SuperSaiyan2

Jan 16 2014, 08:13 PM

Prince boi:

Chapter: 283 (DBZ 89), P11.1-3
Ginyu: "In my estimation, his ability looks like it's about 60,000."
Jheese: "Six... 60,000!? H-he's a Saiyan!! Whoever heard of a Saiyan at 60,000...?!!"
Ginyu: “It’s not impossible. He could be like us, a super-gifted warrior, born as a mutant…Looks like this will be an unprecedentedly entertaining battle…I never thought the time would come for me to show my true power.”

Chapter: 284 (DBZ 90), P14.1
Context: after Goku tells Ginyu to watch his scouter
Ginyu: "Kukkukku... I don't have to look at my scouter. You should most likely be able to raise it up to 85,000."

Ginyu shows us why you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover. He attempted to estimate Goku's power by looking at him, and he was wrong. I see the exact same thing happening with Beerus. Tell me, when does Goku ever walk around using full power? Even if he unsuppressed when Beerus discovered him, there is no way he was using full power. So Beerus was likely judging the suppressed amount he was using after being discovered, and that's if he even was referring to Goku's ki. The fact is, looking at someone does not give you any gauge of how powerful they are.

SuperSaiyan2

Jan 16 2014, 08:27 PM

That's fine if you want to use it as evidence, but others are not wrong for believing that it's not. With implications such as Base Saiyans > Piccolo, it can be impossible for them to be weaker than Freeza. Brofist's post laid that out nicely.

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Jan 16 2014, 08:32 PM

SuperSaiyan2

Jan 16 2014, 08:27 PM

That's fine if you want to use it as evidence, but others are not wrong for believing that it's not. With implications such as Base Saiyans > Piccolo, it can be impossible for them to be weaker than Freeza. Brofist's post laid that out nicely.

I'm not saying the belief Goku surpassed Freeza isn't valid. There's evidence for both sides.

The Dragon Slayer

Jan 16 2014, 08:42 PM

Imo It depends on the multiplier.
If it's a huge one,then yes.
If it's small,then they would flick him.
Imo the base saiyans that are stronger than Freezer are either end of Z/GT or Ultimate Gohan

wolfie

Jan 16 2014, 09:15 PM

The Dragon Slayer

Jan 16 2014, 08:42 PM

Imo It depends on the multiplier.
If it's a huge one,then yes.
If it's small,then they would flick him.
Imo the base saiyans that are stronger than Freezer are either end of Z/GT or Ultimate Gohan

Ultimate gohan is not base

He has to "go ssj" to activate it

Gracek90

Jan 16 2014, 09:32 PM

Ok. In such topics there is one thing which always makes me wonder what do people have in their mind. Really, please give me one logical explanation for that if you are able to do so. Ok let's start, the whole thing is connected with "Birusu read suppresed Goku power". So you are perfectly fine with the fact that:
- Some random alien is able to perfectly read Goku power, despite the fact that he is heavily supressed
- Kuririn is able to read all hidden power of Perfect Cell despite the fact that he is heavily supressed by taking just one hit

Yet when a freaking God who lives for bilions of years reads Goku power, then you are in constant denial of that. So there is may question. What is the reason for you to belive, that ability of ki sensing of an earthling and a random alien is superior to the ability of a divine being who is thousand times older than both of them combined?