Gracek90

Jan 16 2014, 09:32 PM

Ok. In such topics there is one thing which always makes me wonder what do people have in their mind. Really, please give me one logical explanation for that if you are able to do so. Ok let's start, the whole thing is connected with "Birusu read suppresed Goku power". So you are perfectly fine with the fact that:
- Some random alien is able to perfectly read Goku power, despite the fact that he is heavily supressed
- Kuririn is able to read all hidden power of Perfect Cell despite the fact that he is heavily supressed by taking just one hit

Yet when a freaking God who lives for bilions of years reads Goku power, then you are in constant denial of that. So there is may question. What is the reason for you to belive, that ability of ki sensing of an earthling and a random alien is superior to the ability of a divine being who is thousand times older than both of them combined?

Divine Saiya-jin

Jan 16 2014, 09:22 PM

wolfie

Jan 16 2014, 09:15 PM

The Dragon Slayer

Jan 16 2014, 08:42 PM

Imo It depends on the multiplier.
If it's a huge one,then yes.
If it's small,then they would flick him.
Imo the base saiyans that are stronger than Freezer are either end of Z/GT or Ultimate Gohan

Ultimate gohan is not base

He has to "go ssj" to activate it

He is in base. It's not that he had to go SSJ to activate it. It's that he tried to rev up his ki to SSJ but didn't transform. Which means he was able to use all of his latent power in his base form. No transforming was necessary anymore.

Sir Brofist

Jan 16 2014, 10:43 PM

Yes because from my perspective when No. 18 says Vegeta is nothing much, this isn't actually in terms of his powerlevel. This is actually in terms of No. 18's feministic views taking place and the idea that she's always held this disgust for men and how Gero made her brother, a male, stronger than her. She knew Vegeta was actually pretty darn strong, but she had been through such a sexist life having to constantly offer her body for sex that she declined to offer Vegeta the true merit he actually deserved.

Akira Toriayama directly states that if there's anything he pays attention to, its the dialogue. Vegeta states that even without the SSJ transformation, he's still confident in winning the tournament. This includes against Piccolo and No. 18. Both of whom he knows are vastly stronger than Freeza and he still makes the remark. There's no reason to be arrogant unless there is truth behind it. In fact had he been weaker than Freeza, he'd have been pissed. He'd have been pissed that he was forced to fight only in his base because he'd know that against Piccolo and No. 18 he would have no chance.

But no, instead he proudly announces his superiority and nobody questions it.

wolfie

Jan 16 2014, 11:18 PM

Sir Brofist

Jan 16 2014, 10:43 PM

Yes because from my perspective when No. 18 says Vegeta is nothing much, this isn't actually in terms of his powerlevel. This is actually in terms of No. 18's feministic views taking place and the idea that she's always held this disgust for men and how Gero made her brother, a male, stronger than her. She knew Vegeta was actually pretty darn strong, but she had been through such a sexist life having to constantly offer her body for sex that she declined to offer Vegeta the true merit he actually deserved.

Akira Toriayama directly states that if there's anything he pays attention to, its the dialogue. Vegeta states that even without the SSJ transformation, he's still confident in winning the tournament. This includes against Piccolo and No. 18. Both of whom he knows are vastly stronger than Freeza and he still makes the remark. There's no reason to be arrogant unless there is truth behind it. In fact had he been weaker than Freeza, he'd have been pissed. He'd have been pissed that he was forced to fight only in his base because he'd know that against Piccolo and No. 18 he would have no chance.

But no, instead he proudly announces his superiority and nobody questions it.

He also announced his superiority to Goku, Zarbon, Freiza (like three different times), Android 18, 17, 16, cell, cell again, again cell, buu, and many more

in all of those he loses. him Declaring it and no one disagreeing with it means nothing he has a terrible habit of biting off more then he can chew

He also says he can beat Goku do you think thats the case? if so why did he let him self be controled? simple thing is, he was being hot headed as usal
Remember krillan even says "with out ssj I may stand a chance"
why is Vegetas words any more of a deal then his?

Kamikaze Pyro

Jan 16 2014, 11:35 PM

I really hope you're not one of those "statements don't mean anything if there are no feats to back it up" people like some on Neoseeker. It sounds like you might be if you're disregarding Vegeta based on his history of understandable power comparisons.

Kamikaze Pyro

Jan 16 2014, 11:35 PM

wolfie

Jan 16 2014, 11:18 PM

Sir Brofist

Jan 16 2014, 10:43 PM

Yes because from my perspective when No. 18 says Vegeta is nothing much, this isn't actually in terms of his powerlevel. This is actually in terms of No. 18's feministic views taking place and the idea that she's always held this disgust for men and how Gero made her brother, a male, stronger than her. She knew Vegeta was actually pretty darn strong, but she had been through such a sexist life having to constantly offer her body for sex that she declined to offer Vegeta the true merit he actually deserved.

Akira Toriayama directly states that if there's anything he pays attention to, its the dialogue. Vegeta states that even without the SSJ transformation, he's still confident in winning the tournament. This includes against Piccolo and No. 18. Both of whom he knows are vastly stronger than Freeza and he still makes the remark. There's no reason to be arrogant unless there is truth behind it. In fact had he been weaker than Freeza, he'd have been pissed. He'd have been pissed that he was forced to fight only in his base because he'd know that against Piccolo and No. 18 he would have no chance.

But no, instead he proudly announces his superiority and nobody questions it.

He also announced his superiority to Goku, Zarbon, Freiza (like three different times), Android 18, 17, 16, cell, cell again, again cell, buu, and many more

in all of those he loses. him Declaring it and no one disagreeing with it means nothing he has a terrible habit of biting off more then he can chew

He also says he can beat Goku do you think thats the case? if so why did he let him self be controled? simple thing is, he was being hot headed as usal
Remember krillan even says "with out ssj I may stand a chance"
why is Vegetas words any more of a deal then his?

I really hope you're not one of those "statements don't mean anything if there are no feats to back it up" people like some on Neoseeker. It sounds like you might be if you're disregarding Vegeta based on his history of understandable power comparisons.

wolfie

Jan 16 2014, 11:40 PM

Kamikaze Pyro

Jan 16 2014, 11:35 PM

I really hope you're not one of those "statements don't mean anything if there are no feats to back it up" people like some on Neoseeker. It sounds like you might be if you're disregarding Vegeta based on his history of understandable power comparisons.

No, I'm a person who believes if a guy says he can beat at least three people per arc and dose not, his readability should be in question

Vegeta was THE guy to say he could win and then lose, the whole show long

Krillan also says he has a shot, what do you make of that?

I'm not saying he cant win, its clear he is one of the strongest of them all, but that him SAYING he will win means nothing since he always says that even if he really stood no chance,

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Jan 16 2014, 11:58 PM

If I was to believe the base Saiyans were stronger than Freeza, I'd need some power levels to base a list on. I've tried many times to make a bloated list work but SSJ Goku(Buu) always ends up stronger than SSJ2 Gohan(Buu), and even if he doesn't, SSJ2 Gohan would still lose do to inexperience. I'm interested in making an alternate list to see which version I like more.