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Theroy about Trunks and Goten fusion
Topic Started: Jan 9 2014, 09:03 PM (3,216 Views)
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So I think most agree fusion results have a lot to do with power and what not and they become a "new" thing, not Trunks, not Goten. I have a theory of the fusion's "race". Many claim that a fusion is dominated by the strongest of the two, taking more of their appearance, race, gender (in theory)
My theory is that the resulting fusion may NOT be a half-breed, if fusion works the way I think it dose, I think the strongest race would be more apparent, so is it possible they are now FULL pure saiyans as both their 50% saiyan fuse together to make 100%?

Or should fusion be a whole new race on to its own?
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Jan 9 2014, 09:03 PM
So I think most agree fusion results have a lot to do with power and what not and they become a "new" thing, not Trunks, not Goten. I have a theory of the fusion's "race". Many claim that a fusion is dominated by the strongest of the two, taking more of their appearance, race, gender (in theory)
My theory is that the resulting fusion may NOT be a half-breed, if fusion works the way I think it dose, I think the strongest race would be more apparent, so is it possible they are now FULL pure saiyans as both their 50% saiyan fuse together to make 100%?

Or should fusion be a whole new race on to its own?
Gotenks has a section of purple hair meaning there is at least some part of his human DNA left in there;

Other than that, I don't think there is too much to say either way. Well and that even if Trunks is the dominant personality within Gotenks he is still half human...and there's not enough information to say fusion would take the traits of the race over the traits of the individual(s).
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Just because both characters are 50% of one thing doesn't mean that 50% of the other thing would disappear upon fusion. That's highly illogical.
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Jan 9 2014, 09:39 PM
Just because both characters are 50% of one thing doesn't mean that 50% of the other thing would disappear upon fusion. That's highly illogical.
yeah, I'm pretty sure if the fusion takes on both of the users identities than Gotenks would be half human and half saiyan.
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Except AFAIK every time someone fuses in every case there is always a chnage based on power (Higher power has more affect on the fusion, the stronger one seems to be "on top") how ever in this case you have two blood lines, one of weak humans and one of strong saiyans, saiyans being stronger, and with fusion showing many times whats stronger decides the out come of fusion makes me wonder if this would work
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Even then, why would they lose their human halves in the fusion? We know that human/saiyan hybrids are stronger than pure Saiyans, so a 100% saiyan Gotenks would probably be weaker than an hybrid Gotenks.
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Jan 9 2014, 09:59 PM
Even then, why would they lose their human halves in the fusion? We know that human/saiyan hybrids are stronger than pure Saiyans, so a 100% saiyan Gotenks would probably be weaker than an hybrid Gotenks.
We do? Gohan was surpassed eveytime (Goku SSJ1 stronger, 2 stronger, reached 3)
Only time gohan really shined was when he reached ssj2 first, but even then he was quikcly surpassed by Goku and Vegeta never reached 3, went to ultimate, a form we have no proof goes to all half breeds.
Furture trunks in no way ever surpasses anyone, shows no indication of being as strong as gohan, who is younger at this time.

My thinking is the strongest parts are used to make a stronger person, saiyan's are stronger then humans so sayian would be used instead of human just like with other fusions we see.
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It's stated more than once in the manga that the hybrids have incredible potential, better than pure Saiyans. Gohan was only surpassed by Goku after the Cell arc because he was to lazy to train. The power he shows after becomig Mystic Gohan is probably above what any pure saiyans can reach. If an hybrid is stronger than a pure Saiyan, it's only logical that Gotenks is an hybrid.

