[Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks: Stuck?

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[Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks: Stuck?
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Vertical	Jan 11 2014, 04:30 AM Post #1
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Just curious on the overall opinion on this subject; Do you believe that [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks could revert to Base form? I suppose it is courteous to give my own opinion when asking others for theirs so: Personally, I do not believe he could.
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wolfie	Jan 11 2014, 04:46 AM Post #2
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	I don't see why not, has there ever been an indication that fusion going ssj is not able to go base?



Vertical	Jan 11 2014, 04:54 AM Post #3
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	wolfie Jan 11 2014, 04:46 AM I don't see why not, has there ever been an indication that fusion going ssj is not able to go base? The thing is, this particular Gotenks didn't transform into SSJ... he was born SSJ. SSJ is his natural form.
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petewentz	Jan 11 2014, 04:57 AM Post #4
suiteheart Posts: 283 Group: Member Member #10,603 Joined: December 20, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Mononoke-Hime What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Too much conjecture...though it's an interesting question... Some might argue that base Gotenks was born base, yet still transformed. They may see no reason why it wouldn't be the same for SSj Gotenks; he is born SSj yet could still power down. Though there is that line about the Potara fusion resulting in SSj Vegito being stuck if Goku and Vegeta were SSjs before fusing...yet some might still argue the mechanics are different for the potara than the fusion dance...sooooooooo Though, it's massive amounts of conjecture Edited by petewentz, Jan 11 2014, 04:58 AM.
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TheGmGoken	Jan 11 2014, 05:00 AM Post #5
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	Why would he not be able to revert? Please explain. Every super saiyan can revert. I don't see why GOtenks would't be able to. It's not like SSJ is a perm transformation. Vertical The thing is, this particular Gotenks didn't transform into SSJ... he was born SSJ. SSJ is his natural form. When Gotenks was first made he was in base. If I recall Trunks and Goten fused while in SSJ forms. So I suppose he could revert as he was just born in the form that his fusions was in when they fused. Edited by TheGmGoken, Jan 11 2014, 05:04 AM.



Vertical	Jan 11 2014, 05:09 AM Post #6
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	petewentz Jan 11 2014, 04:57 AM Too much conjecture...though it's an interesting question... Yea, I realize there's a bit of conjecture involved but it seemed interesting enough to ask people's opinion on the possibility. TheGmGoken Jan 11 2014, 05:00 AM Why would he not be able to revert? Please explain. Every super saiyan can revert. I don't see why GOtenks would't be able to. It's not like SSJ is a perm transformation. Basically this: petewentz Jan 11 2014, 04:57 AM Though there is that line about the Potara fusion resulting in SSj Vegito being stuck if Goku and Vegeta were SSjs before fusing...yet some might still argue the mechanics are different for the potara than the fusion dance...sooooooooo Goku is warned that if he fuses with Gohan as a Super Saiyan, he would be stuck as such. I realize that it was in regard to Potara fusion but believe it to be relevant. Gotenks is born SSJ... I have no idea how higher transformations would work... or even if they could... but I believe that he could not "revert" to Base... because he never had one to begin with. Edited by Vertical, Jan 11 2014, 05:12 AM.
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TheGmGoken	Jan 11 2014, 05:13 AM Post #7
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	Well....that's kinda weird. I remember them saying if you fuse as a SSJ it shorten your lifespan. Gotenks was fused before. It showed his face. It's not like he was re-born. Compared to Vegetto who was being born for the first time.



Vertical	Jan 11 2014, 05:16 AM Post #8
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	TheGmGoken Jan 11 2014, 05:13 AM Well....that's kinda weird. I remember them saying if you fuse as a SSJ it shorten your lifespan. ...due to them being stuck in SSJ. TheGmGoken Jan 11 2014, 05:13 AM Gotenks was fused before. It showed his face. It's not like he was re-born. Compared to Vegetto who was being born for the first time. Unless you believe Gotenks is stored in the void somewhere, he is "born" every time they fuse. Each Gotenks is a separate entity.
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EMIYA	Jan 11 2014, 05:23 AM Post #9
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	It seems to become a point that without training, one can't transform when fused considering Piccolo's shock when Gotenks is able to transform into a Super Saiyan. Then there's Elder Kaioshin's remark that transforming into a Super Saiyan when using the potara will shorten out the life span of the person and if they must, to do so after they fuse. Somehow implying that if a person fused as an SSJ, they wouldn't be able to turn to base. Of course you see more potara/fusion difference. Gotenks couldn't initially transform until went to th ROSAT after fusing. Instead both kids had to start out as SSJs. Vegetto however, without any training with any form of a fusion technique can casually transform.



