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Power Levels from a Dragon Slayer
Topic Started: Jan 17 2014, 01:56 PM (3,047 Views)
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Tienshinhan trained with king kai,

Krillin got a plot boost.

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Managed to hold back second form cell.

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People will never stop using this, huh? I remember when Krillin used the Shin Kikoho in the same situation and couldn't hold Cell back at all. Wait, that didn't happen?

Then it's s*** "evidence."
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Are we sure Freeza was suppressed? He only says he wasn't going to use his full power on Nail. That means he can control how much power he puts out. That's not suppression. And when Piccolo sensed him, he was agitated, so he'd probably emit his full power at the time.

Chapter: 286 (DBZ 92), P5.4
Freeza: "My battle power is 530,000. But of course, I don't intend to fight you at full power, so you can relax..."


It seemed like he wasn't at full power, and it was shown when he powered up to fight Vegeta.
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Heck, that plot boost can even be explained. It's Guru's power up still taking effect.
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Jan 17 2014, 11:54 PM
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Tienshinhan trained with king kai,

Krillin got a plot boost.

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Managed to hold back second form cell.

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People will never stop using this, huh? I remember when Krillin used the Shin Kikoho in the same situation and couldn't hold Cell back at all. Wait, that didn't happen?

Then it's s*** "evidence."
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Are we sure Freeza was suppressed? He only says he wasn't going to use his full power on Nail. That means he can control how much power he puts out. That's not suppression. And when Piccolo sensed him, he was agitated, so he'd probably emit his full power at the time.

Chapter: 286 (DBZ 92), P5.4
Freeza: "My battle power is 530,000. But of course, I don't intend to fight you at full power, so you can relax..."


It seemed like he wasn't at full power, and it was shown when he powered up to fight Vegeta.
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Krillin got a plot boost.

Please Explain?

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People will never stop using this, huh? I remember when Krillin used the Shin Kikoho in the same situation and couldn't hold Cell back at all. Wait, that didn't happen?

People will never stop using this because it proves that Tienshinhan is stronger than kuririn,at least he got guts to hold back Cell.

When you prove me that Kuririn is stronger than Tien,i'll maybe update my list.
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Jan 18 2014, 08:11 AM
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Jan 17 2014, 11:54 PM
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Tienshinhan trained with king kai,

Krillin got a plot boost.

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Managed to hold back second form cell.

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People will never stop using this, huh? I remember when Krillin used the Shin Kikoho in the same situation and couldn't hold Cell back at all. Wait, that didn't happen?

Then it's s*** "evidence."
Sora
 
Are we sure Freeza was suppressed? He only says he wasn't going to use his full power on Nail. That means he can control how much power he puts out. That's not suppression. And when Piccolo sensed him, he was agitated, so he'd probably emit his full power at the time.

Chapter: 286 (DBZ 92), P5.4
Freeza: "My battle power is 530,000. But of course, I don't intend to fight you at full power, so you can relax..."


It seemed like he wasn't at full power, and it was shown when he powered up to fight Vegeta.
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Krillin got a plot boost.

Please Explain?

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People will never stop using this, huh? I remember when Krillin used the Shin Kikoho in the same situation and couldn't hold Cell back at all. Wait, that didn't happen?

People will never stop using this because it proves that Tienshinhan is stronger than kuririn,at least he got guts to hold back Cell.

When you prove me that Kuririn is stronger than Tien,i'll maybe update my list.
You mean proof beyond Word of God...repeatedly stating Krillin to be the strongest Human both in-verse and out-of-verse?

The proof you use for Tien is conjecture but I think the biggest whole there is the same thing you use to claim he must be stronger than Krillin. Recall the whole situation that happened when Tien held back Semi Perfect Cell. Remember how Android 16 fared against him? The same Android 16 who was stronger than 17, 18 and Piccolo...who themselves were worlds stronger than the Super Saiyans? Now, unless Tien is stronger than ALL those people, you literally have no argument. "Well it proves that he's stronger than Krillin?" The same "proof" that would prove he was stronger than Krillin would be proof that he was far and away the strongest Z fighter.

