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Raditz power level?; 1200 or 1500?
Topic Started: Dec 29 2013, 05:40 PM (5,046 Views)
No. 20 Dec 30 2013, 06:45 PM Post #46
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Dec 30 2013, 06:36 PM
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Dec 30 2013, 06:29 PM
1200 and 1500 CAN be a "rivaling gap," and sometimes it isn't. All it has to mean is that they're close in power. Protesting this stuff is just falling into the same old "at what power gap can you fight someone" bullcrap again.
I have not said that it cannot be a rivalling gap, however in the case of Yamcha and Saibaman, I don't believe they are rivalling each other. That is what I have been fighting against.
And I disagree. Just leave it at that then.
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* Crashbreaka Dec 30 2013, 07:43 PM Post #47
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 Hey guys, try not to double post please. Just use the edit button in the future.

Also, posting nothing but ellipses is pretty much spam, so try not to do that either.
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Gracek90 Dec 30 2013, 09:35 PM Post #48
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And there we go with another crap of posts about "1500 is not rivaling with 1200 because it is to big gap..."Jezus. As far as I remember Dragon Ball is shouen manga, not the LET'S DO THE MATH, manga. You put so much emphasis on those stupid numbers, that is is not even funny anymore. I wonder how would Akira react on such nonsense. Raditz can be anywhere from 1250 to 1500 and you can't contradict any of those numbers. The only thing we know is the fact that Raditz is rivaling Saibamen and he is able to block SBC with a power level of 1330. Furthermore a surprised attack at the level of 1307 is able to damage him, but no to kill him. Raditz was stated in daiz to be 1500, and author does not contradicts that so it works fine for me. What about Saibamen vs Yamcha? It was more even than Dodoria vs Vegeta or Zarbon vs Vegeta so.
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+ Pyrus Dec 30 2013, 11:28 PM Post #49
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 The fight wasn't that lop-sided.

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Yamcha certainly had some kind of advantage, but not a huge one. He and the Saibaman both exerted visible effort in their hand to hand combat session, and it was only after that that Yamcha took the advantage with his Kamehameha (which didn't even kill the little bastard, mind you).
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+ Pyrus Dec 31 2013, 12:05 AM Post #50
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 Can you stop posting bunches of periods? Those posts are just spam and not contributing to the topic at all.
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SSJ Dec 31 2013, 12:09 AM Post #51
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Dec 30 2013, 11:28 PM
The fight wasn't that lop-sided.

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Yamcha certainly had some kind of advantage, but not a huge one. He and the Saibaman both exerted visible effort in their hand to hand combat session, and it was only after that that Yamcha took the advantage with his Kamehameha (which didn't even kill the little bastard, mind you).
I already commented on this. I see one even scuffle in the entire fight which happened on the second panel. When they fought H2H, they show Yamcha hitting Saibaman in the face, and Saibaman missing his punch. Saibaman then lunges in at Yamcha while in the air, but Yamcha was too fast to be caught. Then Yamcha turns and connects a KHH which good old Saiby couldn't dodge. Just because it didn't kill him doesn't mean the fight was that close. I don't see evidence of Saibaman being a rival.
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* Crashbreaka Dec 31 2013, 12:10 AM Post #52
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 I've removed the spam posts, carry on as normal guys.
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+ Pyrus Dec 31 2013, 12:29 AM Post #53
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and Saibaman missing his punch

Where?

And Yamcha missed a punch as the Saibaman jumped toward the rock. <_<
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Saibaman then lunges in at Yamcha while in the air, but Yamcha was too fast to be caught.

Or maybe it was just obvious the Saibaman would jump so Yamcha dodged?
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Then Yamcha turns and connects a KHH which good old Saiby couldn't dodge.

Surprise, motherf***er.
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No. 20 Dec 31 2013, 12:34 AM Post #54
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 I was using anime evidence but even the manga presented here does not seem to show a one-sided clash.

Can we just remember that we are strictly talking about power levels here; not who is a better fighter, not who is sneakier and uses cheap-shots etc.

We really just need to look at the proposed numbers (1200 and 1480) to realize that they most certainly ARE within "rival" or "similar" territory.

Yamcha may have just had better technique that gave him the edge, not the difference in PL.
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SSJ Dec 31 2013, 12:35 AM Post #55
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Dec 31 2013, 12:29 AM
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and Saibaman missing his punch

Where?

And Yamcha missed a punch as the Saibaman jumped toward the rock. <_<
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Saibaman then lunges in at Yamcha while in the air, but Yamcha was too fast to be caught.

Or maybe it was just obvious the Saibaman would jump so Yamcha dodged?
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Then Yamcha turns and connects a KHH which good old Saiby couldn't dodge.

