TheDoc

Jan 18 2014, 06:38 PM

I don't think there's much reson to disregard a author's statement about his own work if it doesn't contradict the original work. Some statements made in interviews and stuff are really interesting and help solving some problems in a debate.

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Only if there are major inconsistencies. Otherwise, this could fast turn into a classic TV Tropes style fandom revolution

Whay do you mean with classic TV Tropes style fandom revolution? I am just asking out of curiosity. I know TV Tropes but i never got much in depth into the site.

Ketchupis Ultionis

Jan 18 2014, 09:46 PM

On the subject of Toriyama's validity, I've recently come to the conclusion that Toriyama's excuse about forgetting about tails on Saiyans is complete bull****.
I believe it more has to do with laziness than forgetfulness.

1) How can you forget about tails when your main character had one for several years?
2) Broly was designed with a tail, which is long after tails were eradicated from the series
3) Toriyama's initial sketches of SSj3 Goku gave him a tail.

However, in all practicality, you need to really realize that drawing tails on up to at least 5 characters in the series would suck. So I can understand him not wanting to do it.

TheGmGoken

Jan 18 2014, 09:49 PM

Ketchupis Ultionis

Jan 18 2014, 09:46 PM

On the subject of Toriyama's validity, I've recently come to the conclusion that Toriyama's excuse about forgetting about tails on Saiyans is complete bull****.
I believe it more has to do with laziness than forgetfulness.

1) How can you forget about tails when your main character had one for several years?
2) Broly was designed with a tail, which is long after tails were eradicated from the series
3) Toriyama's initial sketches of SSj3 Goku gave him a tail.

However, in all practicality, you need to really realize that drawing tails on up to at least 5 characters in the series would suck. So I can understand him not wanting to do it.

Let's not forget that Gohan grew his tail back during the Saiyan Arc and Krillin asked what happen to Trunk's tail before Yamcha's say something.

Let's be honest here. He just was lazy. Or he thought there was no need for them in a plot point of view.

Ketchupis Ultionis

Jan 18 2014, 10:01 PM

TheGmGoken

Jan 18 2014, 09:49 PM

Ketchupis Ultionis

Jan 18 2014, 09:46 PM

On the subject of Toriyama's validity, I've recently come to the conclusion that Toriyama's excuse about forgetting about tails on Saiyans is complete bull****.
I believe it more has to do with laziness than forgetfulness.

1) How can you forget about tails when your main character had one for several years?
2) Broly was designed with a tail, which is long after tails were eradicated from the series
3) Toriyama's initial sketches of SSj3 Goku gave him a tail.

However, in all practicality, you need to really realize that drawing tails on up to at least 5 characters in the series would suck. So I can understand him not wanting to do it.

Let's not forget that Gohan grew his tail back during the Saiyan Arc and Krillin asked what happen to Trunk's tail before Yamcha's say something.

Let's be honest here. He just was lazy. Or he thought there was no need for them in a plot point of view.

Even though I agree with you, I don't believe anything canon was ever stated about Trunks's tail.

However, it's similar to a kid that doesn't do they're homework.
They don't tell their teacher they didn't do it (because that would be admitting one was lazy), they just say they forgot it at home to avoid scrutiny. To me, it's the same thing about tails with Toriyama when he was asked about tails.

Sora

 

Let's argue that Tenshinhan was stronger than Krillin all the way. What difference does it make?

TheDoc

Jan 18 2014, 10:07 PM

I agree that Toriyama is more lazy than forgetful. I mean, it's natural to forget somethings of a work if you finished it many years ago. But forgetting important plot points that were relevant for a good chunck of the manga or even worse, forgetting whole characters, can only be labeled as laziness, really. Being lazy was Toriyama's greatest weakness as a writer; he showed signs of it even when writing the manga.

edit: how was Kuririn the most useless human? He is the human who sufferd the least from the whole characters becoming useless thing.