Theroy about Trunks and Goten fusion

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Theroy about Trunks and Goten fusion
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petewentz	Jan 10 2014, 01:25 AM Post #31
suiteheart Posts: 283 Group: Member Member #10,603 Joined: December 20, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Mononoke-Hime What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	The manga supports saiyan/human hybrids as having incredible potential, the Daizenshuu states as much and we are shown this through feats as well. Statements, feats and a Daizenshuu reference and yet we still have someone claiming that this is not the case. That Gohan is just "special"... Talk about going through hoola hoops to explain away the SSj kids' potential... Ultimate Gohan is the strongest non-fused character in the series. He isn't full Saiyan. That right there is enough to show me that saiyan genes are not dominant over human genes necessarily but rather they compliment them. Not to mention you glossed over my point; Gotenks has streaks of purple hair, meaning he does contain human genes. Trying to argue "how much" of them is nonsense considering there is absolutely no way to quantify it. At all. Edited by petewentz, Jan 10 2014, 01:26 AM.
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wolfie	Jan 10 2014, 01:32 AM Post #32
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jan 10 2014, 01:19 AM Ok, I still don't see any reason why Gotenks would lose his human genes if he were to fuse. Human genes make him stronger, and he still has partially purple hair. A pure blooded Saiyajin can only have straight black or brown hair. Goku and Vegetas hair changes for both fusions, still black yes, but its not straight, clearly breaking the rules, dont even get me started on Nappa if Goku fused with Napa who knows what would happen The gene may make him stronger but the human by default is weaker then saiyan if only HALF of each is taken which half is taken? can they take half and half of their genes? or maybe the weaker part of the genes is not taken understand? So either it be 25% and 25% or the weaker genes (human) are not used Ultimate Gohan is the strongest non-fused character in the series. He isn't full Saiyan. That right there is enough to show me that saiyan genes are not dominant over human genes necessarily but rather they compliment them. Tell me again how you proved his power and ultimate gohan form is becuse he is hybrid seeing as non of the others EVER show anything close to what Gohan had his whole life your sure jumping through hoops Gohan can go ultmate, he happens to be a half breed, that dont mean all half breeds can go ultmate its like saying since Napa is bald all sayins are bald, show me ONE half breed that shows the same powers that gohan has (having insane reserve es that must be unlocked, or activated by anger you will find non cause there is none cause it has NOTHING to do with him being a hybrid Edited by wolfie, Jan 10 2014, 01:37 AM.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jan 10 2014, 01:40 AM Post #33
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	What are you talking about? Goku and Vegeta's hair never changes color .
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wolfie	Jan 10 2014, 01:45 AM Post #34
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jan 10 2014, 01:40 AM What are you talking about? Goku and Vegeta's hair never changes color . Reread my post, I say it stays the same black but the way it looks is different, and by saiyan logic it should not be able to, but it dose, and then there is nappa It becomes "pointy" like as if they where in ssj, which it should not be able to do. (Yes both are pointy, but the shape of the point is like their ssj forms not like their base forms) Edited by wolfie, Jan 10 2014, 01:46 AM.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jan 10 2014, 01:49 AM Post #35
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	What does that have to do with anything? Vegeta says Trunks can't be a Saiyan because of his hair color in the manga.
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+ Pyrus	Jan 10 2014, 01:51 AM Post #36
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Trunks didn't start using the gravity chamber until we met him in the Boo arc. Chapter: 423 (DBZ 229), P2.4 Context: Bulma talks to Gohan about Trunks Bulma: “[Vegeta] says he’s reached a good age to begin basic training, so he’s teaching him grappling. Apparently he wants to make Trunks even stronger than you.”
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wolfie	Jan 10 2014, 01:56 AM Post #37
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jan 10 2014, 01:49 AM What does that have to do with anything? Vegeta says Trunks can't be a Saiyan because of his hair color in the manga. We KNOW goku and Vegeta hair cant chnage, they are 100% how ever the fusing chnages their hair to as if they where in ssj1 when they where not, in short fusing changed full blooded saiyans hair, in theory it could change color to Goku base fuse with Vegeta = neither of their hair more of their ssj hair result? fusion breaks Saiyn rule on hair Quote: Context: Bulma talks to Gohan about Trunks Bulma: “[Vegeta] says he’s reached a good age to begin basic training, so he’s teaching him grappling. Apparently he wants to make Trunks even stronger than you.” Very well, I'm wrong about the gene, how ever what I'm NOT wrong about is no other half breed ever shows Gohans powers, meaning half bloods dont always go ultmate Edited by wolfie, Jan 10 2014, 01:58 AM.



