaneously there's nothing going for it either. Because religion and its necessities exist beyond the scope of the rational realm. Science is not like this, everything that science does, every theory, every calculation, every inkling of data is created and formed by rationalizing said data and then drawing a conclusion. A conclusion that in many cases, changes over time. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jan 19 2014, 11:03 PM Post #5 |
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I agree, but I didn't lie. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jan 19 2014, 11:06 PM.
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| NineTailedFox | Jan 19 2014, 11:05 PM Post #6 |
 
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Back at my high school that I went to, we have a class on Religion Studies. But, our freshman year (9th grade, for those of you not familiar with that language), we are required to take and pass a biology class in which evolution is taught. It is not taught as a belief, it is taught as a fact. You don't have to believe in it, you just have to be knowledgeable about it. The same goes in our Religion Studies class. You do not have to believe in any specific religion that is taught in the curriculum, you just have to be knowledgeable about them. I can't say this about any other school, but my school was VERY good at keeping religion and beliefs OUT of the teaching methods. Yes, there were teachers of different faiths and belief systems. I had several Christian teachers, I also had several teachers of different faiths (Muslim, Catholicism [like Roman Catholicism], Buddhism, etc.). None of my teachers ever even talked about their personal beliefs during the class time nor did they press any specific belief onto any students during class time. I did have a day where we had lost 3 students within the week, one of which was one of my classmates, and I went to a certain teacher that I was closest to and she comforted me with faith. While that is technically against school policy, because it was in her classroom (library closet, actually, but in the room) and the teachers aren't allowed to pray or preach or any of that stuff in front of or to students, this teacher was basically like my cool, hip grandma. I had also known her for 3 years and went to her when I was in her class my 10th grade year when I was going through the rough patches of my depression, so we were close in that sense. While I don't believe in any Christian-based faith (a faith that looks up to one holy entity, aka "God"), I still do believe that a course on religion should be offered at every school, but I do think that it should be in the later years of development, since parents usually "raise" their children under certain house rules, ie praying before meals or before bed, etc., and I can see the whole thing blowing up if parents have elementary children coming home saying they believe something else because that's what their teacher focused on that day or whatever. All in all, I believe that it is most logical to require things about our earth and how we TECHNICALLY got here (evolution and other things based off of factual EVIDENCE) around the ages of 13+, and offer a religion course when they're 15+. From a psychological developmental standpoint, that makes the most sense to me. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jan 19 2014, 11:38 PM Post #7 |
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If we teach Creationism in Science class, can we also teach Atheism in Theology class? It's a legitimate question. What do you think? |
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| + Pelador | Jan 19 2014, 11:41 PM Post #8 |
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All you can teach about that is it's definition and maybe the names of some famous atheists and why they have chosen not to believe in God. But it's not the same as teaching about Jewish marriage procedures or Muslim funerals. It's more of a side note than anything. |
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| POOHEAD189 | Jan 19 2014, 11:44 PM Post #9 |
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I think they do teach Athiesm in some Theology classes. |
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| + Steve | Jan 19 2014, 11:48 PM Post #10 |
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Yeah science should never be taught less than creationism that's for sure. Like...what jobs are you going to get if you know a little math, your language and nothing remotely scientific? it severely limits your options in life if you know nothing of science, we can't all end up working in Burger King  I'm agnostic-atheist and if I had it my way religion wouldn't touch regular schools at all but I see the value to people being allowed to be taught and learn what they want, it shouldn't be mandatory as something you have to really study and take exams in. In my school we always had R.E., Religious Education up until the years when we'd have exam based classes at which point you could take theology courses and whatnot at the local college. I think that's good enough, religion is forced on people enough. It should always be an option but the important word is option, give people a little education about it and let them decide for themselves. Personally I think that's how religion should be taught anyway like say if you're a Christian you shouldn't force your kids in to being Christian too let them grow up and decide on their own. I mean imagine that was how it worked, you could have people of Christianity, Catholicism, Buddhism and Islam all co-existing under one roof because they respect the life choice each of them made. Does that not make for a better world? "Why can't we all just get along?" Comes to mind. |
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| + Pelador | Jan 19 2014, 11:56 PM Post #11 |
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That's exactly why religious education is mandatory in schools. When applied properly it teaches respect and understanding of other faiths. One thing it should never do is force religion on people. I liked that every term at school would be another faith to learn about. I think I found Sikhism the most interesting but Hinduism was awesome too. |
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| SaiyanHajime | Jan 20 2014, 12:25 AM Post #12 |
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I think it actually does the opposite. All you end up with is "X religion believe in this" and a bunch of kids come away with the idea that "they are uncivilised and stupid" because of the patronising way it was presented. RE should be bundled into the other humanities where appropriate. OR call it "anthropology" and widen it up and take that kind of bulls*** out of geography. I always hated that at school, I didn't want to learn about people in geography, I wanted to learn about, ya know, f***ing geography. You can't teach people to be respectful of one another, and you certainly can't do it by highlighting people's differences. |
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| NineTailedFox | Jan 20 2014, 12:29 AM Post #13 |
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@Naked Snake -- Atheism was actually taught in our Comparative Religions class. It was really interesting, too. |
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| EMIYA | Jan 20 2014, 01:18 AM Post #14 |
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Here's another thing to take into mind. If you include "Creationism" in this case the "Christianity aspect" of it into a science class, you'd have to include by fairness all creationist theory. I'm sure you've all heard the comical religious thing of "The Flying spaghetti Monster" Well this was pretty much created in the concept that if the creationism was going to be taught in the science class, then you'll have to import this creationism theory as well. Besides this troublesome aspect, as I already mention, there is no science in religion itself, otherwise it wouldn't be religion. This is why you have to separate the two itself. Now you can teach a class about creationism, the history involving it, the symbolic keys and all that jazz. It would be no different than if you taught a Greek Mythology class, both are acceptable teaching methods but neither of them belong in the science classroom. |
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Jan 20 2014, 02:16 AM Post #15 |
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Sure, Christianity should be taught in schools... as a mythology class. |
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