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Characters becoming useless, a bad thing?
Tweet Topic Started: Jan 9 2014, 12:36 AM (2,432 Views)
+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jan 9 2014, 12:36 AM Post #1
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I'm starting to wonder if this is even a bad thing in the series of Dragon Ball. I mean, Dragon Ball's goal is to follow the adventures of a boy. It was never really about anyone else. The fact that other characters get as much screen time as they do is pretty nice if you think about it. I would certainly like it if characters were more useful, but Dragon Ball accomplishes what it sets out to do, so at the end of the day can it really be classified as a bad thing that the humans and eventually Piccolo become useless for battle?
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bardock1990	Jan 9 2014, 12:43 AM Post #2
Posts: 1,078 Group: Member Member #8,530 Joined: November 6, 2012	The Saiyans and Piccolo are just cooler than the humans, that's just the way it is. Like most shows they use their best assets to their advantage by focusing more on them.



wolfie	Jan 9 2014, 12:43 AM Post #3
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	The idea they become useless is not a problem, its that they become useless but are still used. makes you wonder why are they still there when some dont even fight, it really makes them seem like filler there to pass time till Goku shows up and wins Krillan REALLY became a "Why are you still here" It got to the point where you wonder how they can even stand on the sidelines of a beam attack without blowing up they where so weak compared to goku



Hearts	Jan 9 2014, 12:47 AM Post #4
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	I didnt have a big problem with the humans becoming useless, i had a problem with Piccolo becoming so weak, I know that he technically shouldnt be able to keep up with the saiyans but i wish he would And Dragon Ball stopped being about a boy and started to be about a group of heroes trying to figure out how to beat the opponent Edited by Hearts, Jan 9 2014, 12:48 AM.



+ Ssj3vegito96	Jan 9 2014, 12:53 AM Post #5
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	I agree with hearts. I didn't really have a problem with the humans becoming useless especially since they aren't as cool and everyone should've seen it coming when goku was literally dozens of times more powerful. But piccolos strength being useless in the buu saga sometimes bugs me because piccolo is awesome and was able to keep up with saiyans from the start. All of a sudden he's compared to everyone else he's nothing. But you're right, after all the series is supposed to be mostly about goku
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jan 9 2014, 12:58 AM Post #6
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	wolfie Jan 9 2014, 12:43 AM The idea they become useless is not a problem, its that they become useless but are still used. makes you wonder why are they still there when some dont even fight, it really makes them seem like filler there to pass time till Goku shows up and wins Krillan REALLY became a "Why are you still here" It got to the point where you wonder how they can even stand on the sidelines of a beam attack without blowing up they where so weak compared to goku He's there because he has balls. These guys are also characters. Throwing them away would be faaaaaaaaaaar worse than them fighting to no avail. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jan 9 2014, 01:02 AM.
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SaiyanHajime	Jan 9 2014, 01:07 AM Post #7
Posts: 224 Group: Member Member #10,689 Joined: January 6, 2014 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime DBZ	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jan 9 2014, 12:58 AM wolfie Jan 9 2014, 12:43 AM The idea they become useless is not a problem, its that they become useless but are still used. makes you wonder why are they still there when some dont even fight, it really makes them seem like filler there to pass time till Goku shows up and wins Krillan REALLY became a "Why are you still here" It got to the point where you wonder how they can even stand on the sidelines of a beam attack without blowing up they where so weak compared to goku He's there because he has balls. These guys are also characters. Throwing them away would be faaaaaaaaaaar worse than them fighting to no avail. If they were actually contributing much, if anything, to the narrative then sure. But most of the time they are literally there as if the writers felt sorry for the fact that they're now irrelevant. They could easily still be relevant to the series all the way through, written into other areas of the story, but they rarely are. I think Krillin and Piccolo are a little different, but most of the others, christ.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jan 9 2014, 01:09 AM Post #8
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	They're there because it makes sense for them to be there. Krillin might not be of any use, but it's in his character to fight despite being outclassed. I'd call bull sh** if he wasn't there.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Jan 9 2014, 01:14 AM Post #9
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	The actual purpose of Dragon Ball (up until the Freeza arc) was an adventure series supplemented with fighting, not a fighting series supplemented with adventure. It changed to a fighting series after that, and that was when characters started to become useless. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jan 15 2014, 10:18 PM.
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wolfie	Jan 9 2014, 01:14 AM Post #10
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jan 9 2014, 01:09 AM They're there because it makes sense for them to be there. Krillin might not be of any use, but it's in his character to fight despite being outclassed. I'd call bull sh** if he wasn't there. I can be sort of okay with them being there to fight but honestly they did not fight so much as being "non big guy bad guy can kill\destroy to show power" humans, the punching bags of DBZ



