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Kamikaze Pyro's Dragonball Tier List
Topic Started: Jan 10 2014, 09:14 PM (4,852 Views)
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Jan 11 2014, 05:23 PM
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Jan 11 2014, 05:20 PM
Chapter: 189, P5.2, P6.1
Piccolo: “You think you can win? There’s no way you can…! I’ve…I’ve…leveled up so much that I’m now many times stronger than I was when I fought you 3 years ago…!”
Goku: “Well then, I’ve gotten just a little bit stronger than even that.”


I don't see a reason not to take it literally. If someone said they got multiple phone calls, it would be more than 1. The same should apply here, as there is no reason to believe otherwise.
By that logic, Piccolo Daimao (Young) should be only around 120 in BP. That doesn't make sense.
I've never been one to follow any official numbers, so it isn't much of a worry to me.
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Jan 11 2014, 05:23 PM
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Jan 11 2014, 05:20 PM
Chapter: 189, P5.2, P6.1
Piccolo: “You think you can win? There’s no way you can…! I’ve…I’ve…leveled up so much that I’m now many times stronger than I was when I fought you 3 years ago…!”
Goku: “Well then, I’ve gotten just a little bit stronger than even that.”


I don't see a reason not to take it literally. If someone said they got multiple phone calls, it would be more than 1. The same should apply here, as there is no reason to believe otherwise.
By that logic, Piccolo Daimao (Young) should be only around 120 in BP. That doesn't make sense.

PL's are Bullshet in DB.

Piccolo Young far superior than Piccolo Daimao. Krillin was implied to fight very well against him and was even called a small fry , thinking that taking over the world wouldn't be so easy as he thought. Yamcha , the same one who got complimented by Kami who didn't find Goku @Piccolo Daimao anything special. Both of the humand should be above Piccolo Daimao by now.
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Jan 11 2014, 05:49 PM
PL's are Bullshet in DB.

Piccolo Young far superior than Piccolo Daimao. Krillin was implied to fight very well against him and was even called a small fry , thinking that taking over the world wouldn't be so easy as he thought. Yamcha , the same one who got complimented by Kami who didn't find Goku @Piccolo Daimao anything special. Both of the humand should be above Piccolo Daimao by now.
Why is BP's bs in DB? That's your opinion.

And for the last time, Kami never said anything about Goku fighting Daimao, Popo did.
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As a literalist I can't take the official BP's seriously. If they say Goku got multiple times stronger from Karin's training, then I don't see a way around it. Multiple = more than one, same with many. I don't see how you can tweak the numbers based on nothing, to work around this. The DB numbers just weren't thought up carefully enough, so I don't take them seriously.
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I like to just think Dragon Ball was almost purely about physical levels rather than power levels. When someone gets "many times stronger" they mean their physical strength got many times stronger. Then when DBZ comes around they start working more on using Ki to increase this.
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Jan 12 2014, 01:57 AM
I like to just think Dragon Ball was almost purely about physical levels rather than power levels. When someone gets "many times stronger" they mean their physical strength got many times stronger. Then when DBZ comes around they start working more on using Ki to increase this.
That's something I would argue against.

Chapter: 143, P12.2
Context: when he removes his robes and starts fighting more seriously against Goku
Goku: “I don’t believe this…He ain’t merely strong…His speed and power are both beyond comparison to my own…”


Goku seems to use "power" here separately from strength. Not only this, but we have Goku feeling Daimao's ki as well.

Chapter: 152, P9.4
Goku: “I feel an absolutely incredible demonic ki [youki]…Piccolo Daimao is over there…”

So I think at this point in the series, it is safe to assume when power ups are made, it is referring to overall ki level. I would agree with you if this was earlier in DB, but later on ki does become a factor.

Chapter: 156, P11.1-6
Context: after Goku and Piccolo fight a bit
Piccolo: “You’ve really done it…You’re the first person to ever wound the pride of Piccolo Daimao so much…”
Tenshinhan: “He’s laughing…Wh-why? Does this mean he still has room for composure?”
Goku: “Come at me with all you’ve got! Put out all your strength! Show me your true power!”
Tenshinhan: “Wh-what?! He’s not using his full power!?”
Piccolo: “Oh, I’m impressed that you noticed. But then, you would. My life span shortens when I fight at full power…I didn’t want to use it if at all possible, but…it seems I have no choice…”


As you can see, power ups are still imminent even in DB. Not only this, but Karin clearly tells us that Goku's power has raised, not his strength. Would it be logical to assume that the Super God Water would give Goku some more muscle, and make him stronger? No, it would make sense for it to release his power, or overall ki. The God water for example was a potential unlock, which directly ties into ki potential.

Chapter: 168, P4.2-P.5.1
Yamcha: “That guy’s pretty darn good too…”
Kuririn: “Man, I give up…why does this tournament have to be a collection of such incredible guys?...”
Goku: “Piccolo’s doppelganger, huh?...But his power is way greater than the previous Piccolo…Seems that he’s done some substantial training too…”

Chapter: 171, P13.5
Goku: “Kuririn, watch out. Your match opponent ain’t half-strong. Go all-out from the start.”


