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| Raditz power level?; 1200 or 1500? | |
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| SSJ | Dec 30 2013, 04:21 PM Post #16 |
 
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-Yamcha and Saibaman fight hand to hand somewhat evenly -Same occurs, with Yamcha connecting a punch to the face, while blocking Saibaman's punch -Saibaman lunges at Yamcha in close range, Yamcha is too fast for it -Yamcha slams it into the ground with a blast that looks like a Kamehameha -Yamcha gets killed by a cheap shot Yeah, Yamcha had the clear advantage the whole time. |
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| No. 20 | Dec 30 2013, 04:53 PM Post #17 |
 
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You're kidding right? It is a clear fact that it wasn't over. He was killed and completely unable to break free of the hold. Seriously. Your logic is shaky at best. The fight lasted for quite awhile before Yamcha looked like he won, their PL were similar, which translates into being considered to rival. By your logic Goku and Vegeta are and were never rivals because one was always stronger than the other at different points in the timeline. You are being too narrow. Edited by No. 20, Dec 30 2013, 04:58 PM.
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| Alex D. Boss | Dec 30 2013, 04:57 PM Post #18 |
 
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Just wanted to debunk this easily , but SSJ2 got in my way..
Catching someone from behind and using selfdestruct is only a sign of "I am too weak to fight against him , let me just selfdestruct because I can't do it in another way" |
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| SSJ | Dec 30 2013, 04:59 PM Post #19 |
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Cell couldn't escape Android 16's hold until 16 knew his bomb was removed. So that opinion is not really valid. |
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| No. 20 | Dec 30 2013, 05:03 PM Post #20 |
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You are all over the place. I'm not arguing that Yamcha was weaker...I am saying that their PL were similar, it was a close fight in which neither fighter won. You are acting like Yamcha was way above Saibaman which wasn't the case at all and is reflected in the similar PL. Get back to the original argument please. |
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| No. 20 | Dec 30 2013, 05:05 PM Post #21 |
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You don't know that for a fact. You are just assuming based on the timeline of what happens. Why would 16 let Cell go even if the bomb was removed? It is very unlikely that Cell would not have escaped even if the bomb was intact. Edited by No. 20, Dec 30 2013, 05:10 PM.
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| Alex D. Boss | Dec 30 2013, 05:12 PM Post #22 |
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There isn't any proof they're power was similar. I hope we read the same manga , which I hope you read it once , which it questions me hehe. The fight was won by Yamcha , only after Yamcha caught slipping from behind by a selfdestruct which was the only way Saibaman could end this. Yamcha beat him H2H , evidenced by the fact that Yamcha didn't had problem with fighting each of one of them. |
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| SSJ | Dec 30 2013, 05:16 PM Post #23 |
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The Saibaman only touched Yamcha once in the fight... And a better example for Yamcha not being able to escape Saibaman's grasp would be Goku and Ginyu. Both fighters were suppressed to a nearly even level, yet Goku said he needed to use Kaioken to escape from Ginyu. This shows us that one should be a minimum of 2x stronger to escape a tight hold like that. We know Yamcha is not that much stronger than Saibaman, so he could not escape. Not to mention how little of time he had to react. Literally the Saibaman jumped on him and exploded, giving him no time. |
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| No. 20 | Dec 30 2013, 05:18 PM Post #24 |
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Exactly...Yamcha died to a self-destruct by a fighter of similar strength. 100-300 difference in PL was not that significant at that point. When Chiaotzu tried the same thing vs Nappa it didn't even phase him because his PL was much, much lower. |
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| Alex D. Boss | Dec 30 2013, 05:18 PM Post #25 |
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We're getting trolled here. |
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| No. 20 | Dec 30 2013, 05:20 PM Post #26 |
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That doesn't mean anything of the sort. Goku probably overexerted himself just to be sure he could escape, that doesn't mean he needed exactly that much strength to do so. |
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| No. 20 | Dec 30 2013, 05:21 PM Post #27 |
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I was telling myself the same thing actually. Edited by No. 20, Dec 30 2013, 05:21 PM.
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| Alex D. Boss | Dec 30 2013, 05:25 PM Post #28 |
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Its funny , because the only argument you bring up is Saibaman using selfdestruct which should him being at Yamcha level. That argument can be thrown into a trash cannon , without getting noticed , because..its hilarious. 1,200 - 1,500 isn't a rival gap. Evidenced by Yamcha's fight. |
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| No. 20 | Dec 30 2013, 05:26 PM Post #29 |
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That fight proves MY point, not yours.....get a clue, seriously. [url] Up until 1:50 it is a close fight...plus Yamcha didn't even kill him with his K-wave, Krillin killed like 3 without them having a chance to come back at him....plus he cannot escape the grip....plus Yamcha dies to the explosion......rival PLs... Edited by No. 20, Dec 30 2013, 05:34 PM.
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| Alex D. Boss | Dec 30 2013, 05:29 PM Post #30 |
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Its a clear fact though. |
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