wolfie	Jan 11 2014, 05:31 AM Post #10
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	Sir Brofist Jan 11 2014, 05:23 AM It seems to become a point that without training, one can't transform when fused considering Piccolo's shock when Gotenks is able to transform into a Super Saiyan. Then there's Elder Kaioshin's remark that transforming into a Super Saiyan when using the potara will shorten out the life span of the person and if they must, to do so after they fuse. Somehow implying that if a person fused as an SSJ, they wouldn't be able to turn to base. Of course you see more potara/fusion difference. Gotenks couldn't initially transform until went to th ROSAT after fusing. Instead both kids had to start out as SSJs. Vegetto however, without any training with any form of a fusion technique can casually transform. I always assumed the power needed to go ssj as a fusion was multiplied, I know it may not work now, but it sounds cool We only have a few fusions in canon and they all are different



Crow	Jan 11 2014, 06:46 AM Post #11
Posts: 446 Group: Member Member #8,668 Joined: December 10, 2012 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z Dragonball	Sir Brofist Jan 11 2014, 05:23 AM It seems to become a point that without training, one can't transform when fused considering Piccolo's shock when Gotenks is able to transform into a Super Saiyan. Then there's Elder Kaioshin's remark that transforming into a Super Saiyan when using the potara will shorten out the life span of the person and if they must, to do so after they fuse. Somehow implying that if a person fused as an SSJ, they wouldn't be able to turn to base. Of course you see more potara/fusion difference. Gotenks couldn't initially transform until went to th ROSAT after fusing. Instead both kids had to start out as SSJs. Vegetto however, without any training with any form of a fusion technique can casually transform. Elder kai could have ment by that statement that if you must go ssj do it after you fuse, because you might be able to beat him in your base, as there's no point doing that if it's not necessary, (being stuck in ssj forever), he might not have necessarily been able to power down after fusion Transforming as well if you look at it like that. Not saying it is, but thought I'd just say another way you could interpret it.



* Ketchup Revenge	Jan 11 2014, 07:07 AM Post #12
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	I've actually wondered this as well. I'm not sure if he could because the boys hadn't mastered how to transform while fused at that time (and in turn, "de-transform"). They didn't learn how to do this until their training in the ROSAT. We also need to consider that Gotenks actually reverted to base prior to splitting after he fought Super Boo at SSj3. This suggests that he at least could at least revert while fused (after ROSAT training), in addition to Goten and Trunks fusing in their bases to form SSj3 Gotenks the final time he was made. Gotenks clearly has more skill transforming after his training than prior to it. Just something to consider also is that is that if Goten and Trunks fused as Super Saiyans, it's possible that the strain from the transformation was heightened as well since he couldn't relax. It's just a theory, but it's possible that Gotenks's massive increase in power from only being in the ROSAT for a few hours could be explained by the fact that Goten and Trunks had learned how to regulate Gotenks's transformed states, and had spent the time mastering them instead of increasing his over-all power. This is primarily what Goku and Gohan did during their ROSAT training, and they improved well above Vegeta and Future Trunks, who each spent over twice as long as Goku and Gohan in the ROSAT. Less strain=More output: Which could explain why Gotenks managed to get so much stronger in only a few hours time. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jan 11 2014, 07:13 AM.
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Crow	Jan 11 2014, 07:40 AM Post #13
Posts: 446 Group: Member Member #8,668 Joined: December 10, 2012 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z Dragonball	Yes but would that make his base a hole lot stronger? Because piccolos remark points that out when saying how much stronger he is in his base, which is his power in general, not just his transformations, i don't know for shore but.



* Ketchup Revenge	Jan 11 2014, 06:36 PM Post #14
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Ghostoku Jan 11 2014, 07:40 AM Yes but would that make his base a hole lot stronger? Because piccolos remark points that out when saying how much stronger he is in his base, which is his power in general, not just his transformations, i don't know for shore but. I assume it would considering that the (possible) training could've been designed more for Gotenks's ki efficiency than actually making him stronger. If he's more efficient, he's already going to be stronger, therefore there would be no need to push themselves and break their backs for increased power. Because if you don't work on efficiency, than you need to force yourself to get stronger, because you have to make up for that inefficiency. This is what Goku and Gohan did, and their bases obviously got stronger as well after they'd completed their training. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jan 11 2014, 06:38 PM.
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MW100	Jan 11 2014, 06:45 PM Post #15
Posts: 74 Group: Member Member #10,168 Joined: September 13, 2013 Favourite Anime the db univers (db/z/gt) What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga dragonball	I don't see why not i mean seriously why wouldn't they be able revert but i guess it depends on the form they were in right after the fusion



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