Right here we have two quotes using the terms power and strength. It appears that they are used interchangeably at this point in the series. Goku had never fought Piccolo, yet he told Krillin to be cautious, because Piccolo was strong. How would he know how physically strong Piccolo was without fighting him? All he had done was compliment his ki prior to their battles, and saying how much greater his power had become. Then when Piccolo says that he became many times stronger, I can't see any way around it referring to ki.

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Well all these happen in the King Piccolo and 23rd Budokai arc, so I think keeping the PLs low until then lets there be plenty of room to multiply them without going over Z's PLs.
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PL's are Bullshet in DB.

Piccolo Young far superior than Piccolo Daimao. Krillin was implied to fight very well against him and was even called a small fry , thinking that taking over the world wouldn't be so easy as he thought. Yamcha , the same one who got complimented by Kami who didn't find Goku @Piccolo Daimao anything special. Both of the humand should be above Piccolo Daimao by now.
Why is BP's bs in DB? That's your opinion.

And for the last time, Kami never said anything about Goku fighting Daimao, Popo did.

I have my own pwl list too from DB. What I'm saying is using powerlevels from BoZ is useless, because it doesn't fit.

If Popo said something about Daimao , what goes that for Kami? He is above Popo.
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Jan 12 2014, 09:32 AM
If Popo said something about Daimao , what goes that for Kami? He is above Popo.
That irrelevant. Kami didn't say anything, hence your point is mute.
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I may sound stupid, and have quite some time to watch DragonBall, but ChiChi is on the same leaque as Old Piccolo Daimao?
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Jan 12 2014, 09:08 PM
I may sound stupid, and have quite some time to watch DragonBall, but ChiChi is on the same leaque as Old Piccolo Daimao?
Quite possibly. She was a finalist in the the 23rd, almond the likes of Krillin, Ten, etc. obviously she wasn't as strong as them based on her fight with Goku, but she is deserving of being highly ranked.
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I may sound stupid, and have quite some time to watch DragonBall, but ChiChi is on the same leaque as Old Piccolo Daimao?
Quite possibly. She was a finalist in the the 23rd, almond the likes of Krillin, Ten, etc. obviously she wasn't as strong as them based on her fight with Goku, but she is deserving of being highly ranked.
With what feats? The gag fight with Goku?
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I may sound stupid, and have quite some time to watch DragonBall, but ChiChi is on the same leaque as Old Piccolo Daimao?
Quite possibly. She was a finalist in the the 23rd, almond the likes of Krillin, Ten, etc. obviously she wasn't as strong as them based on her fight with Goku, but she is deserving of being highly ranked.
With what feats? The gag fight with Goku?
Chapter: 171, P4.1
Kame-sennin: “I don’t know quite what’s going on here, but that girl is quite a master…Wh-what’s more, [her style] resembles my own Kame-sen School…”

Generally I take statements such as these from Roshi pretty seriously. The apparent "disbelief/shock" in the way he says it is what does it for me. I don't think Roshi would have said something like that if she was weaker than himself at the 22nd.

All we know is that Chi Chi is weaker than Ten and Krillin.
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I may sound stupid, and have quite some time to watch DragonBall, but ChiChi is on the same leaque as Old Piccolo Daimao?
Quite possibly. She was a finalist in the the 23rd, almond the likes of Krillin, Ten, etc. obviously she wasn't as strong as them based on her fight with Goku, but she is deserving of being highly ranked.
With what feats? The gag fight with Goku?
Chapter: 171, P4.1
Kame-sennin: “I don’t know quite what’s going on here, but that girl is quite a master…Wh-what’s more, [her style] resembles my own Kame-sen School…”

Generally I take statements such as these from Roshi pretty seriously. The apparent "disbelief/shock" in the way he says it is what does it for me. I don't think Roshi would have said something like that if she was weaker than himself at the 22nd.

All we know is that Chi Chi is weaker than Ten and Krillin.
He comments on the style, not her power.
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Jan 12 2014, 09:35 PM
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Jan 12 2014, 09:22 PM
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Jan 12 2014, 09:13 PM
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Jan 12 2014, 09:08 PM
I may sound stupid, and have quite some time to watch DragonBall, but ChiChi is on the same leaque as Old Piccolo Daimao?
Quite possibly. She was a finalist in the the 23rd, almond the likes of Krillin, Ten, etc. obviously she wasn't as strong as them based on her fight with Goku, but she is deserving of being highly ranked.
With what feats? The gag fight with Goku?
Chapter: 171, P4.1
Kame-sennin: “I don’t know quite what’s going on here, but that girl is quite a master…Wh-what’s more, [her style] resembles my own Kame-sen School…”

Generally I take statements such as these from Roshi pretty seriously. The apparent "disbelief/shock" in the way he says it is what does it for me. I don't think Roshi would have said something like that if she was weaker than himself at the 22nd.

All we know is that Chi Chi is weaker than Ten and Krillin.
He comments on the style, not her power.
He calls her a master before commenting in her style.
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