petewentz	Jan 10 2014, 01:57 AM Post #38
suiteheart Posts: 283 Group: Member Member #10,603 Joined: December 20, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Mononoke-Hime What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	The fusion's hair style can be different because it is neither Goku, nor Vegeta but a new being entirely, though because Vegito is 100% saiyan his hair must always be black. And this is shown to be the case. A full blooded saiyans hair is black. Stated, dang man. And this is NOT contradicted. Vegito is an entirely new saiyan and thus his hair style is his own...but it must still be black because he is fully saiyan. Gotenks has two streaks of purple hair; he has human genes inside of him. It's really simple... and this convoluted math about saiyan genes being stronger than human genes and 25% of each one and all that is just C O N J E C T U R E... Quote: Tell me again how you proved his power and ultimate gohan form is becuse he is hybrid seeing as non of the others EVER show anything close to what Gohan had his whole life your sure jumping through hoops Gohan can go ultmate, he happens to be a half breed, that dont mean all half breeds can go ultmate The ritual the old kai is just a ritual that draws out everyone's full potential. It's not a special power up exclusive to Gohan. He could do the ritual on anyone and bring out their full potential. Gohan's drawn out potential is so great because of him being a saiyan human hybrid, this is stated in the manga and supported in the Daizenshuu, and the SSj kids show this great potential as well as stated in the manga. They don't reach it because they're still just kids when Buu appears...do you understand that? Just because they don't reach their potential doesn't mean their potential isn't still there. Edited by petewentz, Jan 10 2014, 02:00 AM.
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wolfie	Jan 10 2014, 02:02 AM Post #39
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	petewentz Jan 10 2014, 01:57 AM The fusion's hair style can be different because it is neither Goku, nor Vegeta but a new being entirely, though because Vegito is 100% saiyan his hair must always be black. And this is shown to be the case. A full blooded saiyans hair is black. Stated, dang man. Gotenks has two streaks of purple hair; he has human genes inside of him. It's really simple... and this convoluted math about saiyan genes being stronger than human genes and 25% of each one and all that is just C O N J E C T U R E... Quote: Tell me again how you proved his power and ultimate gohan form is becuse he is hybrid seeing as non of the others EVER show anything close to what Gohan had his whole life your sure jumping through hoops Gohan can go ultmate, he happens to be a half breed, that dont mean all half breeds can go ultmate The ritual the old kai is just a ritual that draws out everyones full potential. It's not a special power up exclusive to Gohan. Gohan's drawn out potential is so great because of him being a saiyan human hybrid, this is stated in the manga and supported in the Daizenshuu, and the SSj kids show this great potential as well as stated in the manga. They don't reach it because they're still just kids when Buu appears...do you understand that? Just because they don't reach their potential doesn't mean their potential isn't still there. But Gohan power was ALWAYS there when he got mad, anytime he got mad, even untrained it would burst None of the others, no matter how mad they got showed that power. Understand? Gohan power was ALWAYS form getting mad, the others did not have to get mad, showed no signs of huge boosts while made, they dont have the same power as gohan I KNOW the ritual is for all, that dont mean that if goten and trunks did it they would have the same Vegeta says ONCE while they are fighting, how ever all the others, every one who helps gohan find it that he was ONE of a kind Gohans power? ultmate form and all of that? clear sign of having it is ingress during anger, the others get angry dont increase just they dont have Gohans power The problem is with Gohan it was "always there" no training require, he gets mad, boom you see it in action Goten and trunks get mad, nothing like that happens, this PROVES they dont have it Gohan has a 4 year old, untrained could tap in to it anytime he got mad, gotten and them show no sign of that ever, and they do get mad... quite a lot There is NO other way around it, if ultmate gohan was due to hybrid genes then trunks and goten would use it when they get mad, they did not. Edited by wolfie, Jan 10 2014, 02:10 AM.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jan 10 2014, 02:07 AM Post #40
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	wolfie Jan 10 2014, 01:56 AM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jan 10 2014, 01:49 AM What does that have to do with anything? Vegeta says Trunks can't be a Saiyan because of his hair color in the manga. We KNOW goku and Vegeta hair cant chnage, they are 100% how ever the fusing chnages their hair to as if they where in ssj1 when they where not, in short fusing changed full blooded saiyans hair, in theory it could change color to Goku base fuse with Vegeta = neither of their hair more of their ssj hair result? fusion breaks Saiyn rule on hair Quote: Context: Bulma talks to Gohan about Trunks Bulma: “[Vegeta] says he’s reached a good age to begin basic training, so he’s teaching him grappling. Apparently he wants to make Trunks even stronger than you.” Very well, I'm wrong about the gene, how ever what I'm NOT wrong about is no other half breed ever shows Gohans powers, meaning half bloods dont always go ultmate Why does fusion change how Saiyan genes work? In fact why should fusion change the race of someone when both fusees are half Saiyajin and half human? I see no reason it should do that. I would also like to point out that there is no dominant personality when it comes to the Fusion dance. An entirely new personality is created.
