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Are the humans really that strong?
Topic Started: Jan 6 2014, 06:42 AM (3,496 Views)
Alex D. Boss Jan 7 2014, 04:41 PM Post #31
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 Who's arguing about humans surpassing BS ?

Only Krillin could keep up with Gohan on Namek , till he got the Zenki's.
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+ Pyrus Jan 7 2014, 04:46 PM Post #32
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they always did keep up with the saiyens base, well not to far behind anyway

This.
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Alex D. Boss Jan 7 2014, 04:47 PM Post #33
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Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 7 2014, 04:46 PM
Ghostoku
 
they always did keep up with the saiyens base, well not to far behind anyway

This.

Hmm Awesome.
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SSJ Jan 7 2014, 05:45 PM Post #34
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Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 7 2014, 04:46 PM
Ghostoku
 
they always did keep up with the saiyens base, well not to far behind anyway

This.
Ah, so I suppose the humans are gaining on Kid Boo by the end of Z then.

Right.
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Hearts Jan 7 2014, 05:45 PM Post #35
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Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 7 2014, 04:34 PM
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Jan 7 2014, 09:40 AM
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Jan 7 2014, 02:02 AM
Humans are so weak. They'd never reach the powers of a true Saiyan warrior.

Saiyans got zenkais and transformations. Humans got the s*** end of the plunger. :lol:
Calm down dude, there's no need to be so aggressive towards the humans, they always did keep up with the saiyens base, well not to far behind anyway, and it's just they became even more obsolete after ssj was discovered.
Saiyan fight
Base Goku - 8,000+
Tenshinhan - 1,830 (4.4x diff.)
Krillin - 1,770 (4.5x diff.)
Yamcha - 1,480 (5.4x diff.)

Ginyu Force fight
Base Goku - 90,000
Krillin - < 10,000; > 30,000 (3x diff. at least)

Freeza fight
Base Goku - 3,000,000
Krillin - < 23,000; > 1,000,000 (3x diff. at least)

Android fight
Base Vegeta's involvement in the fight post-No.19 beating Goku actually piqued No.20's interest, implying at the very least that whatever he predicted for Vegeta was noticeably higher than what he predicted for the humans and Piccolo. Later on you have a suppressed Piccolo being enough to whip the humans into obedient little puppy dogs.

Base Vegeta >>/> Suppressed Piccolo >>> Humans

Cell Games
Nothing new here other than the Saiyans got drastically more powerful while the humans stayed virtually the same.

Base Saiyans >>>>>> Suppressed Piccolo (pre-Kami) >>> Humans

Boo Arc
Only Tenshinhan was logically able to get stronger since Yamcha quit life and Krillin stopped fighting/training after the Cell Games, and even then he shouldn't have caught up at all to the Base Saiyans.

Base Saiyans >>>>>>>>> Humans

At no point in Z were the humans "keeping up" with the Base Saiyans. They were left in the dust as early as the Saiyan battle.
There might have been a point in Namek saga where Krillin was the strongest Z-fighter (when he got the potential unlock)
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SSJ Jan 7 2014, 05:48 PM Post #36
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Hearts
Jan 7 2014, 05:45 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 7 2014, 04:34 PM
Ghostoku
Jan 7 2014, 09:40 AM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 7 2014, 02:02 AM
Humans are so weak. They'd never reach the powers of a true Saiyan warrior.

Saiyans got zenkais and transformations. Humans got the s*** end of the plunger. :lol:
Calm down dude, there's no need to be so aggressive towards the humans, they always did keep up with the saiyens base, well not to far behind anyway, and it's just they became even more obsolete after ssj was discovered.
Saiyan fight
Base Goku - 8,000+
Tenshinhan - 1,830 (4.4x diff.)
Krillin - 1,770 (4.5x diff.)
Yamcha - 1,480 (5.4x diff.)

Ginyu Force fight
Base Goku - 90,000
Krillin - < 10,000; > 30,000 (3x diff. at least)

Freeza fight
Base Goku - 3,000,000
Krillin - < 23,000; > 1,000,000 (3x diff. at least)

Android fight
Base Vegeta's involvement in the fight post-No.19 beating Goku actually piqued No.20's interest, implying at the very least that whatever he predicted for Vegeta was noticeably higher than what he predicted for the humans and Piccolo. Later on you have a suppressed Piccolo being enough to whip the humans into obedient little puppy dogs.

Base Vegeta >>/> Suppressed Piccolo >>> Humans

Cell Games
Nothing new here other than the Saiyans got drastically more powerful while the humans stayed virtually the same.

Base Saiyans >>>>>> Suppressed Piccolo (pre-Kami) >>> Humans

Boo Arc
Only Tenshinhan was logically able to get stronger since Yamcha quit life and Krillin stopped fighting/training after the Cell Games, and even then he shouldn't have caught up at all to the Base Saiyans.

Base Saiyans >>>>>>>>> Humans

At no point in Z were the humans "keeping up" with the Base Saiyans. They were left in the dust as early as the Saiyan battle.
There might have been a point in Namek saga where Krillin was the strongest Z-fighter (when he got the potential unlock)
Doubtful. Goku had already mastered 50x gravity when Krillin had his potential unlocked.
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Hearts Jan 7 2014, 06:01 PM Post #37
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Jan 7 2014, 05:48 PM
Doubtful. Goku had already mastered 50x gravity when Krillin had his potential unlocked.
Urgh, you just had to shatter my hopes there
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+ Pyrus Jan 7 2014, 06:17 PM Post #38
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 Yes, the humans are weak. Let them go.

