Was Trunks really that weak?

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Was Trunks really that weak?
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Hearts	Jan 17 2014, 12:00 AM Post #1
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	During the Vegeta vs #18 fight, Trunks intervened and got two shotted, ive always taken this as a fact that Trunks is alot weaker than Vegeta, seeing as Piccolo got taken out in one hit and Trunks in two.. Later after the first ROSAT, Vegeta states that Trunks was slightly weaker than him, and the fact that he got to train with Vegeta would mean that Trunks was pretty strong, even during the Vegeta vs #18 fight.. Why did Trunks get two shotted by #17? Im guessing its because Trunks shot a full powered beam attack right before the fight, he didnt breath heavily or anything but im pretty sure he blew away alot of energy doing that. And I know that these androids are stronger than in the other timeline.. But what do you guys think? Is Vegeta a few levels higher than Trunks or is he only one level higher?



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jan 17 2014, 12:01 AM Post #2
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I don't think Trunks is a lot weaker, but he's certainly noticeably weaker.
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+ Emmeth	Jan 17 2014, 12:02 AM Post #3
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	I always have a 1.25-1.4 gap between Vegeta and Mirai Trunks throughout the Cell arc. Up until the Kami-Piccolo fusion, I have the same difference between Trunks and Piccolo.
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TheGmGoken	Jan 17 2014, 12:12 AM Post #4
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	It's like GOhan during Boo Arc. Everyone knows he's the weakest of the main Saiyans. But the gap isn't HUGE.



* Ketchup Revenge	Jan 17 2014, 12:15 AM Post #5
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Trunks likely didn't do much, if any, training between the time that he went to the past originally, and when he returns "three years later". Just because three years passes in the regular time continuum doesn't mean that three years had passed for Trunks in the altered Future. It could've only been a few weeks, or even less for all we know. Maybe it was the following day. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jan 17 2014, 12:19 AM.
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TheGmGoken	Jan 17 2014, 02:02 AM Post #6
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	Ketchupis Ultionis Jan 17 2014, 12:15 AM Trunks likely didn't do much, if any, training between the time that he went to the past originally, and when he returns "three years later". Just because three years passes in the regular time continuum doesn't mean that three years had passed for Trunks in the altered Future. It could've only been a few weeks, or even less for all we know. Maybe it was the following day. Wait how does even work? When Trunks returned to his timeline....wasn't it like a week later for him? I'm confused.....



+ Pyrus	Jan 17 2014, 02:12 AM Post #7
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	That fight with the androids isn't very good to go off of. Vegeta was basically taken out in two hits as well by No.18, a fighter weaker than her twin brother. What you should be looking at is how everyone else perceives the gap, which can't be much as Goku, Vegeta and Trunks are grouped together more than once (by Piccolo and Kami, if I recall). Also, pay attention to when Vegeta is chasing after No.20 - notice how he cannot outrun or get Trunks off his tail when they're both Super Saiyans, and he's actually trying to considering his annoyance with his son. To add to this, yes, Trunks did get stronger - noticeably so - along with the fighters in the present timeline. He went from "no match" against the androids in his timeline to being able to battle "fairly well" with them. That's all the evidence one needs. Edited by Pyrus, Jan 17 2014, 03:48 AM.
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wolfie	Jan 17 2014, 02:41 AM Post #8
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	Ketchupis Ultionis Jan 17 2014, 12:15 AM Trunks likely didn't do much, if any, training between the time that he went to the past originally, and when he returns "three years later". Just because three years passes in the regular time continuum doesn't mean that three years had passed for Trunks in the altered Future. It could've only been a few weeks, or even less for all we know. Maybe it was the following day. this is why he is an idiot, why not train for x amount of years then show up, you got a time machine you ant be late, i know it could not make to many trips, but he did make one, so unless he went streight there, he could of trained as long as he wants



