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Power Levels from a Dragon Slayer
Topic Started: Jan 17 2014, 01:56 PM (3,046 Views)
Alex D. Boss
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IMO , Chiautzu became stronger than Krillin too. Because who says he didn't train those 7 years? He trained with Tien , so he should surpass Krillin too. Thats my own proof.

What do you think KP ?
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"I am the bone of my sword."

There is so much conjecture and refusal of facts in here that's sickening.

Goku gets random rage boosts.

Denial of Krillin>Tenshinhan despite the fact that its literally stated as such by the author himself.
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People still deny that Kuririn's stronger than Tenshinhan?

Nothing Tenshinhan's done proves that he's stronger than Kuririn. The things people like to cite only prove that he's braver. Or more dedicated. Or has a more haxed special attack, and so forth. Not at all that he's stronger.

Meanwhile, for Kuririn, there's...

1) A direct quote in the manga itself,
2) Quotes from assorted guides and promotional material, and
3) A quote from the freakin' original author himself

All saying that he's the strongest Earthling.

And I really don't understand why people have a problem with that. The small meek person becoming stronger than the big tough-looking person is par for the course with Dragon Ball. What makes Tenshinhan special?
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Yeah I don't get it either Kaboom. In my opinion, Tenshinhan was only superior in Dragonball, when he was one of the strongest Z fighters. He was comparable to Krillin in the Saiyan arc, perhaps with a small advantage, but basically equal. In the Namek arc, Krillin definitely gained the upper hand, and not by a small amount. His potential unlock put him in a league of his own, and I see no reason for Tenshinhan to become stronger. He never had his potential unlock, and he trained with an extremely weak fighter. "Training" is no reason for him to become smaller than Krillin.
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The Dragon Slayer
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You know what,krillin is stronger.

Also,gotenks is as strong as his ssj form while training for not even 2 weeks in the hyperbolic time chamber.

Brolly is stronger than SSJ2 Gohan.

Gogeta is 50x times stronger than gotenks.

The only one to get a rage boost is gohan,even though vegeta got one.

Okay sure.i'll change my list.


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Since I'm at work I'll end this in one foul swoop.

None of what you guys said matters. NONE OF IT. The simple FACT is Tens***hands always trains and gets exponentionally stronger while Krillin didn't train as hard and then finally stopped altogether, where he got a lot weaker. It's illogical and stupid to think Krillin was the strongest, especially when Tien outperformed Android 16 against Cell.

Now bow down.

@Post above me: that's disappointing. You got called out on your crappy argument and now you're just being unconvincingly submissive? Come on.
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Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 18 2014, 05:18 PM
Since I'm at work I'll end this in one foul swoop.

None of what you guys said matters. NONE OF IT. The simple FACT is Tens***hands always trains and gets exponentionally stronger while Krillin didn't train as hard and then finally stopped altogether, where he got a lot weaker. It's illogical and stupid to think Krillin was the strongest, especially when Tien outperformed Android 16 against Cell.

Now bow down.
Yeah,tien holding back cell is a worse feat than what krillin did to cell.

Oh,and let's go believe toriyama,the same toriyama who hasn't work ages on his manga and still talks about it.apparently to him SSJG goku is a "6",Bills a "10" and whis a "15".Bills is more than 50% more powerful than gokuu.
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Nobody's trying to belittle Tenshinhan or downplay how much effort he puts into training. I've got no doubt that between the time he spent on Kaio's, the intense training for three years before the Androids, and the seven years of at least casual training between Cell and Boo, and the four years between Boo and Battle of Gods... after all that, he certainly gained quite a lot of power.

It just wasn't quite enough to catch up to Kuririn. Because everything out there with an opinion on the matter says so. That's all there is to it.
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Kaboom
Jan 18 2014, 05:26 PM
Nobody's trying to belittle Tenshinhan or downplay how much effort he puts into training. I've got no doubt that between the time he spent on Kaio's, the intense training for three years before the Androids, and the seven years of at least casual training between Cell and Boo, and the four years between Boo and Battle of Gods... after all that, he certainly gained quite a lot of power.

It just wasn't quite enough to catch up to Kuririn. Because everything out there with an opinion on the matter says so. That's all there is to it.
No,because just AT stated that krillin is stronger,it must be that.

Krillin,who haven't trained for more than 10 years,is stronger than tienshinhan who was training like h*ll for 14 years.

Let's not use logic.
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You have no proof. For all we know, Ten could have been doing bicep curls for 10 years, and only increased his arm strength. There is not one iota of proof to say that he surpassed Krillin, it's just the cold hard truth.
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Jan 18 2014, 05:28 PM
No,because just AT stated that krillin is stronger,it must be that.