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petewentz	Jan 10 2014, 02:10 AM Post #41
suiteheart Posts: 283 Group: Member Member #10,603 Joined: December 20, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Mononoke-Hime What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Quote: But Gohan power was ALWAYS there when he got mad, anytime he got mad, even untrained it would burst None of the others, no matter how mad they got showed that power. Understand? Gohan power was ALWAYS form getting mad, the others did not have to get mad, showed no signs of huge boosts while made, they dont have the same power as gohan I KNOW the ritual is for all, that dont mean that if goten and trunks did it they would have the same Vegeta says ONCE while they are fighting, how ever all the others, every one who helps gohan find it that he was ONE of a kind Gohans power? ultmate form and all of that? clear sign of having it is ingress during anger, the others get angry dont increase just they dont have Gohans power The problem is with Gohan it was "always there" no training require, he gets mad, boom you see it in action Goten and trunks get mad, nothing like that happens Completely ignored point about the saiyan hair styles and how that doesn't violate any rules; but okay. Since you ignored that I'll ignore this and just repeat myself; "The fusion's hair style can be different because it is neither Goku, nor Vegeta but a new being entirely, though because Vegito is 100% saiyan his hair must always be black. And this is shown to be the case. A full blooded saiyan's hair is black. Stated, dang man. And this is NOT contradicted. Vegito is an entirely new saiyan and thus his hair style is his own...but it must still be black because he is fully saiyan. Gotenks has two streaks of purple hair; he has human genes inside of him. It's really simple..." And by the way, by the time the kids were 7 they showed power far greater than their fathers ever did, in fact they were stronger than their fathers SSj selves as kids...if that doesn't show you great potential I don't know what does. Also the manga states the SSj kids have tremendous potential...aye boy what more do you need? and no I'm not saying that Trunks or Goten would be as strong as Ultimate Gohan were they to receive the ritual, but I am saying that it's likely(and this is assumption but most of your post is lol) if they were to undergo it they'd be stronger than their fathers, the full blooded saiyans. Gohan being the strongest proves that saiyan genes aren't necessarily dominant over human genes, but rather they compliment them. ADDITIONAL COMMENT: Quote: Why does fusion change how Saiyan genes work? In fact why should fusion change the race of someone when both fusees are half Saiyajin and half human? I see no reason it should do that. I would also like to point out that there is no dominant personality when it comes to the Fusion dance. An entirely new personality is created. A+. The onus is on you Wolfie to show manga and Daizenshuu evidence that fusion is gonna rearrange the race of the two participants in the dance...there's nothing but your assumptions to back that notion up and actually visual evidence against it(purple hair) Edited by petewentz, Jan 10 2014, 02:12 AM.