TheGmGoken	Jan 9 2014, 01:19 AM Post #11
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	Piccolo never became useless IMO. He still plays a major role. The humans obviously going to become useless if villains are stronger than a Super Saiyan. Like even with Kaioken they still be useless. I don't get fan complains. In fact IMO they get TO MUCH focus during Z anyways. Krillin is always there except for Boo arc and Tien held back Cell. For a show about Goku, later on the Saiyans, and Piccolo(To a degree) the other characters get a lot of time to shine. Hell if you watch Dragonball they had lots of moments to shine before they "lost" to someone Goku will later beat. If you watch DBZ only then most likely you would't know how much screen time they had. I don't even think humans were popular with the fans in Japan. MAYBE Krillin. But everyone else? I don't think so.



petewentz	Jan 9 2014, 02:28 AM Post #12
suiteheart Posts: 283 Group: Member Member #10,603 Joined: December 20, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Mononoke-Hime What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	I have to agree with PrinceSaiyajin here; it's not in their CHARACTER to just sit at home and eat dinner while someone is threatening the world. Piccolo says as much in the Buu arc. They all also play their roles which is more than we should get considering the original point that we really shouldn't get that much of them at all. Do I wish they might have been stronger? Mostly no. Just because they aren't as strong as everyone else doesn't mean they don't have vital roles to play as well. Tien helps in his own way, Piccolo remains important throughout the entire saga and even Krillin is somewhat relevant up until the Buu saga. Chaoutzu is pretty much useless quick but then again we don't see much of him AT ALL. Yamcha as well; he's there for comedic relief in a way. This is a series based steeped in comedy lest we forget. inb4 "that was dragonball not Z"...look at the Ginyu force; they're pretty much a thematic pun on Power Rangers. Edited by petewentz, Jan 9 2014, 02:30 AM.
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Hearts	Jan 9 2014, 04:36 AM Post #13
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	TheGmGoken Jan 9 2014, 01:19 AM Piccolo never became useless IMO. He still plays a major role. The humans obviously going to become useless if villains are stronger than a Super Saiyan. Like even with Kaioken they still be useless. I don't get fan complains. In fact IMO they get TO MUCH focus during Z anyways. Krillin is always there except for Boo arc and Tien held back Cell. For a show about Goku, later on the Saiyans, and Piccolo(To a degree) the other characters get a lot of time to shine. Hell if you watch Dragonball they had lots of moments to shine before they "lost" to someone Goku will later beat. If you watch DBZ only then most likely you would't know how much screen time they had. I don't even think humans were popular with the fans in Japan. MAYBE Krillin. But everyone else? I don't think so. Piccolo was as important as Krillin was during the Android/Cell saga.. he didnt do anyhing with strength but he did some small things anyway



* Mitas	Jan 9 2014, 06:13 PM Post #14
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	I definitely think that the non-Saiyan characters becoming less important and used less throughout the series is a bad thing. For me, the Buu Saga was the most boring of the 'Z' sagas. The Saiyan, Frieza and Cell sagas were all interesting to me because they used the cast of characters to a better extent. No series can keep your attention if it limits itself to a small number of characters. The more characters you keep on hand, the more possibilities and doors you open for a better and more interesting storyline development.
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Topographic Oceans	Jan 9 2014, 06:43 PM Post #15
Posts: 1,788 Group: Member Member #10,681 Joined: January 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Action Comics Favourite Manga Detective Comics	The problem isn't a character not being strong enough to fight, it's normal to have some characters be outclassed as new and more powerful enemies come. The problem is them having no relevance at all. A character that's not that strong can still be important, just look at Kuririn at the Freeza arc. Another problem that i have is that in early Dragon Ball all of Goku's human friends have distinct personalities. However, from the Cell arc (exactly the arc were everyone started to get useless) onwards, Tenshinhan, Kuririn and Yamcha are just generic guys whose only purpose in the story is to look baffled and say how much the new villain is powerful or how much the main hero's power has improved. And don't even get me started on Yajirobe and Chaozu. So yeah, i think characters becoming useless is a pretty big deal. I love Dragon Ball, but i can't deny that it is flawed. Towards the end, the series took a dive in quality, and the plot became a mere excuse for seeing the main hero punching the main villain until one of them loses. In consequence, all the characters that aren't relevant power-wise are reduced to role of mere spectators with no distinguishable personalities. edit: it's not because the story focuses on Son Goku that everyone else has to be irrelevant. A story in which only two or three characters are relevant isn't really interesting. Edited by Topographic Oceans, Jan 9 2014, 06:45 PM.
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