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How strong are the humans?
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lunar2	Dec 31 2013, 12:39 AM Post #16
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	The Doctor Dec 31 2013, 12:29 AM SuperSaiyan2 Dec 31 2013, 12:22 AM I just don't see why Gero would see them as being valuable if they were so weak. Perhaps the absorption models do not use stolen energy as adding to their power but rather allowing them to utilize more of their own potential. Like a phone battery needing charging after strenuous use (playing games or watching videos), and then able to be used to it's fullest after the charge. If the humans possess enough raw energy to be used as fuel for more powerful attacks then they would be useful for 19 and 20. Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P14.6 Context: after No.19 absorbs Goku’s attack No.20: “Alright! No.19’s maximum power rating has greatly increased from what it was before! In contrast, Son Goku’s energy has fallen remarkably…!” Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P7.1 Context: when No.19 asks to fight Vegeta No.20: “You’re so greedy…Even though you sucked so much energy out of Son Goku, and have raised your absolute power…” no, they are actually increasing their maximum power, not just recharging.
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No. 20	Dec 31 2013, 12:44 AM Post #17
Posts: 81 Group: Member Member #9,389 Joined: April 17, 2013	lunar2 Dec 31 2013, 12:39 AM The Doctor Dec 31 2013, 12:29 AM SuperSaiyan2 Dec 31 2013, 12:22 AM I just don't see why Gero would see them as being valuable if they were so weak. Perhaps the absorption models do not use stolen energy as adding to their power but rather allowing them to utilize more of their own potential. Like a phone battery needing charging after strenuous use (playing games or watching videos), and then able to be used to it's fullest after the charge. If the humans possess enough raw energy to be used as fuel for more powerful attacks then they would be useful for 19 and 20. Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P14.6 Context: after No.19 absorbs Goku’s attack No.20: “Alright! No.19’s maximum power rating has greatly increased from what it was before! In contrast, Son Goku’s energy has fallen remarkably…!” Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P7.1 Context: when No.19 asks to fight Vegeta No.20: “You’re so greedy…Even though you sucked so much energy out of Son Goku, and have raised your absolute power…” no, they are actually increasing their maximum power, not just recharging. Again....in the the context of 20 finding the humans useful.....he perhaps simply needed to restore his own power rather need theirs to add to his own.



SSJ	Dec 31 2013, 12:45 AM Post #18
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Restoring a power level in the hundreds of thousands to a power level in the hundreds of millions wouldn't even make a dent, so I don't see what the point would be.



No. 20	Dec 31 2013, 01:00 AM Post #19
Posts: 81 Group: Member Member #9,389 Joined: April 17, 2013	SuperSaiyan2 Dec 31 2013, 12:45 AM Restoring a power level in the hundreds of thousands to a power level in the hundreds of millions wouldn't even make a dent, so I don't see what the point would be. What I was trying to get at is that it could be possible that the androids can utilize a large amount of power from a small sample. Again, No.20 was wrong about a lot of things at that point, maybe he just overestimated their usefulness to him, so that is possible as well.



SSJ	Dec 31 2013, 01:08 AM Post #20
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	The Doctor Dec 31 2013, 01:00 AM SuperSaiyan2 Dec 31 2013, 12:45 AM Restoring a power level in the hundreds of thousands to a power level in the hundreds of millions wouldn't even make a dent, so I don't see what the point would be. What I was trying to get at is that it could be possible that the androids can utilize a large amount of power from a small sample. Again, No.20 was wrong about a lot of things at that point, maybe he just overestimated their usefulness to him, so that is possible as well. Eh... It's an interesting theory, but does anything back it up?



No. 20	Dec 31 2013, 01:19 AM Post #21
Posts: 81 Group: Member Member #9,389 Joined: April 17, 2013	SuperSaiyan2 Dec 31 2013, 01:08 AM The Doctor Dec 31 2013, 01:00 AM SuperSaiyan2 Dec 31 2013, 12:45 AM Restoring a power level in the hundreds of thousands to a power level in the hundreds of millions wouldn't even make a dent, so I don't see what the point would be. What I was trying to get at is that it could be possible that the androids can utilize a large amount of power from a small sample. Again, No.20 was wrong about a lot of things at that point, maybe he just overestimated their usefulness to him, so that is possible as well. Eh... It's an interesting theory, but does anything back it up? Well it was a theory to your question that largely has no official answer. But even after encountering Vegeta's Super Saiyan form 20 was under the impression that if he could absorb the combined energies of the rest of the fighters and/or return to his lab for energy that he would be able to beat Vegeta. So perhaps Vegeta hadn't powered up to his full Super Saiyan power vs. 19 and thus gave 20 a misguiding reading. After all Vegeta doesn't seem to exert himself until he encounters 18 (save for firing a blast in frustration of losing sight of 20)



