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Jan 18 2014, 06:21 PM Post #61 |
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No,it's not that. Your lack of logic is what make me cry. |
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| Gracek90 | Jan 18 2014, 06:24 PM Post #62 |
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1. E...actually they are? Goku went from 90 000 to 3 000 000 because of plot, Vegeta get from 30 000 to around 400 000 and then to around 2 000 000 because of plot, Piccolo get from being trash to First Form Frieza to over 1 000 000 because of a plot, Piccolo went from being trash to Third From Frieza to SSJ Trunks Tier, Vegeta went from being trash to Initial Final Form Frieza to being stronger than Goku, Kuririn; Tien; and Yamcha went from being a trash to Goku and Piccolo to being a leagues above Raditz because of plot. It would probably suprise you, but yes plot defines everything. 2. If I look at any power levels other than you then 90% of them says Kuririn>Tien. Besides we don't know how much Kuririn really gained besides the fact that his gains was so irrelevant, that author did not even bother himself with mentioning them. |
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Jan 18 2014, 06:36 PM Post #63 |
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Oh okay... Sorry for the troubles guys... |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jan 18 2014, 07:14 PM Post #64 |
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You don't have to attack his own personal beliefs (actually a damn hard fact). You've become B& now and still can't accept the fact that Krillin is the strongest Earthling. |
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Jan 18 2014, 07:45 PM Post #65 |
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Everyone have his opinion,people put krillin stronger,other put tien stronger. |
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Jan 18 2014, 07:57 PM Post #66 |
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Okay... People have rights to their own opinions but if you're going to ask for people to discuss and debate your Power Level list then you need to be prepared for the truth, pretty much. I mean, your arguments hold no weight because they are all mostly your own opinion, conjecture at no end. Seriously. Now, five pages of this entire thread has been kind of pointless. What the author says goes, I'm just going to throw that out there right now. If someone tried to tell me who was stronger between A & B in my own story, I'd probably rip my hair out from the jackassness that that is, pretty much. Now, I'm going to leave this open for further discussion for the author of this thread but I feel this really needs to pick up and move on instead of arguing about stuff like what conjecture is and so forth. That takes away from the discussion of what's in the OP. I honestly feel there's a lot of fixing to do but that's what everyone is here for. Dragon Slayer, I strongly suggest that you should be ready for truths from some of the facts and constructive criticism if you're looking for work on your Power Level list. But arguing opinion to opinion - opinions that really aren't reasonable - should be brought out in a different way since a Power Level list thread is kinda for the purpose of reaching for the most accuracy. Edited by Professor Gohan, Jan 18 2014, 08:18 PM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jan 18 2014, 08:00 PM Post #67 |
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Yeah, and he never surpassed him again because Krillin had such a big league on him .
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| + Pyrus | Jan 18 2014, 08:19 PM Post #68 |
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You know, we all get it. It's certainly understandable to think Tenshinhan was stronger than Krillin because of his personality, but personality does not dictate strength.
If you want to argue specifics, the last time Yamcha saw both of them was at the Cell Games so that's where he'd have based his statement on. You'd have to disprove his statement from there. If constant training leads to great gains, your logic is perfect.
If I may, Krillin got knocked out by Perfect Cell. Tenshinhan got choked out by Artificial Human #17. That must mean Krillin is stronger since he got beaten by a stronger villain, right? Tenshinhan held back Cell with his Shin Kikoho, a technique Krillin did not possess. If Krillin damaged Cell with a Kienzan that wouldn't be evidence of his superiority because Tenshinhan doesn't know the Kienzan. There's no comparison there and I don't know how you still don't understand that. Your Movie 14 example was completely shut down already, so there's no need for me to comment on that.
You have no way to quantify Ten's training gains. So far all you've done is told us what you want them to be, not given proof of what they were, which is unknown because it's never specified.
That's twisting the entire concept.
"Plot" is a reasonable explanation, otherwise you'd end up having nothing to explain more than a handful of situations where one fighter was previously weaker than another but suddenly got stronger.
Prove Tenshinhan would get more out of the training. Using other power level lists to support your point is grasping and not evidence of what's actually true or not. I'm sure there are plenty of lists that have SSj3 Goku stronger than Ultimate Gohan, or Pure Boo stronger than Boohan, SSj3 Goku >=< SSj3 Gotenks, MSSj Goku >= MSSj Gohan (Cell Games), etc. That doesn't mean that's what's true in the manga.
Grab a tissue. You're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't make it correct. All you've done so far is rely on "training" as an explanation to keep Tenshinhan ahead of Krillin, when that "training" is a completely unquantifiable aspect past the Saiyan saga. For a more in-depth analysis, I'd point you to this thread. It covers the whole Z portion of the manga and most of your arguments. Anyway, since this is getting tiresome, I'll look at the rest of the list again and find something else that might need work. Edited by Pyrus, Jan 18 2014, 08:21 PM.
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| wolfie | Jan 19 2014, 02:36 AM Post #69 |
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The problem with this logic is that it has no logic, you assume same or even hardar traning will always net better gains, not true, even in real life I do 10 push ups, you do 10 push ups, genetics, diet, and many other factors can make it where I get WAY better gains, get stronger in half the time, and you can spend three times and STILL not reach my level. So if it bugs you so much think of it this way. Krillan had his potential unlocked, this allowed him to reach higher levels far more easy, and surpass them with less work. Tien just dose not have the same gains as krillan. Just like Vegeta never being able to catch up to Goku Edited by wolfie, Jan 19 2014, 02:37 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Jan 19 2014, 03:22 AM Post #70 |
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Alright, why is Mastered Super Saiyan 1.5x stronger than Super Saiyan? I believe I already brought this up, but it isn't a separate form. It's the same as Super Saiyan but with minimal strain. Goku being 88% of Gohan at the Cell Games is something I don't think flies well. Goku was exacerbated after fighting Cell, who couldn't catch nor injure Gohan until he raised his speed (and even then, injury wasn't happening). Gohan thought Goku's best was tomfoolery. Trunks and Vegeta didn't use Grade 2 at the Cell Games. Their physical attributes and aura don't match up, and those two buff forms were deemed useless after the initial fight with Cell. How did the humans make any gains in ten days between the android fights and the Cell Games? They didn't use the RoSaT and we were never even given any indication of them training in the meantime. The only people we know trained were the Saiyans and Piccolo, and even then that was only in the RoSaT. Edited by Pyrus, Jan 19 2014, 03:23 AM.
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Jan 19 2014, 06:04 PM Post #71 |
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Well you know what,i think we can all agree on this: Krillin vs Tien: From tien's debut to saiyan saga:Tien wins From namek saga to cell saga:Krillin wins buu saga:Even,or krillin wins with difficulty. |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Jan 19 2014, 06:07 PM Post #72 |
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I read a lot of this tread, and dragon I believe you should take facts as more proof than the logic itshelf, believe me I also thought Tien>Krillin but when there's proof to go against me Instaed of assumption, then it doesn't work .And I also have Krillin Prime>Tien Prime. |
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Jan 19 2014, 06:17 PM Post #73 |
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I'll maybe make a better list,with ssj multiplier decreasing but still stronger than kaioken. |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Jan 19 2014, 06:34 PM Post #74 |
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You should see the points that were made and reconsider it, that's the best ![]() You're SSJ multiplier could remain the same. |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 19 2014, 07:39 PM Post #75 |
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What about the issues I pointed out? |
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