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Blonde spiky hair: who had it first?; Sonic or goku?
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jan 11 2014, 11:42 PM Post #16
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Sky Hedgehogian Maestro Jan 11 2014, 11:38 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jan 11 2014, 11:34 PM I did, and I'm sitting here wondering what the fanbase has to do with the quality of the games . Well, don't forget that the fanbase demanded Shadow return, Shadow have his own game, are partially responsible for Sonic 06's early release, helped lead to Unleashed, and ultimately this whole 2D saccharine sweet vibe era we have now (gathered from years of Internet studies, relentlessly learning about Sonic fans). But then again, read the edited post. The fans were not responsible for Sonic 06's premature release. That's a load of bull. I can assure you the fans weren't responsible for the Werehog. The 2D stuff is fine. Sonic 4 was bad because it was just a bunch of rehashed stuff from the genesis era. That and the physics were garbage. The only thing that fans are responsible for is Shadow the Hedgehog. Other than that, they have nothing to do with the quality of the games.
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Topographic Oceans	Jan 11 2014, 11:45 PM Post #17
Posts: 1,788 Group: Member Member #10,681 Joined: January 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Action Comics Favourite Manga Detective Comics	Almost all fanbases have crazy people that hate everything. If a person shouldn't become a fan of something because the fandom is dumb, then people wouldn't be fans of anything. I recognize that the Sonic fanbase is annoying at times. But it's not the only fandom to act like that. edit: on topic, i've heard somehwere that there was an unused sprite for Super Sonic in the original game, but i could be wrong. Edited by Topographic Oceans, Jan 11 2014, 11:46 PM.
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+ Pyrus	Jan 11 2014, 11:50 PM Post #18
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I've heard two things. 1) Super Sonic was inspired by Super Saiyan. An homage, so to speak. 2) Super Sonic was created first conceptually, but came out second (like the whole Critters and Gremlins thing).
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* Crashbreaka	Jan 11 2014, 11:52 PM Post #19
Captain Oblivious Posts: 6,888 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,771 Joined: June 14, 2012 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Onepunch-Man, Gurren Lagann What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Seven Deadly Sins, Food Wars, Onepunch-Man	You should make a Sonic topic in the games section of you wanna continue talking about the games, we're getting a tad off topic. Toriyama seems to me to be the kind of guy that would say "Oh hell yeah I totally took that from Sonic" so I'd probably cast my vote to Toriyama thinking it up by himself. Aren't there a few interviews about the Super Saiyan design floating around too?



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jan 12 2014, 12:09 AM Post #20
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	There are indeed a few interviews on the design of SSJ last I checked. I'll go see what I can find. EDIT: These are the only color and character design things I could find: Quote: Q: Do you think of the color scheme for a character's clothes and body when drawing them in black and white? A: Yeah, that's right, but I don't do it consciously. When I'm applying the color, I think "It was more or less this color". However, with people that I've already drawn in color before, I generally don't go back and check, so sometimes I end up using different colors than I did before. (laughs) Quote: Q: The way that you paint colors has also changed quite a bit. A: Yeah. For example, in the old days I shaded off the light portions on hair, but shading it off took a lot of time. When I made an anime called Kosuke-same Rikimaru-sama (screened at the '89 Jump Anime Carnival, and later become a Jump Video), I looked at the pictures of the animator Toyoo Ashida, and I thought that the anime-style way of applying light and shadow wasn't bad. I made my pictures like that from then on. The truth is, Mr. Ashida is someone that I've always respected. Quote: Q: For color schemes, how do you decide what kind of style to do? Do you just paint various test versions or something? A: I basically just color it once. I decide what color the largest area should be, and it feels like that determines the rest. With Goku or someone else whose colors are already determined, that determines the color of the background that's going to go with them. Quote: Q: When you're drawing a single illustration, are you able to go all the way from sketching it out to painting the color on in mostly one sitting? A: I usually do it in one sitting. When drawing I still put all my effort into it. I become extremely concentrated. I phase out all sounds completely. Some time ago, I was drawing an exact illustration, and the lines were coming out all wavy. I thought "Ah, my hand is crazy, what's wrong with it?" Then the stand started to shake, and I went "What?! That was an earthquake!" (laughs) Even if I lose sleep, I usually keep on working until I'm completely finished. I guess I just couldn't sleep if I left it halfway done. (laughs) It would just keep bugging me. I'd keep drawing in my dreams. When I woke up in the morning I'd go "Ah, I only dreamed that I finished it!" (laughs) Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jan 12 2014, 12:18 AM.
