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| wolfie | Jan 12 2014, 10:58 PM Post #1 |
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It's no secret that DBZ power levels are at best... down right silly How would you of handled it if you where in charge of it For starters SSJ would NOT be 50x base, this to me is the biggest problem, due to this multiplier, everything would become 100 times as strong as they where like five days ago in order to keep up, then you have to top that, and then that, and before you know it trillion is mer childs play 2nd I would not have such high gains, its not long before gaining 9000 is a total, utter failure. having Frezia at over a million well before he is full powered is over kill. I would rather have it where 900 is a huge increase, so Goku at 9000 *cough8000*cough would only MAYBE increas by 1200 before freiza third any multiplier over 2-5 times is GOING to bite you in the butt, its impossible to keep that anywhere near neat, before you know it your in the millions keep it like that. Clearly I do not like kiaoken times 20 4th make it clear that freiza and a lot of those "planet destroyers" are not destroying the planets due to sheer power, but rather weakness in the planet (hello core) so when goku is 3 times as strong as him its not so weird that his punch don't blow up the entire galaxy In conclusion keep numbers lower, dont do anything above 5 times multiplier (only last forms and maybe fusion should do this), dont make it where at 100,000 you can blow up planets but at a trillion you firing your final attack dose nothing. |
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| TheGmGoken | Jan 13 2014, 01:19 AM Post #2 |
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No matter how you do power levels in the end they will always be silly and full of contradiction. For example. Besides final form nothing above 5 times? That would make the WHOLE universe about as strong as Earth Humans. 900 being a huge increase? Vegeta did 300x training(I think) and Goku did 100x training. 900 is WAAAAY to small. You do realize that when someone is strong they DON'T always destroy the planet because they don't INTEND to. Look what Cell did to the Earth when he INTENDED to destroy it. Look what Boo did. Most character don't even tend to destroy the planet. It's called KI CONTROL. If you keep the numbers low then you have the WHOLE universe being weak and Main villain being as strong as their soldiers unless they transform(I doubt every solider knows Freeza can transform). Imagine if Boo was low and Dabura was able to be on par with him. From a readers point of view I would't be to into the story and realize that Boo's a JOKE. So in all honestly. No matter HOW you work Power levels. They will ALWAYS be silly and filled with contradictions. Make them small. Main Villain is weak. Make them large and you got contradicting gaps. Make them balance and the story gets boring.  If I would to do Power levels I would't have them at all. Remove them. The Z warriors can sense and that's the whole deal with Scouters was that they COULD"T sense. So if you remove them the bad guys STILL can't sense. The story will still go the same as the bad guys will STILL underestimate the heroes as they don't think they're that tough. |
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| petewentz | Jan 13 2014, 01:42 AM Post #3 |
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I would have just made gains harder to get and rather than being multipliers they are additive...take for instance the training in the ROSAT, instead of saying oh Goku and Gohan got 3x stronger, nah they just added on 300 to their PL. This would have made it so that when you get into the tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands adding 1k to your power level would be a huge gain for the training but wouldn't make you exponentially stronger than before but then the villains wouldn't have to be exponentially stronger in order to be a threat, either. Ya dig? I don't care. Edited by petewentz, Jan 13 2014, 01:43 AM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jan 13 2014, 02:18 AM Post #4 |
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I simply wouldn't have done power levels at all, or at least I wouldn't assign numbers to anything. I have a love/hate relationship with power levels. Numbers are simple and easy way of representing one's power, but dealing with numbers can be maddening to say the least. |
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| wolfie | Jan 13 2014, 02:36 AM Post #5 |
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I think you miss the point. In my case they WONT be the same level Just an example: 50 points higher could be way more powerful. So frezzia could be 50,000 at highest A guy may be 45,000 but he is FARRR out classed Keeping tge numbers low dont keep bad guys the same level Instead of bad guys being 300x stronger then others 2x could be impressive Goku at 18,200 (still high) could beat Vegeta at 18,000 Edited by wolfie, Jan 13 2014, 02:54 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Jan 13 2014, 02:47 AM Post #6 |
 
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This, absolutely this. DBZ's kind of ruined a certain aspect of watching...anything. Battle powers are restricting, plain and simple. Keeping a simple hierarchy is so much simpler. If I HAD to change something about battle powers, it'd be that they would be a lot smaller and gained in tiny increments instead of gigantic boosts from multipliers and such. That's when power-creeping seeps in, and then it's downhill from there. Edited by Pyrus, Jan 13 2014, 02:50 AM.