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wolfie	Jan 10 2014, 02:15 AM Post #42
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	petewentz Jan 10 2014, 02:10 AM Gohan being the strongest proves that saiyan genes aren't necessarily dominant over human genes, but rather they compliment them. I ingored them cause if you go up you will see I admitted to being wrong Quote: Very well, I'm wrong about the gene, how ever what I'm NOT wrong about is no other half breed ever shows Gohans powers, meaning half bloods dont always go ultmate Quote: Gohan being the strongest proves that saiyan genes aren't necessarily dominant over human genes, but rather they compliment them. No it dose not, becuse Gohan is showing having a power that NO one else shows, anytime he got made that was his ultimate form, anytime he got mad it would let him have more and more. He is the strongest because of that ability, none of the others EVER show this ability, Gohan always unleashs powers out of anger going 2 3 4 5 6 x higher then he was Goten and trunks get mad? nothing like that happens Gohans power comes form this abillty, this abillty that is shown no where in the kids. YES goten and trunks go ssj faster, but if that was because of being hybrids why did gohan not go ssj anywhere close to their time frame? Why is gohans power directly link to his anger but not trunks and goten? Answer? they dont have the same power as gohan, they may still be stronger but Gohans ultimate form has NOTHING to do with being a hybrid The only logical thing is that A. hybrids MAY have higher function, but its clear gohan is one of a kind, only one with that ability B. Vegeta was wrong when he said it, he assumed it was cause of blood line, but only Gohan ever gets this power, a power that cant hide, cant be untrained, dose not wait, it will happen 100% of the time, so the fact they never do it proves they dont have it. Edited by wolfie, Jan 10 2014, 02:19 AM.



petewentz	Jan 10 2014, 02:20 AM Post #43
suiteheart Posts: 283 Group: Member Member #10,603 Joined: December 20, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Mononoke-Hime What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Gohan kind of did go SSj close to their time frame, he was what? 11 at the time? Maybe wrong. And no Gohan isn't showing his "ability" when he gets mad, he's showing his more potential when he gets mad. He never reaches this potential no matter how angry he gets until the old kai ritual..."no other half breeds go ultimate"...we don't have any time for other half breeds to go ultimate. It's just as likely that the Old Kai would have unleashed the kids' full power and they be stronger than their fathers... It's conjecture, but saying that Trunks and Goten can't reach that level of power is conjecture on your part with no evidence to back it up, but to say that the kids can surpass their fathers in power is conjecture with evidence to back it up...the manga, the daizenshuu and feats. Simple. And yea sorry I missed that part my bad. Well as long as you concede that then I don't have anything more to argue because that was my only stake in this argument was getting you to realize that. But thanks for pointing out that I missed it and thanks for having the humility to admit you were wrong it was pretty simple considering Gotenks has purple hair lol Pronouns killing me lol. Edited by petewentz, Jan 10 2014, 02:22 AM.
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wolfie	Jan 10 2014, 02:23 AM Post #44
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	"Going ultmate" is the only way I know of saying Gohan getting made and getting way more power then he did before he got mad Goha gets mad? he is at 10 he now is at 500 500 gets mad???? 70,000 etc goten and trunks get mad? they get a small boost (As almost anyone seems to) but NOTHING like that this ungoldy boost form being mad is part of Gohans ultmate form, ti was his "whole potential" being leaked out, none of the others do anything close to this. Do you agree Gohans anger unlocks his "potential"? yes or no? Do you agree through out the time it happens ANYTIME he gets mad? yes or no Do you agree trunks and goten get mad plenty and NEVER get this boost? yes or no I'm not saying they cant surpass their parents, I'm saying there is no proof Gohan going ultmate is because he is a hybrid Edited by wolfie, Jan 10 2014, 02:24 AM.



Ripator	Jan 10 2014, 02:42 AM Post #45
Posts: 153 Group: Member Member #10,477 Joined: November 12, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball z What Browser do you use? Google crome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Well it is stated by elder kai that he can unlock anybody hidden potential. Gohan just had a lot more power cause of his hybrid powers. It is stated that hybrids have more potential than normal saiyans. And that thing about krillin and ultimate gohan? Well if its directly stated by toriyama or in the manga, then you can't argue with it. So if toriyama ever came out and said krillin is stronger than any charecter in z, you can't argue w/ it. So if it's stated in the manga that hybrids have amazing potential, the you can't argue w/ it unless it is contradicted. Simple as that.



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