Steve

Jan 16 2014, 08:23 PM

Black Star Balls then? Can't remember what limit they have if any.

Maybe wish for Shenron and Porunga to give the Black Star dragon all their power...

Steve

Jan 13 2014, 03:43 PM

xGOKUdaSAVIORx

Jan 12 2014, 11:15 PM

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As for Janemba his reality warping isn't absolute it was never shown that he can copy someone stronger than base Goku and his blade that cuts through everything couldn't cut Goku in half, his reality warping is clearly limited. Add to that that it's Super Janemba who uses the blade so his powers should be even greater but failed to cut Goku up with a direct hit.

If it wasn't shown you can't just believe assume he can't use it on a stronger opponent, because he matched Goku's own Kamehameha Wave with one that equaled the REAL one and, somewhat, scraped and scratched him. And the reason that Super Janemba's sword didn't cut Goku was because he was clearly toying with him, he only went serious at Gogeta. He could still warp your attacks right back at you regardless if you thinks they're limited or not. And he as well can regenerate.

If his reality warping was absolute he would have beat Gogeta.

Fact of the matter is Goku hid behind one of those floating sphere's which was perfectly cut, only the top line of Goku's shoulder was cut and the attack was vertical.
The only thing that blade didn't cut was Goku, because Janemba has limits.

He only shot base Goku's Kamehameha back it him there's no reason to assume he could have fired one back from anyone.
It's not fact that it is all powerful or not actually but you can't assume it is, Janemba can't beat someone with comparable strength with his powers.
This match up imo was sort of like Gohan vs Buutenks in terms of ability gap, not that big but enough to dominate, Janemba's attack couldn't kill him in one blow with that size of a difference.
I agree he was probably toying with him with the slash, but no doubt he wanted Goku's arm off and failed(else he would go for the neck or straight down the middle aiming for a kill.

If Asura was nearly the same strength as Janemba then his reality warping would have some affect but Asura is plainly not at his level.
Also Janemba is stupid even if his reality warping could work on Asura he'd be dead before he got the chance to utilize it.


Doesn't Super 17 absorb the energy from all attacks? I'm sure he takes your energy away if you hit him too so regardless of how strong a punch he absorbs all the energy put in to it.
He would have to be absorbing constantly for hours but I think if it truly has no limits he would power up enough to be able to fight back.

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He only shot base Goku's Kamehameha back it him there's no reason to assume he could have fired one back from anyone.

Barbossa

Jan 18 2014, 07:36 PM

I got the game at last recently, so it's time for a second take from me...

...Annnd I really do feel that no one person in DBZ/GT stands a remote chance at besting Asura, gods and demons aside. If Asura could meet his maker, as it were, an entity that could hurl suns at him merely at a whim, and best him in the end without any 'power ups', then DBZ/GT will need to use everything at hand to stand a chance. I'm digging the Porunga/Shenron giving their power to Black Star Shenron & the Shadow Dragons. Sounds absolutely bonkers, but its the right kind of crazy for this job.

How about DBZ/GT's finest going up against another demi-god from Asura's world though? Maybe pit SSJ4 Gogeta against Pre-Vajra Wyzen, but if he goes all Gongen, Gogeta, sans back-up, could run into trouble very quickly.

xGOKUdaSAVIORx

Jan 19 2014, 12:13 AM

Barbossa

Jan 18 2014, 07:36 PM

I got the game at last recently, so it's time for a second take from me...

...Annnd I really do feel that no one person in DBZ/GT stands a remote chance at besting Asura, gods and demons aside. If Asura could meet his maker, as it were, an entity that could hurl suns at him merely at a whim, and best him in the end without any 'power ups', then DBZ/GT will need to use everything at hand to stand a chance. I'm digging the Porunga/Shenron giving their power to Black Star Shenron & the Shadow Dragons. Sounds absolutely bonkers, but its the right kind of crazy for this job.