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| wolfie | Jan 13 2014, 02:59 AM Post #7 |
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I agree that it would be more easy to just do away with them, how ever I feel that part of DBZ charm early on was power level, once they did away with it, the show went down IMO. I'm sure there is more to it then just no power levels, but still. |
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| * Crashbreaka | Jan 13 2014, 03:12 AM Post #8 |
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I probably wouldn't have used them either to be honest. Fights were rather predictable because of them. I'm all good with bloated numbers though, they're all pretty much the same to me. |
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| sylentknyte | Jan 13 2014, 03:16 AM Post #9 |
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I like the idea of power levels. However, I think there was too much of a jump in the Frieza saga. It was a pretty slow progression from Raditz to Ginyu, but then the Frieza power levels got ridiculous. Why couldn't max Frieza be in the low millions, say around 5 million, instead of 100+ million? I guess that's why Toriyama got rid of them. I still think he should humor us with an official power level list of every character. It would take what, a few days to make up? |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jan 13 2014, 03:20 AM Post #10 |
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Even if an official list was released, fans wouldn't be so quick to accept it. Yeah, I think a lot of fans would be put at ease, but there are those who will refuse it. |
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| petewentz | Jan 13 2014, 03:26 AM Post #11 |
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I could just imagine the backlash if Toriyama did create a power level list for every character and saga...oh my gosh. I really want this to happen even if it destroys everything I've fought years debating for...it would be so glorious to see the repercussions that It'd worth it. I could see it now; "Toriyama forgot so much of his series I can't trust this" or something like that. Imagine if he had SSj Goku only like 2x base Goku and people flipped out saying "he doesn't even use the official multipliers" how much backlash there would be about something like that... Or what if he really did use the official multipliers and had SSj3 Gotenks legit 400x times stronger than SSj3 Goku...lmao people would flip. It'd be amazing. |
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| sylentknyte | Jan 13 2014, 03:49 AM Post #12 |
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I think hardcore fans think about the details of DBZ more than Toriyama himself. I understand that he is the true Kami of the Z universe, but I don't think he puts much thought into the levels. I still think giving BoDB Goku a power level of 10 makes absolutely no sense when you consider a regular man is a 5. Edited by sylentknyte, Jan 13 2014, 03:50 AM.
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| petewentz | Jan 13 2014, 04:04 AM Post #13 |
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Oh I agree completely. He definitely, definitely, definitely didn't put as much depth into the different levels as we have. Not even strictly power levels but just the different power relationships between characters. There's some really ingenious stuff that us fans debate about and I don't think AT had any concept of any of it. If a man writes a comedy, and intends it to be a comedy but his fans pick up on philosophical themes, does it make it any less philosophical despite the original intention? That's just my stock response to the elitist types that go "you shouldn't argue levels it wasn't that strict Toriyama didn't intend this" and all this stuff...I think we deal with a series that includes fighting. Who would win a fight is going to be a debate fans of this series will always have, and how we go about determining that is in some "unwritten" rules in the series...I don't think they should be as strict as some make, but they do need to exist so that we can have some ground work to figure out an objective way of determining who would win these fights... I'm rambling I know your post didn't imply any of what I'm saying, it just got me to thinking about how certain people act and treat those who do like battle debates. As for the Farmer W/Shotgun...I've always wondered if the Shotgun played any factor in his power reading? If it picks up energy, maybe it picked up the potential energy in the gunpowder or something and because it has killing/destructive potential it picked it up as a 5, including the farmers PL which may be 1? Just questions but I've wondered that. |
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| Vertical | Jan 13 2014, 06:11 AM Post #14 |
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I would've done them exactly the same... so they could be debated for years... allowing my series to live on.... forever..... |
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| wolfie | Jan 13 2014, 06:46 AM Post #15 |
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So maybe he is not as forgetfu as we thought He KNEW we would do this. |
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