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Andro	Jan 12 2014, 11:27 AM Post #21
Posts: 1,854 Group: Member Member #7,941 Joined: July 13, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None	I'm sure Sonic ripped off DBZ over there. I'm not saying it to bash Sonic or anything. Well, it's not like it's something NEW to say that a series uses DBZ as a template or even rips off. But "ripping off" DBZ is sometimes inevitable. DBZ's cliche has become part of society!!



+ Majin Vegeta	Jan 12 2014, 09:03 PM Post #22
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	I heard from various fans that super sonic was inspired by SSJ and the entire idea of it in general, I'm not sure if its true however.
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Yuli Ban	Jan 12 2014, 09:28 PM Post #23
Posts: 386 Group: Member Member #9,907 Joined: August 14, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon Ball; One Piece; GitS; AKIRA; Yuyu Hakusho; Gunnm; FLCL What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragon Ball; FLCL; Berserk; Durarara!!	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jan 11 2014, 11:42 PM Sky Hedgehogian Maestro Jan 11 2014, 11:38 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jan 11 2014, 11:34 PM I did, and I'm sitting here wondering what the fanbase has to do with the quality of the games . Well, don't forget that the fanbase demanded Shadow return, Shadow have his own game, are partially responsible for Sonic 06's early release, helped lead to Unleashed, and ultimately this whole 2D saccharine sweet vibe era we have now (gathered from years of Internet studies, relentlessly learning about Sonic fans). But then again, read the edited post. The fans were not responsible for Sonic 06's premature release. That's a load of bull. I can assure you the fans weren't responsible for the Werehog. The 2D stuff is fine. Sonic 4 was bad because it was just a bunch of rehashed stuff from the genesis era. That and the physics were garbage. The only thing that fans are responsible for is Shadow the Hedgehog. Other than that, they have nothing to do with the quality of the games. It is certainly not a load of bull. 1- assuming fans affecting quality is automatically bad, I assure you it's happened more often than you think, as 2- It was the fans who wanted Shadow, Tails, and Rouge playable in Sonic Adventure 2 (primarily Tails. In fact, completely Tails. That's the whole reason Shadow and Rouge are even playable in Adventure 2; because the fans wanted Tails playable again, they complied... though probably not getting what they expected. Then they already had Eggman and his new rival, Tails. Why not give Sonic and Knuckles their own rivals?) 3- Fan reaction to Shadow brought him back for Heroes; the weak plot was caused by Sega wanting to introduce as many new fans as possible without overwhelming them with a massive story ala Adventure/Adventure 2 (which, in my eyes, was the worst thing they could've done; that game could've been a massive success if it had a story like Adventure 1) since this was their first major project on non-Sega systems, and across 3 systems at that. Gotta get the casuals, right? 4- I said "partially"; Sonic'06's main cause of problems was Sonic Team themselves, taking up far too many projects and being overwhelmed by next-gen hardware. No one will ever argue that it was all fans' fault. But the fans were going to tear Sega a new one if they didn't release it in '06, so there's that... Sega was barely used to developing for 6th gen consoles when they tried tackling 7th gen. '06 was even supposed to be on the Wii, and not as a port like any sane developer would do but as a fully fleshed game. This while developing Riders, Rivals, Mario and Sonic, Rush Adventure, the Hedgehog Engine... Hence the "partially" part. As in, like, 5% of the reason. 5- Werehog had nothing to do with the fans and fans had nothing to do with it; we were all shocked (and horrified) by it when we first saw it. That was Sega trying to get the kids (succeeded, at critical cost to game) The *Daytime* stages were meant to be a reaction to the fans who wanted gameplay closer to the classic games; that is, fast and 2D oriented. This was just a year or so after the beginning of the age of Genesis Fanboys ruling the future of the franchise. Sonic fans hated Sonic going slow and having a 'Buy One, Get 50 You Didn't Ask For' bargain sale when it comes to his ever bloating number of friends (just going anywhere near Sonic forums between 2006 and 2009 will prove this 50 fold, it is.... PATHETIC how hateful people became towards Sonic's friends); Sega listened, and whittled the number down to just Sonic, Chip (???), Tails, and Amy and gave us speed, glorious speed, too much speed, oh my god this is so absurdly fast speed. And the Werehog. Which led to more fan whining for JUST Daytime stage-typed levels, which gave us Sonic Colors. We almost had the Werehog becoming a recurring staple of the series (seriously, Google it), but the fan reaction to it was so abominably negative (aside from the kids, that is, who loved it) that I'm sure the last thing anyone at Sega of Japan wants to hear right now is "Werehog." 