You'll feel better.
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Alex D. Boss Jan 7 2014, 06:21 PM Post #39
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Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 7 2014, 06:17 PM
Yes, the humans are weak. Let them go.

You'll feel better.

Tien is a TOTAL Beast.
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SSJ Jan 7 2014, 06:48 PM Post #40
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Alex KloonBoss
Jan 7 2014, 06:21 PM
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Jan 7 2014, 06:17 PM
Yes, the humans are weak. Let them go.

You'll feel better.

Tien is a TOTAL Beast.
He looked like a beast when Bootenks beat him without his upper body. Also when he pathetically fell to the ground after using the Shin Kikoho. Oh yeah, I forgot about Nappa cleanly cutting his arm off.

So beastly.
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sylentknyte Jan 7 2014, 07:13 PM Post #41
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 It's all assumption based, so no one can really be wrong. I have them peaking out in the very low millions. I think all of them could at least beat second form Frieza by the Android saga. They were there for fight support, and besides Yamcha they did prove useful. Tien knew he could do some damage with his Tri-beam attack against a much stronger foe. Even though he's Tien's training partner I believe Chaoitzu hits his ceiling early. In the later sagas I have:

Android-Cell:

Tien: 2,500,000
Krillen: 2,200,000
Yamcha: 1,200,000
Chaoitzu: 100,000

Buu:

Tien: 5,000,000
Krillen: 1,500,000
Yamcha: 800,000
Chaoitzu: 125,000

I think Tien is the only one that improves himself beyond the Cell saga.
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* Ketchup Revenge Jan 8 2014, 03:03 AM Post #42
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sylentknyte
Jan 7 2014, 07:13 PM
It's all assumption based, so no one can really be wrong. I have them peaking out in the very low millions. I think all of them could at least beat second form Frieza by the Android saga. They were there for fight support, and besides Yamcha they did prove useful. Tien knew he could do some damage with his Tri-beam attack against a much stronger foe. Even though he's Tien's training partner I believe Chaoitzu hits his ceiling early. In the later sagas I have:

Android-Cell:

Tien: 2,500,000
Krillen: 2,200,000
Yamcha: 1,200,000
Chaoitzu: 100,000

Buu:

Tien: 5,000,000
Krillen: 1,500,000
Yamcha: 800,000
Chaoitzu: 125,000

I think Tien is the only one that improves himself beyond the Cell saga.
Toriyama stated that Krillin was the strongest at the end of the series, which doesn't make sense, but that's what it is.
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Hearts Jan 8 2014, 03:06 AM Post #43
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Jan 8 2014, 03:03 AM
sylentknyte
Jan 7 2014, 07:13 PM
It's all assumption based, so no one can really be wrong. I have them peaking out in the very low millions. I think all of them could at least beat second form Frieza by the Android saga. They were there for fight support, and besides Yamcha they did prove useful. Tien knew he could do some damage with his Tri-beam attack against a much stronger foe. Even though he's Tien's training partner I believe Chaoitzu hits his ceiling early. In the later sagas I have:

Android-Cell:

Tien: 2,500,000
Krillen: 2,200,000
Yamcha: 1,200,000
Chaoitzu: 100,000

Buu:

Tien: 5,000,000
Krillen: 1,500,000
Yamcha: 800,000
Chaoitzu: 125,000

I think Tien is the only one that improves himself beyond the Cell saga.
Toriyama stated that Krillin was the strongest at the end of the series, which doesn't make sense, but that's what it is.

He also thought SSJ 2 was SSJ 3 and hardly remembers Bulman, unless he stated this while he was writing, i wouldnt take it seriously
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* Ketchup Revenge Jan 8 2014, 03:12 AM Post #44
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Jan 8 2014, 03:06 AM
He also thought SSJ 2 was SSJ 3 and hardly remembers Bulman, unless he stated this while he was writing, i wouldnt take it seriously
He also completely forgot about Launch.
If I don't have a reference to go by, I just go with what he says. We only see Tenshinhan for a second or two in the Boo Arc, and we can't really gather enough from that to really make a decision.
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TheGmGoken Jan 8 2014, 03:13 AM Post #45
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Hearts
Jan 8 2014, 03:06 AM
Ketchupis Ultionis
Jan 8 2014, 03:03 AM
sylentknyte
Jan 7 2014, 07:13 PM
It's all assumption based, so no one can really be wrong. I have them peaking out in the very low millions. I think all of them could at least beat second form Frieza by the Android saga. They were there for fight support, and besides Yamcha they did prove useful. Tien knew he could do some damage with his Tri-beam attack against a much stronger foe. Even though he's Tien's training partner I believe Chaoitzu hits his ceiling early. In the later sagas I have:

Android-Cell:

Tien: 2,500,000
Krillen: 2,200,000
Yamcha: 1,200,000
Chaoitzu: 100,000

Buu:

Tien: 5,000,000
Krillen: 1,500,000
Yamcha: 800,000
Chaoitzu: 125,000

I think Tien is the only one that improves himself beyond the Cell saga.
Toriyama stated that Krillin was the strongest at the end of the series, which doesn't make sense, but that's what it is.

He also thought SSJ 2 was SSJ 3 and hardly remembers Bulman, unless he stated this while he was writing, i wouldnt take it seriously
He thought SSJ3 was SSj2. Not SSj2 was SSj3. SSj2 never gets loved so no wonder he forgot. BESIDES that was during BoG. He stated Krillin was the strongest multiple of times. NEVER had he said anything else bout the strongest human. Don't take his word with grain of salt. Krillin is the strongest.

FACT
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