The Tri-Beam scene occurred because Toriyama wrote himself into a hole.

There is literally NO proof in the manga that Tien is stronger past the Saiyan arc. And even then, the gap between Tien and Krillin (and Yamcha too for that matter) was pretty much gone.
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Jan 18 2014, 09:16 AM
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Jan 17 2014, 11:54 PM
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Tienshinhan trained with king kai,

Krillin got a plot boost.

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Managed to hold back second form cell.

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People will never stop using this, huh? I remember when Krillin used the Shin Kikoho in the same situation and couldn't hold Cell back at all. Wait, that didn't happen?

Then it's s*** "evidence."
Sora
 
Are we sure Freeza was suppressed? He only says he wasn't going to use his full power on Nail. That means he can control how much power he puts out. That's not suppression. And when Piccolo sensed him, he was agitated, so he'd probably emit his full power at the time.

Chapter: 286 (DBZ 92), P5.4
Freeza: "My battle power is 530,000. But of course, I don't intend to fight you at full power, so you can relax..."


It seemed like he wasn't at full power, and it was shown when he powered up to fight Vegeta.
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Krillin got a plot boost.

Please Explain?

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People will never stop using this, huh? I remember when Krillin used the Shin Kikoho in the same situation and couldn't hold Cell back at all. Wait, that didn't happen?

People will never stop using this because it proves that Tienshinhan is stronger than kuririn,at least he got guts to hold back Cell.

When you prove me that Kuririn is stronger than Tien,i'll maybe update my list.
You mean proof beyond Word of God...repeatedly stating Krillin to be the strongest Human both in-verse and out-of-verse?

The proof you use for Tien is conjecture but I think the biggest whole there is the same thing you use to claim he must be stronger than Krillin. Recall the whole situation that happened when Tien held back Semi Perfect Cell. Remember how Android 16 fared against him? The same Android 16 who was stronger than 17, 18 and Piccolo...who themselves were worlds stronger than the Super Saiyans? Now, unless Tien is stronger than ALL those people, you literally have no argument. "Well it proves that he's stronger than Krillin?" The same "proof" that would prove he was stronger than Krillin would be proof that he was far and away the strongest Z fighter.

The Tri-Beam scene occurred because Toriyama wrote himself into a hole.

There is literally NO proof in the manga that Tien is stronger past the Saiyan arc. And even then, the gap between Tien and Krillin (and Yamcha too for that matter) was pretty much gone.
Any proof.

Still,Tienshinhan was training harder,and was always stronger than kuririn even in Dragon ball.All kuririn did was blast kamehameha waves into the ocean

Android 16 did nothing,he got blasted.and i didn't said Tienshinhan was stronger than than all These people.It was The Shin-Kikoho,who amplied his power.

You take things literally and don't take time to think about it.Now when you get proof that Krillin is stronger than Tien,I'll bow down.
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Son Gokuu - 75,000,000
-Base 100%:150,000,000
-SSJ 50%:3,750,000,000
-SSJ 100%:7,500,000,000
Son Gohan - 85,000,000
-Base 100%:170,000,000
-SSJin 50%:4,250,000,000
-SSJin 100%:8,500,000,000
-SSJin2:34,000,000,000
-SSJin2 Crippled:17,000,000,000
-Father-Son Kamehameha:45,000,000,000
Vegeta - 52,000,000
-ASSJ:5,200,000,000
Trunks:49,000,000
-ASSJin:4,900,000,000
Piccoro - 1,600,000,000
-Unweighted - 4,800,000,000
Tienshinhan - 3,500,000
Kuririn - 3,150,000
Yamcha - 2,450,000
Hercule - 10
Cell Jr. - 4,500,000,000 - 5,000,000,000(Depends on fighters)
Cell - 3,900,000,000
-Against Goku:7,800,000,000
-Against Gohan:8,800,000,000
-A Bit less Supressed(Speed Increase):10,000,000,000
-Full Power:15,000,000,000
-Super Perfect:36,500,000,000
-Solar Kamehameha:42,500,000,000
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There's much more evidence going in favor of Kuririn in this debate. A statement by the manga, a statement by Toriyama and a power unlock at Namek. Kuririn probably got a lot stronger in Namek, and we don't even know if Tenshinhan's increases were that bi in Kaio's planet. We never saw Kuririn trying to hold back Cell, there's no way to know how well he woulf fare. With all this evidence, probably better than Tenshinhan.