Surprise, motherf***er.
- Third page, where Yamcha hits Saibaman in the face. And he didn't miss that punch, Saibaman jumped away from it.

-Not really if you ask me. Look at Yamcha's face before he evades the attack. He is basically just out there having a good time, and even waits for the Saibaman to get close to him before he dodges. Was it expected? Yes it was. But Yamcha shows confidence that he can dodge it at the last minute.

-Surprise it was, but he didn't even attempt to avoid it. An argument for why the KHH didn't kill Saibaman was because it probably had little amp on it. Yamcha released it very quickly after all.
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+ Pyrus Dec 31 2013, 12:46 AM Post #56
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- Third page, where Yamcha hits Saibaman in the face. And he didn't miss that punch, Saibaman jumped away from it.

So...he missed?
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-Not really if you ask me. Look at Yamcha's face before he evades the attack. He is basically just out there having a good time, and even waits for the Saibaman to get close to him before he dodges. Was it expected? Yes it was. But Yamcha shows confidence that he can dodge it at the last minute.

There's the display of a gap.
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-Surprise it was, but he didn't even attempt to avoid it. An argument for why the KHH didn't kill Saibaman was because it probably had little amp on it. Yamcha released it very quickly after all.

He couldn't do anything with the speed of the attack, hence the surprise. I agree about the amp obviously.
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SSJ Dec 31 2013, 12:50 AM Post #57
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Dec 31 2013, 12:46 AM
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- Third page, where Yamcha hits Saibaman in the face. And he didn't miss that punch, Saibaman jumped away from it.

So...he missed?
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-Not really if you ask me. Look at Yamcha's face before he evades the attack. He is basically just out there having a good time, and even waits for the Saibaman to get close to him before he dodges. Was it expected? Yes it was. But Yamcha shows confidence that he can dodge it at the last minute.

There's the display of a gap.
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-Surprise it was, but he didn't even attempt to avoid it. An argument for why the KHH didn't kill Saibaman was because it probably had little amp on it. Yamcha released it very quickly after all.

He couldn't do anything with the speed of the attack, hence the surprise. I agree about the amp obviously.
-No. Yamcha began his punch formation when he was still very far away from Saibaman. It's not like he was in close when he began to punch. Yamcha doesn't have super speed, so he obviously can't teleport to Saibaman. I wouldn't call that missing at all, he simply began his punch way too early.

-Exactly, something I wouldn't consider to be rivalling. I consider fights like Goku and Nappa, Zarbon and Vegeta, etc to be rivalling range. In the fights mentioned neither fighters were playing around, as Yamcha's expression implies.

-This point is not necessary to argue.
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+ Pyrus Dec 31 2013, 01:02 AM Post #58
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Thanks for the debate.
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DSTREET45 Dec 31 2013, 06:02 AM Post #59
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Dec 30 2013, 05:03 PM
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Dec 30 2013, 04:53 PM
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Dec 30 2013, 04:10 PM
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Dec 30 2013, 03:33 PM
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Dec 30 2013, 03:23 PM
Kienzan is not a power related attack , so that argument fails.

1200 -1500 isn't a rival territory evidenced by Yamcha's fight.
I'm not making that argument...i'm trying to show you the illogic of yours.


Yamcha's fight was pretty close before it ended and there really was no clear winner = rival territory. What did that fight evidence to you?


"there really was no clear winner"

lmao, I'm not going further with you anymore. Its a clear fact Yamcha beat Saibaman.
You're kidding right? He was killed and completely unable to break free of the hold.


Why do I even bother....

Just wanted to debunk this easily , but SSJ2 got in my way..

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-Yamcha and Saibaman fight hand to hand somewhat evenly
-Same occurs, with Yamcha connecting a punch to the face, while blocking Saibaman's punch
-Saibaman lunges at Yamcha in close range, Yamcha is too fast for it
-Yamcha slams it into the ground with a blast that looks like a Kamehameha
-Yamcha gets killed by a cheap shot


Yeah, Yamcha had the clear advantage the whole time.

Catching someone from behind and using selfdestruct is only a sign of "I am too weak to fight against him , let me just selfdestruct because I can't do it in another way"
You are all over the place. I'm not arguing that Yamcha was weaker...I am saying that their PL were similar, it was a close fight in which neither fighter won.

You are acting like Yamcha was way above Saibaman which wasn't the case at all and is reflected in the similar PL. Get back to the original argument please.
Yamcha barely broke a sweat fighting the saibaman and asked if he could take the rest by himself.

The saibaman resorted to a suicide bombing to finish the job.


Not rivals.
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+ Pyrus Dec 31 2013, 06:05 AM Post #60
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Yamcha had also become surprisingly strong and easily defeated his enemy, but he is hit by the desperate Saibaiman's self-destruct attack and dies.

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