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Toriyama and Nameks
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SSJ	Jan 18 2014, 02:28 AM Post #1
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Do you think he screwed up their design in Dragonball Z? Consider Piccolo Daimao was a Namek, and his children looked far from Namekians, why do you think Toriyama went away from this in Z? Why did he make them all look the same when Daimao's children showed us that they shouldn't have really looked like that.



TheGmGoken	Jan 18 2014, 02:49 AM Post #2
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	Piccolo's children was more or less demons not Namkeians...well full blown namekians.



+ Emmeth	Jan 18 2014, 02:53 AM Post #3
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Toriyama hadn't planned on Piccolo being namekian. At the time, he was just a demon who could spew out children.
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SSJ	Jan 18 2014, 02:53 AM Post #4
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	But did he not create them the same way he create Ma Junior? I don't recall anything being said about the old children being made differently. When a Namek offspring hatches from an egg, it should still be a Namekian. @Emmeth: Sure, but then why would he stray away from that? Nameks all hatch from eggs which I'm assuming Daimao's children did, so he could have at least had some variety later on. Edited by SSJ, Jan 18 2014, 02:54 AM.



+ Emmeth	Jan 18 2014, 02:55 AM Post #5
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	SuperSaiyan2 Jan 18 2014, 02:53 AM @Emmeth: Sure, but then why would he stray away from that? Nameks all hatch from eggs which I'm assuming Daimao's children did, so he could have at least had some variety later on. I guess he saw them being aliens as a better plot-path.
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Vertical	Jan 18 2014, 02:56 AM Post #6
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Piccolo Junior has magic to make clothes. Piccolo Senior can have magic to make demons... or at least possibly corrupt his own Namekian eggs.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Jan 18 2014, 03:15 AM Post #7
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	SuperSaiyan2 Jan 18 2014, 02:28 AM Do you think he screwed up their design in Dragonball Z? Consider Piccolo Daimao was a Namek, and his children looked far from Namekians, why do you think Toriyama went away from this in Z? Why did he make them all look the same when Daimao's children showed us that they shouldn't have really looked like that. Techincally, it could be viewed that way, but I don't really think Toriyama screwed up at all. I think he knew perfectly well what he was doing, but decided to ignore it. It all has to do with the context of the story that that moment in time. Piccolo Daimao when he was first introduced was not an alien being, but an Earthly demon. Toriyama mentioned in an interview that he was writing by the seat of his pants. In other words, a lot of the stuff that happened in the series wasn't planned out. He simply came up with the story as he was releasing the chapters. However, writing in this manner unfortunately is completely prone to major plot holes happening. I can think of several off the top of my head. This, of course, being one of them. This also could explain why he forgot certain things in the series. However, in contrast, I think this had a lot to do with laziness. He simply didn't want to continue with certain aspects, so he simply scrapped them and later forgot about them. For example, I'm under the firm belief that Toriyama simply got lazy and didn't want to draw tails anymore, not that he "forgot" as he stated. Evidence to this is that for several years he drew a tail on his main character. How can you forget tails if your main character had one for several years? Other evidence to this is that he designed both Broly (yes, he designed Broly) and SSj3 Goku with tails (initial sketches). With Broly, he released a note to Toei where he said that it didn't make a difference if they animated Broly with a tail or not. These two designs occurred well after tails had been eradicated from the series. Also we have to consider that drawing a tail on one character is one thing, but four (Gohan, Vegeta, Trunks, Goten) (In addition to Future Trunks, makes 5). That can get tiresome. Back to the Piccolo subject, as I said, he was a demon in that context at that time, not an alien. This is the same reason why he never regenerated his body until Piccolo jr. was born. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jan 18 2014, 03:19 AM.
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+ Kaboom	Jan 18 2014, 04:45 AM Post #8
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	Presumably, the retroactive reason for why King Piccolo's spawn looked the way they did because A) they were evil demon-spawn, and B) King Piccolo himself was an incomplete Namekian at the time. I'm pretty sure that's the OFFICIAL explanation from some source, but I can't remember for sure right now.



~~Professor Gohan~~	Jan 18 2014, 02:01 PM Post #9
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I go with mutated spawn. I don't see a big deal and being capable of doing something like that, especially if they're coming from someone who by definition isn't your full, everyday Namek that you see.



~~The Dragon Slayer~~	Jan 18 2014, 02:22 PM Post #10
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* Ketchup Revenge	Jan 18 2014, 03:39 PM Post #11
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Professor Gohan Jan 18 2014, 02:01 PM I go with mutated spawn. I don't see a big deal and being capable of doing something like that, especially if they're coming from someone who by definition isn't your full, everyday Namek that you see. Indeed. And Piccolo Daimao is special because he's concentrated evil, and only half of a whole being. If you want to take his reproductive ability into context with the rest of the Nameks, there's nothing that states that offspring like that couldn't happen. Unless of course, Namekians need to go into the reproductive phase by intentionally wanting to clone themselves. This could explain the discrepancy between the two. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jan 18 2014, 03:39 PM.
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Baron Samedi	Jan 18 2014, 03:56 PM Post #12
Posts: 187 Group: Member Member #9,458 Joined: May 3, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Afro Samurai What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I like to think that Piccolo had control over appearance and chose more Demon looking spawn for two reasons. 1.To cause fear in appearance. 2. To have destinguishment between the minions and the King. Obviously that's conjecture to make it work in my head, like previously styrd the real reason is that Piccolo wasn't thought of as a Namekian.



Alex D. Boss	Jan 18 2014, 04:04 PM Post #13
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Piccolo's babies were more like demons / Dinasaurs type dudes. When AT came up with an idea about Piccolo's own race , he decided to add Piccolo type namekians , it makes more sense.



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