Krillin,who haven't trained for more than 10 years,is stronger than tienshinhan who was training like h*ll for 14 years.

Let's not use logic.
Who did or didn't train doesn't prove anything. If Kuririn still had a huge lead on Tenshinhan, which apparently he did, then Tenshinhan simply wouldn't be able to catch up. Piccolo, for example, isn't automatically stronger than SSJ2 Gohan in the Boo arc just because he trained for those same seven years and Gohan didn't. It's the same with Kuririn and Ten.

The Dragon Slayer
Jan 18 2014, 05:21 PM
Oh,and let's go believe toriyama,the same toriyama who hasn't work ages on his manga and still talks about it.apparently to him SSJG goku is a "6",Bills a "10" and whis a "15".Bills is more than 50% more powerful than gokuu.


Attacking the author's credibility isn't going to do anything but make you look bad.

Despite the fact that fans' preconceptions about power gaps don't mean jack sh*t, especially if the original author says something different... while Beerus' (that's his name, by the way, not "Bills") full power is a 10, he only used about 70% of it power against Goku. That was pointed out in the film itself.
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SuperSaiyan2
Jan 18 2014, 05:31 PM
You have no proof. For all we know, Ten could have been doing bicep curls for 10 years, and only increased his arm strength. There is not one iota of proof to say that he surpassed Krillin, it's just the cold hard truth.
Yeah,because training to tienshinhan is only biceps curl.He forgot what we call ki.

If toriyama stated that Hercule is stronger than kid goku,we must believe it and ignore all of kid goku's feats.


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Who did or didn't train doesn't prove anything. If Kuririn still had a huge lead on Tenshinhan, which apparently he did, then Tenshinhan simply wouldn't be able to catch up. Piccolo, for example, isn't automatically stronger than SSJ2 Gohan in the Boo arc just because he trained for those same seven years and Gohan didn't. It's the same with Kuririn and Ten.


Because that's not stated by AT.if he even states that piccoro is stronger than ssj3 gokuu we have to believe it right?
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Attacking the author's credibility isn't going to do anything but make you look bad.

Despite the fact that fans' preconceptions about power gaps don't mean jack sh*t, especially if the original author says something different... while Beerus' (that's his name, by the way, not "Bills") full power is a 10, he only used about 70% of his full power against Goku. That was pointed out in the film itself.


I'm not insulting him or something,i just do like you guys do.believe everything he says even though he didn't work on Dragon ball for ages.
Apparently to him:
Gokuu's full power is 60% "beerus" power,even though it's stated that goku's 80% = Bills 70%.
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Yeah, because Tenshinhan is truly stronger than everyone. The Tenshinhan whose power was so irrelevant in the Boo arc that it isn't even commented about. He probably trained a lot, yeah, but it was not enough for him to be stronger than Kuririn. It wasn's stated by Toriyama 20 years after the manga ended. It's stated in the manga itself. If a author writes something and says one character is stronger than another, why disagree with him? It was Toriyama's intention when he was writing the manga that Kuririn was stronger than Tenshinhan.

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Jan 18 2014, 05:33 PM
SuperSaiyan2
Jan 18 2014, 05:31 PM
You have no proof. For all we know, Ten could have been doing bicep curls for 10 years, and only increased his arm strength. There is not one iota of proof to say that he surpassed Krillin, it's just the cold hard truth.
Yeah,because training to tienshinhan is only biceps curl.He forgot what we call ki.

If toriyama stated that Hercule is stronger than kid goku,we must believe it and ignore all of kid goku's feats.
Obviously that isn't what he did, but my point is that you can prove anything. He could have hit his absolute limits, meaning he could barely make any gains. You simply don't know, and have no way of knowing. Anything else is conjecture, hence why we believe what the author said, and what canon material tells us.
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Jan 18 2014, 05:34 PM
Yeah, because Tenshinhan is truly stronger than everyone. The Tenshinhan whose power was so irrelevant in the Boo arc that it isn't even commented about. He probably trained a lot, yeah, but it was not enough for him to be stronger than Kuririn. It wasn's stated by Toriyama 20 years after the manga ended. It's stated in the manga itself. If a author writes something and says one character is stronger than another, why disagree with him? It was Toriyama's intention when he was writing the manga that Kuririn was stronger than Tenshinhan.

Yeah ok,kuririn is and will always be stronger than tien.

Even if 10 years pass,and all krillin does is eats chips and watch tv is still stronger than tien who trains in 200x times gravity.

Why? It's stated in the manga and by Akira.

What's logic?
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