6- Sonic 4... well, enough said. Sadly enough, Genesis fanboys were replaced by people who now just write Sonic off as a failed franchise that gets lucky too often. 7- Oh, you agreed to Shadow. Never mind. 8- Fans complaining about the uber lighthearted stories in Sonic Colors and Generations is currently believed to be the reason why Lost World has hashed in mumblings of being skinned alive and genocide. This may not be true, this may just be the Sonic Team writers honestly trying to be darker. But you can't deny that, after 4 or so years of saccharine light games, at some point they were going to realize that some fans want darker tales. And they gave us one, one I really can't stand, in the form of Lost World. 9- Fans hated Big the Cat. Guess what. The fer's dead and gone. Huzzah. Only 8 is iffy. It's the most recent of them all and remains little more than a rumor created by the usual Hate-Fans. The only thing I think the fans haven't really done to change stuff is the Silver-Blaze ratio. I've seen at least 500+ fans, classic and modern, who love Blaze like she's one of the Genesis crew. I've seen an equal number want to erase Silver from the time stream. Yet Sega pushes Silver like nobody's business and glosses over Blaze. I guess it's just part of some popularization attempt? Other than that, the fans arguably led to some good stuff as well as bad stuff.. I guess maybe 6 is questionable, but that's because Sonic's fanbase is unpleasable. It's why I left. The games weren't working for me anymore and the fanbase was fast becoming a bunch of spoiled brats who tear each other apart just for posting "this game is good." Now that that's been cleared up... Not trying to spite you, be argumentative, or anything. This is just what I've gathered. Edited by Yuli Ban*, Jan 13 2014, 06:33 PM.
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wolfie	Jan 12 2014, 09:34 PM Post #24
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	Andro Jan 12 2014, 11:27 AM I'm sure Sonic ripped off DBZ over there. I'm not saying it to bash Sonic or anything. Well, it's not like it's something NEW to say that a series uses DBZ as a template or even rips off. But "ripping off" DBZ is sometimes inevitable. DBZ's cliche has become part of society!! The problem is Super sonic was out only a few months after SSJ AND AFAIK at the time ssj had no indication of having gold hair (black and white) I'm trying to find the first time SSJ was ever shown in color



+ Pyrus	Jan 12 2014, 09:42 PM Post #25
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Probably a color chapter sometime during the fight with Freeza.
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+ Majin Vegeta	Jan 13 2014, 01:52 PM Post #26
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	wolfie Jan 12 2014, 09:34 PM Andro Jan 12 2014, 11:27 AM I'm sure Sonic ripped off DBZ over there. I'm not saying it to bash Sonic or anything. Well, it's not like it's something NEW to say that a series uses DBZ as a template or even rips off. But "ripping off" DBZ is sometimes inevitable. DBZ's cliche has become part of society!! The problem is Super sonic was out only a few months after SSJ AND AFAIK at the time ssj had no indication of having gold hair (black and white) I'm trying to find the first time SSJ was ever shown in color I believe it was might said by Toriyama himshelf how he wanted to make the SSJ look, perhaps he revealed it how the form would look, either that or what KP said .
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Baron Samedi	Jan 13 2014, 03:33 PM Post #27
Posts: 187 Group: Member Member #9,458 Joined: May 3, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Afro Samurai What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	There are a lot of similarities between the two. Shadow the hedgehog starts off as an evil counterpart who in time becomes an antihero. And the most uncanny is Silver. A hedgehog that travels to the past to repair the future. With similar colouring and hair style to Trunks. And now I've just started thinking a bit more, Knuckles can be seen as Piccolo, their behaviour and attitude are pretty on point. Edited by Baron Samedi, Jan 13 2014, 03:39 PM.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jan 13 2014, 03:50 PM Post #28
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Sonic can even be seen as Vegetto. He's an unbeatable smartass. Though that's definitely pushing it .
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+ Majin Vegeta	Jan 13 2014, 04:03 PM Post #29
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	He's an unbeatable badass on he's own series lol jk, but in all honest hes not that cocky or smart as Vegito.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jan 13 2014, 09:35 PM Post #30
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I beg to differ. Sonic is just as if not more cocky that Vegetto.
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