Gracek90	Dec 31 2013, 09:22 AM Post #22
Posts: 566 Group: Member Member #10,535 Joined: November 27, 2013 Gender Male	He did powered up to his full in this fight. If he would be supressed then Piccolo would not make a comment about Vegeta=>Goku. Green guy was able to know everything about SSJ Goku full power (after all he was training with him for about 3 years) and then Vegeta shows up and after brief struggle with C19, Piccolo is able to tell that he probably left Goku in the dust. So it is save to assume that Vegeta went all out. If the energy of earthlings, Gohan and Piccolo + C20 power>Vegeta, then probably at that point of the series they are in the low milions.
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+ Emmeth	Dec 31 2013, 11:13 AM Post #23
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	19/20 mistook Yamcha for Goku, but then again, the last time Gero had any data on Goku was during the Saiyan arc. He was tops 24,000 at that time, and that with 3x Kaio-Ken. Although, Gero might expect Goku to make similar, but probably smaller gains as he did in the afterlife. The androids showed up approx 4 years after the events of the Saiyan battle. Let's look at this. Roughly estimated yearly gains for Goku: 40020 = 8000 800015 = 120,000 120,00010 = 1,200,000 1,200,0005 = 6,000,000 6,000,000*2 = 12,000,000 Meh, that's roughly where I'd put the humans. Tenshinhan and Krillin slightly above. It's about where I have them from before.
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Alex D. Boss	Dec 31 2013, 12:08 PM Post #24
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	The only last feat we know about the Humans is that: Gero's gate > Humans



Vertical	Dec 31 2013, 12:23 PM Post #25
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Humans @Cell Games < Base Saiyans @Androids Edited by Vertical, Dec 31 2013, 12:24 PM.
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Super Gohan	Dec 31 2013, 02:53 PM Post #26
Posts: 674 Group: Member Member #6,283 Joined: May 29, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	The Doctor Dec 31 2013, 01:19 AM Well it was a theory to your question that largely has no official answer. But even after encountering Vegeta's Super Saiyan form 20 was under the impression that if he could absorb the combined energies of the rest of the fighters and/or return to his lab for energy that he would be able to beat Vegeta. So perhaps Vegeta hadn't powered up to his full Super Saiyan power vs. 19 and thus gave 20 a misguiding reading. After all Vegeta doesn't seem to exert himself until he encounters 18 (save for firing a blast in frustration of losing sight of 20) #20 wouldn’t be able to even detect their true power if they weren’t in combat and had deliberately suppressed themselves; which had been affirmed as the manner of action prior to Goku engaging #19 in battle. Right before noticing the others, #20 makes it known that he wants to avoid returning to the laboratory if at all possible. The plan of draining the others of their energy merely gives him validation for not going back there and so he succumbs to wishful thinking. He doesn’t state that he will surpass Vegeta’s power by doing so, only that he will “win” against him. The fact that he was unaware that the energy he’d stolen from Piccolo wasn’t near its true capacity proves he has no idea how strong they actually are, not that his track record up till then had painted him as any bearer of credibility. The only human (aside from Uub) that would evidently need to surpass 10,000 is Krillin, and that’s only due to Guru’s ability.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jan 1 2014, 04:55 AM Post #27
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I have them reaching these levels by the time the cyborgs show up: Kuririn: 1,000,000 Tenshinhan: 720,000 Yamcha: 540,000 Would any of you say this is too excessive?
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SSJ	Jan 1 2014, 05:01 AM Post #28
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Jan 1 2014, 04:55 AM I have them reaching these levels by the time the cyborgs show up: Kuririn: 1,000,000 Tenshinhan: 720,000 Yamcha: 540,000 Would any of you say this is too excessive? I think that should be the bare minimum. I still think they should all at least be in the low millions, otherwise Gero would have just killed them off. He considered them as valuable assets to surpassing Vegeta.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jan 1 2014, 05:24 AM Post #29
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	For those of you who don't think the humans ever came close to the millions, can you provide your battle powers for the Artificial Human Arc, Cell Games Arc, and Buu Arc? I would like some examples because I'm still mulling over where I should place the humans.
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AA500	Jan 1 2014, 05:38 AM Post #30
Posts: 2,079 Group: Member Member #9,363 Joined: April 11, 2013 Gender Not Specified	Krillin would at least be above 180k wouldn't he? Vegeta called pre ~~plot power~~ zenkai Goku useless against Freeza, but thought Krillin would help Edited by AA500, Jan 1 2014, 05:38 AM.



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