Word of God isn't all, i recognize. But when we have Toriyama's word and a character statement on the manga, and we se a whole arc with one character (Kuririn at the Freeza arc) gettin concistently stronger, there's not much going for the other character. Tenshinhan training after the Cell arc doesn't mean anything. Piccolo also trained and his gains were so small that weren't even noted by other vharacters. Why would Tenshinhan be different, really? Goku barely made any increases in base and Super Saiyan? Tenshinhan's training method is better than their?

edit: besides this stuff, i think the power level list is great so far.
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Jan 18 2014, 11:17 AM
There's much more evidence going in favor of Kuririn in this debate. A statement by the manga, a statement by Toriyama and a power unlock at Namek. Kuririn probably got a lot stronger in Namek, and we don't even know if Tenshinhan's increases were that bi in Kaio's planet. We never saw Kuririn trying to hold back Cell, there's no way to know how well he woulf fare. With all this evidence, probably better than Tenshinhan.

Word of God isn't all, i recognize. But when we have Toriyama's word and a character statement on the manga, and we se a whole arc with one character (Kuririn at the Freeza arc) gettin concistently stronger, there's not much going for the other character. Tenshinhan training after the Cell arc doesn't mean anything. Piccolo also trained and his gains were so small that weren't even noted by other vharacters. Why would Tenshinhan be different, really? Goku barely made any increases in base and Super Saiyan? Tenshinhan's training method is better than their?

edit: besides this stuff, i think the power level list is great so far.
what do you mean Goku barely made an increase?
he got almost as 2x times stronger,and more than 10x times after rosat.

Also,Tienshinhan trained after cell arc for 7 years,kuririn gave up fighting because of family.
And yes tienshinhan has one of the best method.The only method is Vegeta's.

The only time kuririn surpassed Tien is in the namek saga.

Aside from that,thanks buddy.
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Do you even know what conjecture means? Your whole "argument" is absolutely atrocious and reeks of fanboyism and ignorance.
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There's much more evidence going in favor of Kuririn in this debate. A statement by the manga, a statement by Toriyama and a power unlock at Namek. Kuririn probably got a lot stronger in Namek, and we don't even know if Tenshinhan's increases were that big in Kaio's planet. We never saw Kuririn trying to hold back Cell, there's no way to know how well he woulf fare. With all this evidence, probably better than Tenshinhan.

Word of God isn't all, i recognize. But when we have Toriyama's word and a character statement on the manga, and we se a whole arc with one character (Kuririn at the Freeza arc) gettin concistently stronger, there's not much going for the other character. Tenshinhan training after the Cell arc doesn't mean anything. Piccolo also trained and his gains were so small that weren't even noted by other vharacters. Why would Tenshinhan be different, really? Goku barely made any increases in base and Super Saiyan? Tenshinhan's training method is better than their?

edit: besides this stuff, i think the power level list is great so far.
what do you mean Goku barely made an increase?
he got almost as 2x times stronger,and more than 10x times after rosat.

Also,Tienshinhan trained after cell arc for 7 years,kuririn gave up fighting because of family.
And yes tienshinhan has one of the best method.The only method is Vegeta's.

The only time kuririn surpassed Tien is in the namek saga.

Aside from that,thanks buddy.
In the Boo arc, we got a statement in favor of Kuririn being the strongest human, mada by Yamcha. We don't have anything in favor of Tenshinan, absolutely anything. If Yamcha's statement isn't enough, there's Toriyama's statement, and plenty of information in suplementar material stating that Kuririn is superior to the other earthlings.

