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Power Levels from a Dragon Slayer
Topic Started: Jan 17 2014, 01:56 PM (3,044 Views)
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Jan 18 2014, 06:20 PM
My god, can you stop being a f***ing crybaby because something isn't how you want it to be in a children's manga? If that's how you're going to be in debates you might as well stop right now and saw everyone the time and effort.
No,it's not that.
Your lack of logic is what make me cry.
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1. E...actually they are? Goku went from 90 000 to 3 000 000 because of plot, Vegeta get from 30 000 to around 400 000 and then to around 2 000 000 because of plot, Piccolo get from being trash to First Form Frieza to over 1 000 000 because of a plot, Piccolo went from being trash to Third From Frieza to SSJ Trunks Tier, Vegeta went from being trash to Initial Final Form Frieza to being stronger than Goku, Kuririn; Tien; and Yamcha went from being a trash to Goku and Piccolo to being a leagues above Raditz because of plot. It would probably suprise you, but yes plot defines everything.
2. If I look at any power levels other than you then 90% of them says Kuririn>Tien. Besides we don't know how much Kuririn really gained besides the fact that his gains was so irrelevant, that author did not even bother himself with mentioning them.
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Jan 18 2014, 06:24 PM
1. E...actually they are? Goku went from 90 000 to 3 000 000 because of plot, Vegeta get from 30 000 to around 400 000 and then to around 2 000 000 because of plot, Piccolo get from being trash to First Form Frieza to over 1 000 000 because of a plot, Piccolo went from being trash to Third From Frieza to SSJ Trunks Tier, Vegeta went from being trash to Initial Final Form Frieza to being stronger than Goku, Kuririn; Tien; and Yamcha went from being a trash to Goku and Piccolo to being a leagues above Raditz because of plot. It would probably suprise you, but yes plot defines everything.
2. If I look at any power levels other than you then 90% of them says Kuririn>Tien. Besides we don't know how much Kuririn really gained besides the fact that his gains was so irrelevant, that author did not even bother himself with mentioning them.
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Jan 18 2014, 06:21 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 18 2014, 06:20 PM
My god, can you stop being a f***ing crybaby because something isn't how you want it to be in a children's manga? If that's how you're going to be in debates you might as well stop right now and saw everyone the time and effort.
No,it's not that.
Your lack of logic is what make me cry.

You don't have to attack his own personal beliefs (actually a damn hard fact). You've become B& now and still can't accept the fact that Krillin is the strongest Earthling.


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Alex KloonBoss
Jan 18 2014, 07:14 PM
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Jan 18 2014, 06:21 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 18 2014, 06:20 PM
My god, can you stop being a f***ing crybaby because something isn't how you want it to be in a children's manga? If that's how you're going to be in debates you might as well stop right now and saw everyone the time and effort.
No,it's not that.
Your lack of logic is what make me cry.

You don't have to attack his own personal beliefs (actually a damn hard fact). You've become B& now and still can't accept the fact that Krillin is the strongest Earthling.


Everyone have his opinion,people put krillin stronger,other put tien stronger.
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Okay... People have rights to their own opinions but if you're going to ask for people to discuss and debate your Power Level list then you need to be prepared for the truth, pretty much. I mean, your arguments hold no weight because they are all mostly your own opinion, conjecture at no end. Seriously.

Now, five pages of this entire thread has been kind of pointless. What the author says goes, I'm just going to throw that out there right now. If someone tried to tell me who was stronger between A & B in my own story, I'd probably rip my hair out from the jackassness that that is, pretty much.

Now, I'm going to leave this open for further discussion for the author of this thread but I feel this really needs to pick up and move on instead of arguing about stuff like what conjecture is and so forth. That takes away from the discussion of what's in the OP.

I honestly feel there's a lot of fixing to do but that's what everyone is here for.

Dragon Slayer, I strongly suggest that you should be ready for truths from some of the facts and constructive criticism if you're looking for work on your Power Level list. But arguing opinion to opinion - opinions that really aren't reasonable - should be brought out in a different way since a Power Level list thread is kinda for the purpose of reaching for the most accuracy.
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Jan 18 2014, 02:33 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 18 2014, 01:03 PM
Do you even know what conjecture means? Your whole "argument" is absolutely atrocious and reeks of fanboyism and ignorance.
Conjecture:an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

Fanboyism? More like Realism.
Tenshinhan was always stronger than Kuririn.The only time he got surpassed by him was during the Freezer saga because of Guru's Boost.
Yeah, and he never surpassed him again because Krillin had such a big league on him :w00t: .
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Jan 18 2014, 02:33 PM
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Jan 18 2014, 01:03 PM
Do you even know what conjecture means? Your whole "argument" is absolutely atrocious and reeks of fanboyism and ignorance.
Conjecture:an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

Fanboyism? More like Realism.
Tenshinhan was always stronger than Kuririn.The only time he got surpassed by him was during the Freezer saga because of Guru's Boost.

