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Characters becoming useless, a bad thing?
Tweet Topic Started: Jan 9 2014, 12:36 AM (2,435 Views)
Alex D. Boss	Jan 9 2014, 07:30 PM Post #16
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Yajirobe was useful in Saiyan Arc. Krillin was useful in Frieza Arc. Piccolo was useful in every single Arc. Tien was useful in Cell Arc. Satan was useful in Boo Arc. I don't believe the Z fighters becoming useless.



Andro	Jan 9 2014, 08:41 PM Post #17
Posts: 1,854 Group: Member Member #7,941 Joined: July 13, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None	It is a bad thing for people who might have gotten attached to these characters.



~~gogito~~	Jan 9 2014, 09:51 PM Post #18
Saiyan Posts: 115 Group: Suspended Member #10,539 Joined: November 27, 2013 Gender Male	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jan 9 2014, 01:09 AM They're there because it makes sense for them to be there. Krillin might not be of any use, but it's in his character to fight despite being outclassed. I'd call bull sh** if he wasn't there. same here. because not only for that reason, but for the reason that Krillin has been with Goku virtually since he became training to be a martial artist. I would make absolutely no sense to have someone like Krillin be ousted from the story. He's Goku's best friend, from the beginning to the end



wolfie	Jan 9 2014, 10:42 PM Post #19
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	gogito Jan 9 2014, 09:51 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jan 9 2014, 01:09 AM They're there because it makes sense for them to be there. Krillin might not be of any use, but it's in his character to fight despite being outclassed. I'd call bull sh if he wasn't there. same here. because not only for that reason, but for the reason that Krillin has been with Goku virtually since he became training to be a martial artist. I would make absolutely no sense to have someone like Krillin be ousted from the story. He's Goku's best friend, from the beginning to the end I'm not so sure, I always felt Vegeta took over after buu Besides krillin for the most part was handle WAYYY better then the others. Edited by wolfie**, Jan 9 2014, 10:43 PM.



Rock_The_Dragon	Jan 10 2014, 01:32 AM Post #20
Posts: 83 Group: Member Member #7,565 Joined: April 24, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Andro Jan 9 2014, 08:41 PM It is a bad thing for people who might have gotten attached to these characters. This is exactly why the "uselessness" of the humans/Piccolo didn't bug me. Yamcha was just there for me, Tien became mostly uninteresting after his arc, I never found Master Roshi's pervertedness all that hilarious, Bulma only became tolerable once the Android saga hit, etc. The only ones I really do like are Krillin and Piccolo, both of whom which got plenty of screen-time in Z.



+ Majin Vegeta	Jan 12 2014, 08:21 PM Post #21
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	I believe every Charatcer or almost everyone took a bit of spotlight, only a few were useless and that's because they pretty muxh coukdt keep up without some sort if transformation. -Krillin followed the story for a long time -Tien as well, he also had the Kikoho moment -Piccolo was close to the saiyans all the way to the Buu arc when he stopped comparing then
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


Muyasuki	Jan 12 2014, 11:26 PM Post #22
Posts: 743 Group: Member Member #6,973 Joined: November 12, 2011	The main reason this is a problem is due to Dragonball changing from fights being determined by skill to fights being determined by power. That and the transformations...give Piccolo credit though...he lasted until the next Super Saiyan transformation was introduced. This problem itself could have been mitigated through more group fights or even better, less transformations for Saiyans. I would have loved to have seen more fights with the non-Saiyan characters as they really had more varied or unique skill sets (or techniques) than the Saiyans. Something else that I think would have been creative is if you had characters like Goten and Trunks trained by the Z-fighters (heck, I think it really would have been fun to see Krillin train someone who looks EXACTLY like his best friend did when they started training at the beginning of Z...plus, it would have been a much better explanation for how they were so outrageously strong). I honestly did have a problem with characters becoming useless because they honestly didn't have to become useless. A good comparison would be One Piece in terms of cast treatment (when looking at the main characters in terms of usefulness).