edit: i think the ritual works for everyone, not only for Gohan. It pulls all the potential of the person, and Gohan's is shown to be above the one of an ordinary Saiyan.
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Jan 9 2014, 09:50 PM
Except AFAIK every time someone fuses in every case there is always a chnage based on power (Higher power has more affect on the fusion, the stronger one seems to be "on top") how ever in this case you have two blood lines, one of weak humans and one of strong saiyans, saiyans being stronger, and with fusion showing many times whats stronger decides the out come of fusion makes me wonder if this would work
They'd likely retain their hybrid state because Human/Saiyajin hybrids are stated to be stronger than pure blooded Saiyajins
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Jan 9 2014, 10:13 PM
It's stated more than once in the manga that the hybrids have incredible potential, better than pure Saiyans. Gohan was only surpassed by Goku after the Cell arc because he was to lazy to train. The power he shows after becomig Mystic Gohan is probably above what any pure saiyans can reach. If an hybrid is stronger than a pure Saiyan, it's only logical that Gotenks is an hybrid.
Where is it stated?
Cause Future trunks never shows it, ever. only time anyone MAY be stronger than a pure saiyan is Gohan and again mystic gohan was GOHAN no proof it came form him being a half breed, no one at all ever trys to unlock goten, trunks, future trunks full power.
Only hybrid to show any of that power is Gohan, none of the others ever come close. and one doing it dose not mean they all can.
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Jan 9 2014, 10:16 PM
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Jan 9 2014, 10:13 PM
It's stated more than once in the manga that the hybrids have incredible potential, better than pure Saiyans. Gohan was only surpassed by Goku after the Cell arc because he was to lazy to train. The power he shows after becomig Mystic Gohan is probably above what any pure saiyans can reach. If an hybrid is stronger than a pure Saiyan, it's only logical that Gotenks is an hybrid.
Where is it stated?
Cause Future trunks never shows it, ever. only time anyone MAY be stronger is Gohan and again mystic gohan was GOHAN no proof it came form him being a half breed, no one at all ever trys to unlock goten, trunks, future trunks full power.
Only hybrid to show any of that power is Gohan, none of the others ever come close.
Well, Nappa acknowledges as much in the VIZ translation. I'm not sure about the original Japanese. However, it's also stated in the Daizenshuu 4:
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The tailless second generation are super ultra child prodigies.
Saiyan genes have an extraordinarily good compatibility with Earthling blood. Because of this, when the two races are mixed together children with formidable power are born. Particularly, those Halflings born without tails hide an exceptional battle power. There are many things that they naturally master from a young age, such as the ordinarily arduous transformation into a Super Saiyan. In spite of having such an outstanding battle sense, they do not have a fondness for battle like a pure Saiyan. Instead, it seems that the violent temperament of the Saiyan has been relaxed through their Earthling blood.
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Vegeta states shortly after departing to earth, and nothing in the series contradicts it, in fact, there's more than enough evidence that suports it, like the fact that Gohan's potential was far beyond the one of any pure saiyan. Goten and Trunks probably have a great potential too, after all, they turned into Super Saiyans with barely no effort at a young age. There's plenty of things taht proof that an hybrid is stronger than a pure saiyan.

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I doubt the original shows it, I'm very sure that's added later in translations and not of the original work. How would Nappa even know?

I'd be fine with it, if it ever showed it, but honestly it did not, yes all the kids went SSJ way faster, but they had tougher people to train with, where born of powerful parents, and had training form the best. to put shortly they had a bunch of short cuts that goku and them did not. Look at gohan, he is a half breed, the ONLY one to show having this power and it took him way longer to unlock it, still faster but again non of the others show the rage or the power of gohan who took longer to transform to ssj and the only one to go ssj2

Maybe it is true, but honestly its not shown at all. the one WITH the power did not become SSJ as young as the others, still fast but not anywhere near theirs. and then future trunks shows none of that either.

if its true, or used its defeintly full of problems and plot holes (I'm used to those, its just part of dbz)

Gohan? the strongest of them all? slower then them by a long shot
Futre trunks? nonthing at all
Goten and trunks kids? ssj1 fast but no sign of Gohans rage ever

conflicting results with each hybrid
Trunks was NOT strong then the pure bloods
Gohan was the only one to ever truly reach it, and no proof his ultmate form is for all half breeds.
So the strongest of them all, gets it form an ability that is never shown or proven to be for anyone but him
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It's on the strenght checker, that is translated directly from japanese, and it's one of the most reliable DB sources.

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Chapter: 204 (DBZ 10), P12.1-2
Vegeta: “At any rate, the battle power of Kakarot’s son is unusually high, even by the standards of Saiyan children.”
Nappa: “Maybe his reading was wrong.”
Vegeta: “No, it wasn’t wrong. Raditz really took a large amount of damage from that brat’s attack. It seems that mixing Saiyan and Earthling blood begets a powerful hybrid.”


edit: Goten, Trunks and the future Trunks don't show the same power as Gohan because we don't see them in their full potential, as we see with Gohan.
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Well balls, looks like Vegeta said it. I was off a bit :lol: .
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