You know, we all get it. It's certainly understandable to think Tenshinhan was stronger than Krillin because of his personality, but personality does not dictate strength.
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Jan 18 2014, 02:36 PM
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Jan 18 2014, 01:53 PM
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Jan 18 2014, 11:33 AM
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Jan 18 2014, 11:17 AM
There's much more evidence going in favor of Kuririn in this debate. A statement by the manga, a statement by Toriyama and a power unlock at Namek. Kuririn probably got a lot stronger in Namek, and we don't even know if Tenshinhan's increases were that big in Kaio's planet. We never saw Kuririn trying to hold back Cell, there's no way to know how well he woulf fare. With all this evidence, probably better than Tenshinhan.

Word of God isn't all, i recognize. But when we have Toriyama's word and a character statement on the manga, and we se a whole arc with one character (Kuririn at the Freeza arc) gettin concistently stronger, there's not much going for the other character. Tenshinhan training after the Cell arc doesn't mean anything. Piccolo also trained and his gains were so small that weren't even noted by other vharacters. Why would Tenshinhan be different, really? Goku barely made any increases in base and Super Saiyan? Tenshinhan's training method is better than their?

edit: besides this stuff, i think the power level list is great so far.
what do you mean Goku barely made an increase?
he got almost as 2x times stronger,and more than 10x times after rosat.

Also,Tienshinhan trained after cell arc for 7 years,kuririn gave up fighting because of family.
And yes tienshinhan has one of the best method.The only method is Vegeta's.

The only time kuririn surpassed Tien is in the namek saga.

Aside from that,thanks buddy.
In the Boo arc, we got a statement in favor of Kuririn being the strongest human, mada by Yamcha. We don't have anything in favor of Tenshinan, absolutely anything. If Yamcha's statement isn't enough, there's Toriyama's statement, and plenty of information in suplementar material stating that Kuririn is superior to the other earthlings.

Toriyama wouldn't put a random statement by Yamcha if he didn't intent Kuririn to be the strongest at the Boo arc. As i said before, we don't know how much Tenshinhan trained in the seven year gap, if at all. If much stronger characters with more fighting experience like Piccolo didn't make signigicant increases, i don't see why Tenshinhan could.

edit- i said Goku's base weren't big between the Cell and Boo arcs, not during the Cell arc.
Maybe yamcha said that because Tienshinhan wasn't around.

Goku's base is not that big because the multiplier is 50x base.

If you want to argue specifics, the last time Yamcha saw both of them was at the Cell Games so that's where he'd have based his statement on. You'd have to disprove his statement from there.
Alex KloonBoss
Jan 18 2014, 03:57 PM
IMO , Chiautzu became stronger than Krillin too. Because who says he didn't train those 7 years? He trained with Tien , so he should surpass Krillin too. Thats my own proof.

What do you think KP ?
If constant training leads to great gains, your logic is perfect.
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Jan 18 2014, 05:21 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 18 2014, 05:18 PM
Since I'm at work I'll end this in one foul swoop.

None of what you guys said matters. NONE OF IT. The simple FACT is Tens***hands always trains and gets exponentionally stronger while Krillin didn't train as hard and then finally stopped altogether, where he got a lot weaker. It's illogical and stupid to think Krillin was the strongest, especially when Tien outperformed Android 16 against Cell.

Now bow down.
Yeah,tien holding back cell is a worse feat than what krillin did to cell.

Oh,and let's go believe toriyama,the same toriyama who hasn't work ages on his manga and still talks about it.apparently to him SSJG goku is a "6",Bills a "10" and whis a "15".Bills is more than 50% more powerful than gokuu.

If I may, Krillin got knocked out by Perfect Cell. Tenshinhan got choked out by Artificial Human #17. That must mean Krillin is stronger since he got beaten by a stronger villain, right?

Tenshinhan held back Cell with his Shin Kikoho, a technique Krillin did not possess. If Krillin damaged Cell with a Kienzan that wouldn't be evidence of his superiority because Tenshinhan doesn't know the Kienzan. There's no comparison there and I don't know how you still don't understand that.