* Ketchup Revenge	Jan 17 2014, 04:20 AM Post #9
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	TheGmGoken Jan 17 2014, 02:02 AM Ketchupis Ultionis Jan 17 2014, 12:15 AM Trunks likely didn't do much, if any, training between the time that he went to the past originally, and when he returns "three years later". Just because three years passes in the regular time continuum doesn't mean that three years had passed for Trunks in the altered Future. It could've only been a few weeks, or even less for all we know. Maybe it was the following day. Wait how does even work? When Trunks returned to his timeline....wasn't it like a week later for him? I'm confused..... We don't know, but the point being that just because 3 years passed for the regular time line doesn't mean that 3 years passed for Trunks. And even if he stayed for a week in the past, that in no way means that a week passed (in the future) between the time he left for the past, and the time he returned. For all we know, he could've returned a minute after he left. His existence in the future is relative to the setting that he puts into the time machine, and is not relative to how much time he physically spends in the past. In other words, no time needs to pass at all for him to both travel to the past, and return from it. He can pop in and out of a time period as he chooses. He could set his time of leaving and the time of his return so close together that it could almost seem like never left in the first place. I don't really see why he'd stick around waiting in the future if all he had to do was wait for him time machine to recharge. Also we need to consider that no one mentioned anything about his appearance changing from when they last saw him. Trunks got a growth spurt in the ROSAT, and that was the only time that he changed. Kamikaze Pyro That fight with the androids isn't very good to go off of. Vegeta was basically taken out in two hits as well by No.18, a fighter weaker than her twin brother. What you should be looking at is how everyone else perceives the gap, which can't be much as Goku, Vegeta and Trunks are grouped together more than once (by Piccolo and Kami, if I recall). Also, pay attention to when Vegeta is chasing after No.20 - notice how he cannot outrun or get Trunks off his tail when they're both Super Saiyans, and he's actually trying to considering his annoyance with his son. To add to this, yes, Trunks did get stronger - noticeably so - along with the fighters in the present timeline. He went from "no match" against the androids in his timeline to being able to battle "fairly well" with them. That's all the evidence one needs. You just said yourself that the Android curbstomp isn't something really decent to go by. The only evidence that we have of Trunks significantly improving due to training is in the ROSAT with Vegeta, in which a year passed (elapsed, of course). There's no evidence that he was any stronger when he appeared 3 years later than when he appeared previously. And we know that much time hadn't passed in the future because he was still 17 when we see him 3 years later, and still had one more growth spurt to go before he reached his full grown height. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jan 17 2014, 04:38 AM.
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+ Pyrus	Jan 17 2014, 05:04 AM Post #10
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Ketchupis Ultionis Jan 17 2014, 04:20 AM TheGmGoken Jan 17 2014, 02:02 AM Ketchupis Ultionis Jan 17 2014, 12:15 AM Trunks likely didn't do much, if any, training between the time that he went to the past originally, and when he returns "three years later". Just because three years passes in the regular time continuum doesn't mean that three years had passed for Trunks in the altered Future. It could've only been a few weeks, or even less for all we know. Maybe it was the following day. Wait how does even work? When Trunks returned to his timeline....wasn't it like a week later for him? I'm confused..... We don't know, but the point being that just because 3 years passed for the regular time line doesn't mean that 3 years passed for Trunks. And even if he stayed for a week in the past, that in no way means that a week passed (in the future) between the time he left for the past, and the time he returned. For all we know, he could've returned a minute after he left. His existence in the future is relative to the setting that he puts into the time machine, and is not relative to how much time he physically spends in the past. In other words, no time needs to pass at all for him to both travel to the past, and return from it. He can pop in and out of a time period as he chooses. He could set his time of leaving and the time of his return so close together that it could almost seem like never left in the first place. I don't really see why he'd stick around waiting in the future if all he had to do was wait for him time machine to recharge. Also we need to consider that no one mentioned anything about his appearance changing from when they last saw him. Trunks got a growth spurt in the ROSAT, and that was the only time that he changed. Kamikaze Pyro That fight with the androids isn't very good to go off of. Vegeta was basically taken out in two hits as well by No.18, a fighter weaker than her twin brother. What you should be looking at is how everyone else perceives the gap, which can't be much as Goku, Vegeta and Trunks are grouped together more than once (by Piccolo and Kami, if I recall). Also, pay attention to when Vegeta is chasing after No.20 - notice how he cannot outrun or get Trunks off his tail when they're both Super Saiyans, and he's actually trying to considering his annoyance with his son. To add to this, yes, Trunks did get stronger - noticeably so - along with the fighters in the present timeline. He went from "no match" against the androids in his timeline to being able to battle "fairly well" with them. That's all the evidence one needs. You just said yourself that the Android curbstomp isn't something really decent to go by. The only evidence that we have of Trunks significantly improving due to training is in the ROSAT with Vegeta, in which a year passed (elapsed, of course). There's no evidence that he was any stronger when he appeared 3 years later than when he appeared previously. And we know that much time hadn't passed in the future because he was still 17 when we see him 3 years later, and still had one more growth spurt to go before he reached his full grown height. I just provided the evidence. Perhaps I should've included the actual quotes. Chapter: 348 (DBZ 154), P6.1 Context: after Piccolo says Super Saiyan Vegeta might beat No.17 and No.18 Trunks: “I-I was able to become a Super Saiyan too…B-but, I was absolutely no match for them…They’re stupendously strong…” Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.5 Trunks: “They’re also somewhat different from the androids I know…They weren’t as outrageously strong as this…Even I could fight them fairly well…” Before you might claim those two are contradictory, I'll relay that the first is in reference to prior to the three year gap and the second is sometime before he returned to the present. As well as: Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.2 Context: after Kuririn apologies for not joining the fight with No.17 and No.18 Piccolo: “Don’t worry about it. Even Trunks as a Super Saiyan was done in with basically one blow. It wouldn’t have made any difference if you had come.” Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.3-4 Tenshinhan: “Th-this is the man who took down Freeza…And he was helpless before these androids…I’ll be frank…! No matter how strong Goku may be, he shouldn’t be that different from Trunks or Vegeta…” Combined with what I mentioned about Vegeta being unable to lose Trunks in the air, I don't find much to support your position. Most of my info is from this thread, from the jackjack user. Edited by Pyrus, Jan 17 2014, 05:25 AM.
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petewentz	Jan 17 2014, 06:15 AM Post #11
suiteheart Posts: 283 Group: Member Member #10,603 Joined: December 20, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Mononoke-Hime What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	I don't know how this plays into the debate you all are having but aren't the androids from the main time line stronger than the ones from the future?
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+ Pyrus	Jan 17 2014, 07:07 AM Post #12
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	petewentz Jan 17 2014, 06:15 AM I don't know how this plays into the debate you all are having but aren't the androids from the main time line stronger than the ones from the future? People debate this, but I've been long convinced (especially by that thread I linked) that the present artificial humans are quite a bit stronger than the ones from the future. It makes more sense from a narrative point of view, in my opinion.
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+ Clearin	Jan 17 2014, 03:21 PM Post #13
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Vegeta is one of the most durable characters in the series, even if he and Trunks had the exact same PL it would probably take more hits to get him down. #17 is also stronger than #18, so that should factor in too.



