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Are the humans really that strong?
Topic Started: Jan 6 2014, 06:42 AM (3,497 Views)
* Ketchup Revenge Jan 6 2014, 07:20 PM Post #16
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Jan 6 2014, 07:13 PM
Gero probably wanted to Overkill and be prepared for the chance hed get Stringer.
He shouldve followed Gokus Progress in the 2 years and at the last year make somethkng 10x stronger than that. That wouldve kept him alive and away from 17/8
Even if that were true, that most likely wouldn't even get the Androids (Gero/19) up to the equivalent of 1,000,000.

And 17/18 were specifically made to supplement Cell's growth, not stop Goku.
Killing Goku was what 16's job was. I have no idea why 16 was designed to be so strong, but (purely speculative) it's possible that Gero had factored in a possibility that Goku would befriend 17 and 18, because it had happened with plenty of Goku's enemies in the past. Therefore it's possible that 16 could've been designed to actually be stronger than 17 and 18, not Goku.

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Gero built the Androids at SSjin level, he is not expecting Goku to be at his saiyan saga level obviouslu.

And him mistaking Yamcha for the same Goku he built imposaibly strong Androids for is a clear sign that the humans are really strong.

Not to mention he thinks the humans will give him strength to beat Vegeta when Vegeta curbstompes him.

Obviously, but like I said, he knew nothing of Zenkai
2. If he knows nothing of Zenkai, he can't possibly know to make the Androids SSj level. That's just a fluke to defeat all the Warriors on earth, which he knew had probably increased. In addition to this, there's no evidence of 19 being stronger than a Super Saiyan prior to any absorptions he does.
3. As I explained, he had no idea of how strong Vegeta was, therefore he couldn't have possibly known if absorbing human energy would've done anything. He was guessing, and he obviously failed miserably considering that Piccolo (who's probably not SSj level at this time) managed to totally curbstomp him even after he'd absorbed "a lot of energy".
Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jan 6 2014, 07:27 PM.
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Instant Transmission Jan 6 2014, 07:49 PM Post #17
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 Plenty?
1) Vegeta
2)#8
3) tien
4)yamcha
Oh that is plenty Lol.

I didnt underatand what u meant in the first few sentences ketchup.
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+ Pyrus Jan 6 2014, 08:00 PM Post #18
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 The humans didn't go to fight the androids, at least not in the way a lot of people still somehow mistakenly perceive. Yamcha didn't believe they were real, Krillin had no confidence, and Tenshinhan was under the assumption it'd be a group fight.
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Alex D. Boss Jan 6 2014, 08:56 PM Post #19
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 The humans are strong enough to not care about.

Seriously though , Gero needed their energy to beat Vegeta , so Krillin and Tien should've been hitting the millions already.
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AA500 Jan 6 2014, 09:54 PM Post #20
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Jan 6 2014, 04:51 PM
Gero had no clue of how strong Vegeta was. To further evidence Gero's lack of understanding of basic ki function, he didn't even know that Piccolo was hiding his ki when he stole it from him.
Why would Gero know that though? Isn't that the whole point of Piccolo hiding his ki? To make sure Gero doesn't know about it?
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Hurry My Curry Jan 6 2014, 11:36 PM Post #21
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Obviously, but like I said, he knew nothing of Zenkai
2. If he knows nothing of Zenkai, he can't possibly know to make the Androids SSj level. That's just a fluke to defeat all the Warriors on earth, which he knew had probably increased. In addition to this, there's no evidence of 19 being stronger than a Super Saiyan prior to any absorptions he does.
3. As I explained, he had no idea of how strong Vegeta was, therefore he couldn't have possibly known if absorbing human energy would've done anything. He was guessing, and he obviously failed miserably considering that Piccolo (who's probably not SSj level at this time) managed to totally curbstomp him even after he'd absorbed "a lot of


Piccolo believes that these are the Androids Trunks was talking about from the future, thats proof enough that they are SSjin level.

Well considering he saw Vegeta kick the s*** out of his clown friend, I would say he knows how strong he is.

Like I said up there, piccolo did believe the Androids were the ones from the future and he was stronger than them, making him SSjij tier.
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Yuli Ban Jan 6 2014, 11:57 PM Post #22
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Jan 6 2014, 11:36 PM
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Obviously, but like I said, he knew nothing of Zenkai
2. If he knows nothing of Zenkai, he can't possibly know to make the Androids SSj level. That's just a fluke to defeat all the Warriors on earth, which he knew had probably increased. In addition to this, there's no evidence of 19 being stronger than a Super Saiyan prior to any absorptions he does.
3. As I explained, he had no idea of how strong Vegeta was, therefore he couldn't have possibly known if absorbing human energy would've done anything. He was guessing, and he obviously failed miserably considering that Piccolo (who's probably not SSj level at this time) managed to totally curbstomp him even after he'd absorbed "a lot of


Piccolo believes that these are the Androids Trunks was talking about from the future, thats proof enough that they are SSjin level.

Well considering he saw Vegeta kick the s*** out of his clown friend, I would say he knows how strong he is.