Your Movie 14 example was completely shut down already, so there's no need for me to comment on that.
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Jan 18 2014, 05:33 PM
SuperSaiyan2
Jan 18 2014, 05:31 PM
You have no proof. For all we know, Ten could have been doing bicep curls for 10 years, and only increased his arm strength. There is not one iota of proof to say that he surpassed Krillin, it's just the cold hard truth.
Yeah,because training to tienshinhan is only biceps curl.He forgot what we call ki.

You have no way to quantify Ten's training gains. So far all you've done is told us what you want them to be, not given proof of what they were, which is unknown because it's never specified.
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If toriyama stated that Hercule is stronger than kid goku,we must believe it and ignore all of kid goku's feats.

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Jan 18 2014, 06:18 PM
Gracek90
Jan 18 2014, 06:13 PM
But you didn't give a single proof that Tien is stronger, while people literally spamed you with an arguments which actually states that Kuririn>Tien. Your only argument is "Tien was trained so he have to be stronger" it is stupid for two reasons
1. We do not know if kuririn really stoped training
2. Tien didn't have any significant gains from training. It is impossible to him to close over about 90x gap which was made during the Frieza Arc.
1.No the only reasons they gave is "Because toriyama said so" or "plot".
Are those real reasons?

"Plot" is a reasonable explanation, otherwise you'd end up having nothing to explain more than a handful of situations where one fighter was previously weaker than another but suddenly got stronger.
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2.He trained for a year in king kai,he had a better start than goku.If goku got 20 times stronger,then tien would get a lot more.plus he trained more in earth.if you look at any power level lists other than mine you would clearly see that tien is stronger than krillin.

Prove Tenshinhan would get more out of the training.

Using other power level lists to support your point is grasping and not evidence of what's actually true or not. I'm sure there are plenty of lists that have SSj3 Goku stronger than Ultimate Gohan, or Pure Boo stronger than Boohan, SSj3 Goku >=< SSj3 Gotenks, MSSj Goku >= MSSj Gohan (Cell Games), etc. That doesn't mean that's what's true in the manga.
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Jan 18 2014, 06:21 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 18 2014, 06:20 PM
My god, can you stop being a f***ing crybaby because something isn't how you want it to be in a children's manga? If that's how you're going to be in debates you might as well stop right now and saw everyone the time and effort.
No,it's not that.
Your lack of logic is what make me cry.

Grab a tissue.

You're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't make it correct. All you've done so far is rely on "training" as an explanation to keep Tenshinhan ahead of Krillin, when that "training" is a completely unquantifiable aspect past the Saiyan saga.

For a more in-depth analysis, I'd point you to this thread. It covers the whole Z portion of the manga and most of your arguments.

Anyway, since this is getting tiresome, I'll look at the rest of the list again and find something else that might need work.
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The problem with this logic is that it has no logic, you assume same or even hardar traning will always net better gains, not true, even in real life

I do 10 push ups, you do 10 push ups, genetics, diet, and many other factors can make it where I get WAY better gains, get stronger in half the time, and you can spend three times and STILL not reach my level.
So if it bugs you so much think of it this way. Krillan had his potential unlocked, this allowed him to reach higher levels far more easy, and surpass them with less work. Tien just dose not have the same gains as krillan. Just like Vegeta never being able to catch up to Goku
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Alright, why is Mastered Super Saiyan 1.5x stronger than Super Saiyan? I believe I already brought this up, but it isn't a separate form. It's the same as Super Saiyan but with minimal strain.

Goku being 88% of Gohan at the Cell Games is something I don't think flies well. Goku was exacerbated after fighting Cell, who couldn't catch nor injure Gohan until he raised his speed (and even then, injury wasn't happening). Gohan thought Goku's best was tomfoolery.

Trunks and Vegeta didn't use Grade 2 at the Cell Games. Their physical attributes and aura don't match up, and those two buff forms were deemed useless after the initial fight with Cell.

How did the humans make any gains in ten days between the android fights and the Cell Games? They didn't use the RoSaT and we were never even given any indication of them training in the meantime. The only people we know trained were the Saiyans and Piccolo, and even then that was only in the RoSaT.
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Well you know what,i think we can all agree on this:
Krillin vs Tien:
From tien's debut to saiyan saga:Tien wins
From namek saga to cell saga:Krillin wins
buu saga:Even,or krillin wins with difficulty.
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I read a lot of this tread, and dragon I believe you should take facts as more proof than the logic itshelf, believe me I also thought Tien>Krillin but when there's proof to go against me Instaed of assumption, then it doesn't work :) .
And I also have Krillin Prime>Tien Prime.
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I'll maybe make a better list,with ssj multiplier decreasing but still stronger than kaioken.
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You should see the points that were made and reconsider it, that's the best :)
You're SSJ multiplier could remain the same.
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What about the issues I pointed out?
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