Vegeta SSj4

Jan 13 2014, 02:06 PM

The huge Zenkais have to come up for the plot to continue, I don't mind this much, but considering something like training then yes.
Piccolo was meditating in king Kai's planet for some few days and he got multiple times stronger than he was
But Goku with 7 years with intense training(stated by himshelf)getting barely a 2x increase?
That's the only think I'm curious .

Muyasuki

Jan 13 2014, 09:33 PM

Vegeta SSj4

Jan 13 2014, 02:06 PM

The huge Zenkais have to come up for the plot to continue, I don't mind this much, but considering something like training then yes.
Piccolo was meditating in king Kai's planet for some few days and he got multiple times stronger than he was
But Goku with 7 years with intense training(stated by himshelf)getting barely a 2x increase?
That's the only think I'm curious .

The Goku one is fine, especially if you consider the idea that he hit a wall during the ROSAT training with Gohan (granted, some implications for EoZ outright destroy that). It became that much hard for him to grow in power because he had been pretty much at his peak. Not to say that there wasn't higher that he could have gone, just that the returns he made from training would increasingly get lower and lower.

The Piccolo one, I think I will always be in the minority opinion as I really don't think he increases that as much as many people do. Not to mention, whatever he actually did on the planet was (mostly) offscreen so he may have done more than just meditate...though I do think thats probably what he mainly did considering that the only manga chapter page that gives some insight to the training done there had Tien, Yamcha and Chiaotzu going through the same training that Goku did while Piccolo was off on his own.

Kamikaze Pyro

Jan 14 2014, 01:11 AM

Muyasuki

Jan 13 2014, 09:33 PM

Vegeta SSj4

Jan 13 2014, 02:06 PM

The huge Zenkais have to come up for the plot to continue, I don't mind this much, but considering something like training then yes.
Piccolo was meditating in king Kai's planet for some few days and he got multiple times stronger than he was
But Goku with 7 years with intense training(stated by himshelf)getting barely a 2x increase?
That's the only think I'm curious .

The Goku one is fine, especially if you consider the idea that he hit a wall during the ROSAT training with Gohan (granted, some implications for EoZ outright destroy that). It became that much hard for him to grow in power because he had been pretty much at his peak. Not to say that there wasn't higher that he could have gone, just that the returns he made from training would increasingly get lower and lower.

The Piccolo one, I think I will always be in the minority opinion as I really don't think he increases that as much as many people do. Not to mention, whatever he actually did on the planet was (mostly) offscreen so he may have done more than just meditate...though I do think thats probably what he mainly did considering that the only manga chapter page that gives some insight to the training done there had Tien, Yamcha and Chiaotzu going through the same training that Goku did while Piccolo was off on his own.

I don't think he increased much past Nail, if he got to that point at all, but there's no doubt he reached a level where he was comfortable in defeating an opponent that could make mincemeat out of Saiyan saga Vegeta.

Muyasuki

Jan 13 2014, 09:33 PM

Vegeta SSj4

Jan 13 2014, 02:06 PM

The huge Zenkais have to come up for the plot to continue, I don't mind this much, but considering something like training then yes.
Piccolo was meditating in king Kai's planet for some few days and he got multiple times stronger than he was
But Goku with 7 years with intense training(stated by himshelf)getting barely a 2x increase?
That's the only think I'm curious .

The Goku one is fine, especially if you consider the idea that he hit a wall during the ROSAT training with Gohan (granted, some implications for EoZ outright destroy that). It became that much hard for him to grow in power because he had been pretty much at his peak. Not to say that there wasn't higher that he could have gone, just that the returns he made from training would increasingly get lower and lower.

The Piccolo one, I think I will always be in the minority opinion as I really don't think he increases that as much as many people do. Not to mention, whatever he actually did on the planet was (mostly) offscreen so he may have done more than just meditate...though I do think thats probably what he mainly did considering that the only manga chapter page that gives some insight to the training done there had Tien, Yamcha and Chiaotzu going through the same training that Goku did while Piccolo was off on his own.

Vegeta SSj4

Jan 14 2014, 03:03 PM

Muyasuki

Jan 13 2014, 09:33 PM

Vegeta SSj4

Jan 13 2014, 02:06 PM

The huge Zenkais have to come up for the plot to continue, I don't mind this much, but considering something like training then yes.
Piccolo was meditating in king Kai's planet for some few days and he got multiple times stronger than he was
But Goku with 7 years with intense training(stated by himshelf)getting barely a 2x increase?
That's the only think I'm curious .

The Goku one is fine, especially if you consider the idea that he hit a wall during the ROSAT training with Gohan (granted, some implications for EoZ outright destroy that). It became that much hard for him to grow in power because he had been pretty much at his peak. Not to say that there wasn't higher that he could have gone, just that the returns he made from training would increasingly get lower and lower.

The Piccolo one, I think I will always be in the minority opinion as I really don't think he increases that as much as many people do. Not to mention, whatever he actually did on the planet was (mostly) offscreen so he may have done more than just meditate...though I do think thats probably what he mainly did considering that the only manga chapter page that gives some insight to the training done there had Tien, Yamcha and Chiaotzu going through the same training that Goku did while Piccolo was off on his own.

Sorry but like you said it can be contradicted it
EOZ proves that, and also Goku suppose to reach he's limits thoughtout the series many times, he thought he reach he's limits on Namek, but he far outstrips that.
Vegeta stated that with the gravity training he surpassed it as well, though the rosat training.
Limits can always be overcomed after an amazing training increase or so, Goku with 7 years and the most tough training he ever had should get dozens of times stronger than before, since breaking though limits is possible, after and before in the series
At least that's what I think

NeoSSayajin

Jan 16 2014, 06:08 AM

The humans did showed up knowing that Androids>Mecha Frieza, they were willing to fight, for me thats enought to put them at least between 50%-100% Namek Frieza.

PD: For me 19/20 surpass Mecha Friezas power.