+ Majin Vegeta	Jan 13 2014, 02:15 PM Post #23
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Well in DragonBall we see more skill yes, but in all honest we saw stomps there as well. The martial arts fights were bettwen Charatcers that were pretty kuch equal or there were games bettwen them, And to say the truth, how can the humans keep up with the saiyans? They were already far below Base Saiyans after Super Saiyan was introduced how would they been able to keep up? Even if Toriyama wanted them to without some sort of boost like Piccolo(Kami, Nail) I just can't think of a possible way, they did many thinks however, such as Tiens Kikoho and Krillins role in the entire Namek/Frieza arc.
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


Topographic Oceans	Jan 13 2014, 02:35 PM Post #24
Posts: 1,788 Group: Member Member #10,681 Joined: January 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Action Comics Favourite Manga Detective Comics	The problem is that DBZ fans think that a character can only be important if he is strong enough to fight the villains. A character can still be relevant even if he isn't strong, just look at Kuririn at the Freeza arc. He didn't win a single fight, even then, he was extremely important to the plot. The case with the Cell and Boo arcs is that the characters that aren't relevant fight-wise also aren't relevant plot-wise, because by that time the plot was turning into an excuse for the fighting. A character doesn't need to "keep up" with the strenght of the main heroes and villains to be important, and that is what made the Freeza arc so great: the weaker characters were still important. However, when the fights stopped being a consequence of the plot and the plot started being a consequence of the fights, the characters started losing importance. That's why i think the Cell and Boo arcs are inferior to all the previous ones. If you aren't a Saiyan or Piccolo, with their deus ex machina powers, the only thing you do is to look baffled at the strenght of heroes and villains. Some characters are treated better than others, tough. Tenshinhan still gets something to do at the Cell arc, and Mr. Satan is important in the Boo arc. Other than that, the humans are useless in those arcs.
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+ Majin Vegeta	Jan 13 2014, 02:41 PM Post #25
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Well if what you say is true, then Krillin is also important at the Cell arc, he is weak but he's good for the plot. -He found Geros lab -He had the change to shut down 18 -He tryed to save Goku from androids Well he's not powerfull at all, but at least they still tryed to put him in the story even in the Cell arc, same goes to Tien and even Mr satan, but I agree that in Buu arc they are all totally useles I every way. -Krillin and Yamcha stops fighting, and get eaten by Buu or turned into statues -Tien is nowere to been seen, even at the martial arts tournament, only one appearance then he's dead again -Heck only Piccolo was slightly important there.
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


Baron Samedi	Jan 13 2014, 04:08 PM Post #26
Posts: 187 Group: Member Member #9,458 Joined: May 3, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Afro Samurai What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Unfortunately it got to the stage that the series got repetitive. Characters train. New babguy comes. Characters fight. New transformation. Bad guy is beaten. If there was some variation that allows non saiyans to be relevant it would be ok. For example a certain technique has to be learnt, and Tien is the person that learns it. Or a weapon needs using or anything. Although I'm not too bothered that in terms of power they got left behind. Except for Piccolo, I feel their should of been some way for him to catch up.



+ Majin Vegeta	Jan 13 2014, 04:11 PM Post #27
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	I would like that to, but what? He fused with Nail, he fused with he's original counterpart, he trained in the chamber and many other thinks, unless he got some sort of transformation then he really can't keep up at any stage, and if he got one it wouldn't make much sense considering how he got he's power before.
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


Baron Samedi	Jan 13 2014, 04:48 PM Post #28
Posts: 187 Group: Member Member #9,458 Joined: May 3, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Afro Samurai What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I know it couldn't happen, unless they suddenly created a SSJ equivalent for Nameks. But that wouldn't be plausible. It's just funny that the only way enemies are beaten are by some saiyan potential. SSJ, fusion SSJ or SSJG.



SaiyanHajime	Jan 13 2014, 04:53 PM Post #29
Posts: 224 Group: Member Member #10,689 Joined: January 6, 2014 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime DBZ	Quote: the only way enemies are beaten are by some saiyan potential. Lets be honest... By Goku's potential.
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+ Majin Vegeta	Jan 13 2014, 05:57 PM Post #30
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Well not actually, Goku can't beat anyone without Vegeta, Gohan and some others Baron@Thats What I meant my good friend, after we see Piccolo getting powered up by fusions creating Super Namek-Jin for example would sound a bit off, my opinion at least.
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


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