Toriyama wouldn't put a random statement by Yamcha if he didn't intent Kuririn to be the strongest at the Boo arc. As i said before, we don't know how much Tenshinhan trained in the seven year gap, if at all. If much stronger characters with more fighting experience like Piccolo didn't make signigicant increases, i don't see why Tenshinhan could.

edit- i said Goku's base gains weren't big between the Cell and Boo arcs, not during the Cell arc.
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Do you even know what conjecture means? Your whole "argument" is absolutely atrocious and reeks of fanboyism and ignorance.
Conjecture:an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

Fanboyism? More like Realism.
Tenshinhan was always stronger than Kuririn.The only time he got surpassed by him was during the Freezer saga because of Guru's Boost.
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There's much more evidence going in favor of Kuririn in this debate. A statement by the manga, a statement by Toriyama and a power unlock at Namek. Kuririn probably got a lot stronger in Namek, and we don't even know if Tenshinhan's increases were that big in Kaio's planet. We never saw Kuririn trying to hold back Cell, there's no way to know how well he woulf fare. With all this evidence, probably better than Tenshinhan.

Word of God isn't all, i recognize. But when we have Toriyama's word and a character statement on the manga, and we se a whole arc with one character (Kuririn at the Freeza arc) gettin concistently stronger, there's not much going for the other character. Tenshinhan training after the Cell arc doesn't mean anything. Piccolo also trained and his gains were so small that weren't even noted by other vharacters. Why would Tenshinhan be different, really? Goku barely made any increases in base and Super Saiyan? Tenshinhan's training method is better than their?

edit: besides this stuff, i think the power level list is great so far.
what do you mean Goku barely made an increase?
he got almost as 2x times stronger,and more than 10x times after rosat.

Also,Tienshinhan trained after cell arc for 7 years,kuririn gave up fighting because of family.
And yes tienshinhan has one of the best method.The only method is Vegeta's.

The only time kuririn surpassed Tien is in the namek saga.

Aside from that,thanks buddy.
In the Boo arc, we got a statement in favor of Kuririn being the strongest human, mada by Yamcha. We don't have anything in favor of Tenshinan, absolutely anything. If Yamcha's statement isn't enough, there's Toriyama's statement, and plenty of information in suplementar material stating that Kuririn is superior to the other earthlings.

Toriyama wouldn't put a random statement by Yamcha if he didn't intent Kuririn to be the strongest at the Boo arc. As i said before, we don't know how much Tenshinhan trained in the seven year gap, if at all. If much stronger characters with more fighting experience like Piccolo didn't make signigicant increases, i don't see why Tenshinhan could.

edit- i said Goku's base weren't big between the Cell and Boo arcs, not during the Cell arc.
Maybe yamcha said that because Tienshinhan wasn't around.

Goku's base is not that big because the multiplier is 50x base.
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If Kuririn surpassed Tenshinhan at the Freeza arc, what's the reason for that to change in the Cell and Boo arcs? We aren't informed of any signigicant power gains by Tenshinhan. Also, you can't disregard a statement by a character just because Tenshinhan wasn't around. He clearly said Kuririn is the strongest between all humans. I don't see why an author would put a statement in a work if it was completely false.

The thing is, we got statements in the manga, suplementar material and in a interview with the author about Kuririn's strenght. With Tenshinhan, all is assumption.
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Do you even know what conjecture means? Your whole "argument" is absolutely atrocious and reeks of fanboyism and ignorance.
Conjecture:an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

Fanboyism? More like Realism.
Tenshinhan was always stronger than Kuririn.The only time he got surpassed by him was during the Freezer saga because of Guru's Boost.
You're not dealing with one of these pushovers here. I hope you're ready for what's to come.
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I see your point, Krillin stopped training. And that Tien was shown holding back Cell. But that isn't distinct proof. I can see why you'd be inclined t believe it, but when you put conjecture up against a quote. The quote will win. You may not want to accept the quote, but fact trumps opinion, especially in a debate.
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