How about DBZ/GT's finest going up against another demi-god from Asura's world though? Maybe pit SSJ4 Gogeta against Pre-Vajra Wyzen, but if he goes all Gongen, Gogeta, sans back-up, could run into trouble very quickly.

Asura's regeneration is lower than even lower than Piccolo's on the OBD site. So anything that can be dished out at solar system level will own him since they have him at least star level. So:

DBZ Character that can bust Solar Systems at the very least:

1.Super Perfect Cell (The measuring bar since he's officially stated to be able to)
2.Super Saiyan 2 Kid Gohan
3.Super Saiyan 2 Goku
4.Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta
5.Base Gotenks
6.Good Buu
7.Evil Buu
8.Majin Buu
9.Super Saiyan Gotenks
10.Super Saiyan 3 Goku
11.Super Buu
12.Buff Buu
13.Buutenks
14.Buuhan
15.Super Saiyan Vegito
16.Super Saiyan God Goku
17.Birusu
18.Whis
19.Super Baby Vegeta (GT starting)
20.Oozaro Baby
21.Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Baby saga)
22.Super 17 (post KHHx10)
23.Eis Shenron
24.Nouva Shenron
25.Syn Shenron
26.Omega Shenron
27.SSJ4 Gogeta

twenty seven people who each destroy Asura with even with his regeneration.

Though it's not all truthful imo.

xGOKUdaSAVIORx

Jan 20 2014, 05:59 PM

Two have been stated to destroy the solar system, Super Perfect Cell and Birusu, the former never having accomplished it due to Gohan ending him before he got the chance.

TConnor_Demonic

Jan 20 2014, 06:04 PM

xGOKUdaSAVIORx

Jan 20 2014, 05:59 PM

Two have been stated to destroy the solar system, Super Perfect Cell and Birusu, the former never having accomplished it due to Gohan ending him before he got the chance.

Riiiiight. The largest blast radius we see is ASSJ Vegeta's final flash. which was pretty small compared to the Earth. Meanwhile we saw the blast radius of Cell's KHH...not even continent sized. I'll just leave this here, Boo's KHH only destroyed a tenth of planet Earth. Kid Boo's ball of energy made Goku and Vegeta run in fear of it, yet it only destroyed Planet Earth. They don't have the blast radius, they have the potency.

xGOKUdaSAVIORx

Jan 20 2014, 06:26 PM

TConnor_Demonic

Jan 20 2014, 06:04 PM

xGOKUdaSAVIORx

Jan 20 2014, 05:59 PM

Two have been stated to destroy the solar system, Super Perfect Cell and Birusu, the former never having accomplished it due to Gohan ending him before he got the chance.

Riiiiight. The largest blast radius we see is ASSJ Vegeta's final flash. which was pretty small compared to the Earth. Meanwhile we saw the blast radius of Cell's KHH...not even continent sized. I'll just leave this here, Boo's KHH only destroyed a tenth of planet Earth. Kid Boo's ball of energy made Goku and Vegeta run in fear of it, yet it only destroyed Planet Earth. They don't have the blast radius, they have the potency.

Wow really? That Final Flash would have completely destroyed Earth according to Trunks' statement, if Vegeta didn't guided it well so even though it was small, smaller than even his Big Bang Attack another planet busting move, it was still powerful. I don't recall seeing Cell's because he died you probably meant Gohan's Kamehameha which he likely condense compared to Cell who intended to end not only Earth but the entire solar system. Buu destroyed one tenth with his own Kamehameha because he was holding back, Babidi was still enticed to get to Trunks' house afterall, and Piccolo later said if he wanted he could destroy the entire planet and even the Lookout if he wanted whenever he wish. Kid Buu knows how to control his power, he just stabled the ki in his attack that was intended for Earth stated by Goku, not the solar system, otherwise Good Buu wouldn't have been able to touch him, he was humoring himself to no ends with Goku (after he started to lose his stamina), Vegeta and Good Buu.