Alex D. Boss	Jan 17 2014, 06:01 PM Post #14
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Its not like Vegeta did 'so what' better than Trunks , though. 18 accepted a challenge so she played with him from the beginning , till she didn't liked the way Trunks helped Vegeta , she wanted to end it , period. The gap is not huge neither small. Its a gap where Goku can fit in nicely , whereas Goku is closer than Vegeta , than being closer to Trunks.



* Ketchup Revenge	Jan 17 2014, 06:10 PM Post #15
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Kamikaze Pyro Jan 17 2014, 05:04 AM I just provided the evidence. Perhaps I should've included the actual quotes. Chapter: 348 (DBZ 154), P6.1 Context: after Piccolo says Super Saiyan Vegeta might beat No.17 and No.18 Trunks: “I-I was able to become a Super Saiyan too…B-but, I was absolutely no match for them…They’re stupendously strong…” Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.5 Trunks: “They’re also somewhat different from the androids I know…They weren’t as outrageously strong as this…Even I could fight them fairly well…” Before you might claim those two are contradictory, I'll relay that the first is in reference to prior to the three year gap and the second is sometime before he returned to the present. As well as: Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.2 Context: after Kuririn apologies for not joining the fight with No.17 and No.18 Piccolo: “Don’t worry about it. Even Trunks as a Super Saiyan was done in with basically one blow. It wouldn’t have made any difference if you had come.” Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.3-4 Tenshinhan: “Th-this is the man who took down Freeza…And he was helpless before these androids…I’ll be frank…! No matter how strong Goku may be, he shouldn’t be that different from Trunks or Vegeta…” Combined with what I mentioned about Vegeta being unable to lose Trunks in the air, I don't find much to support your position. Most of my info is from this thread, from the jackjack user. I don't really understand your point, because it still tells us absolutely nothing about Trunks's power 3 years later compared to 3 years prior. All your evidence is circumstantial, and doesn't specifically give us a comparison of his power both before and after. And in addition to this, Piccolo in the Freeza arc said that Goku's power was beyond comprehension. There's no reason to believe that Tenshinhan (who was undoubtedly weaker at this moment in time than Piccolo in the Freeza arc) could've made a legitimate comparison of the power of the Super Saiyans. Also considering that Tenshinhan at that point in time had only seen Super Saiyan Goku twice up until then, and Goku wasn't at full power either time. In addition to this, we don't know how strong 19 was, and Goku was stated by Piccolo to be much weaker against 19 than he should've been. Even if Vegeta managed to get up to 4x Yardrat Goku, that still gives us no evidence that Trunks increased power substantially in that 3 year period. There's also no reason to believe that Vegeta was flying as fast has he could. Given all that, Trunks would still be weaker than Vegeta and still get curbstomped as badly as he did. There's nothing anywhere that gives us a solid example of Trunks increasing power substantially in however long he spent in the future before returning to the past. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jan 17 2014, 06:20 PM.
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