Like I said up there, piccolo did believe the Androids were the ones from the future and he was stronger than them, making him SSjij tier.
Still not connecting how they are SSJ tier, though I wouldn't be surprised if I were wrong since Gero openly states it wouldn't be a problem to fight Goku.
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Hurry My Curry Jan 7 2014, 12:10 AM Post #23
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 The same Androids that dominated SSjin Future Trunks and SSjin Future Gohan, Piccolo thought 19 and 20 were those Androids.

Hence them being SSjin tier.
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TheGmGoken Jan 7 2014, 01:36 AM Post #24
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Jan 6 2014, 08:21 AM
their is no reason to assume they didn't. uub proves that the human body is capable of handling that level of power. other than that, it's all just patterns. every time we see anyone seriously train post boz , they make multifold yearly increases. the only reason to assume they didn't pass 1,000,000 is to say they for some reason didn't train part of the time, which only makes sense for yamcha.
Oob is a reincarnation of Pure Boo which gave a SSJ3 a hard time. Doesn't really fit the whole Human power scale factor.

I think Krillin and Tien hit the millions during the Cyborg arc(But dropped down to high thousands during Boo Arc) but as someone mentioned Yamcha did not. Though Gero did think Yamcha was Goku. That Goku was like 32,000......

I don't think the humans ever was SSJ tier. Maybe they was CLOSE to base Saiyans. But then again Goku was kicking 19's a*** with ease and Tien even commented on the power.
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lunar2 Jan 7 2014, 01:52 AM Post #25
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 but uub's body is human. meaning that any level of power he can reach, so can any other human given enough training. uub just got a massive head start.
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Hurry My Curry Jan 7 2014, 01:57 AM Post #26
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 Oob is a perfect example of that. He was as strong as base Goku without much training, humans have been training their whole lives, they should be even stronger than base Goku.
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TheGmGoken Jan 7 2014, 02:01 AM Post #27
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Jan 7 2014, 01:52 AM
but uub's body is human. meaning that any level of power he can reach, so can any other human given enough training. uub just got a massive head start.
OOb body might be that of a human. But the rest of him is that of Pure Boo. Look how strong Piccolo because he was the reincarnation. Same goes for Oob. He was naturally strong due to BOO's power. That isn't the same as training. That isn't the same as hidden power(Like Gohan). He's BOO. Just in a human body. That isn't the same as humans such a Krillin and Yamcha. They can train all they want. But the Saiyans will ALWAYS be superior.
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+ Pyrus Jan 7 2014, 02:02 AM Post #28
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 Humans are so weak. They'd never reach the powers of a true Saiyan warrior.

Saiyans got zenkais and transformations. Humans got the s*** end of the plunger. :lol:
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Crow Jan 7 2014, 09:40 AM Post #29
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Jan 7 2014, 02:02 AM
Humans are so weak. They'd never reach the powers of a true Saiyan warrior.

Saiyans got zenkais and transformations. Humans got the s*** end of the plunger. :lol:
Calm down dude, there's no need to be so aggressive towards the humans, they always did keep up with the saiyens base, well not to far behind anyway, and it's just they became even more obsolete after ssj was discovered.
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+ Pyrus Jan 7 2014, 04:34 PM Post #30
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Jan 7 2014, 09:40 AM
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Jan 7 2014, 02:02 AM
Humans are so weak. They'd never reach the powers of a true Saiyan warrior.

Saiyans got zenkais and transformations. Humans got the s*** end of the plunger. :lol:
Calm down dude, there's no need to be so aggressive towards the humans, they always did keep up with the saiyens base, well not to far behind anyway, and it's just they became even more obsolete after ssj was discovered.
Saiyan fight
Base Goku - 8,000+
Tenshinhan - 1,830 (4.4x diff.)
Krillin - 1,770 (4.5x diff.)
Yamcha - 1,480 (5.4x diff.)

Ginyu Force fight
Base Goku - 90,000
Krillin - < 10,000; > 30,000 (3x diff. at least)

Freeza fight
Base Goku - 3,000,000
Krillin - < 23,000; > 1,000,000 (3x diff. at least)

Android fight
Base Vegeta's involvement in the fight post-No.19 beating Goku actually piqued No.20's interest, implying at the very least that whatever he predicted for Vegeta was noticeably higher than what he predicted for the humans and Piccolo. Later on you have a suppressed Piccolo being enough to whip the humans into obedient little puppy dogs.

Base Vegeta >>/> Suppressed Piccolo >>> Humans

Cell Games
Nothing new here other than the Saiyans got drastically more powerful while the humans stayed virtually the same.

Base Saiyans >>>>>> Suppressed Piccolo (pre-Kami) >>> Humans

Boo Arc
Only Tenshinhan was logically able to get stronger since Yamcha quit life and Krillin stopped fighting/training after the Cell Games, and even then he shouldn't have caught up at all to the Base Saiyans.

Base Saiyans >>>>>>>>> Humans

At no point in Z were the humans "keeping up" with the Base Saiyans. They were left in the dust as early as the Saiyan battle.
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