bardock1990

Dec 27 2013, 04:51 PM

StrawHatCrew

Dec 27 2013, 04:46 PM

Yeah! Bardock is an a*****.

He is even worse than Nappa, at-least Nappa cared for the SaibaMen & Vegeta or it seemed like it.

This is silly. Vegeta was capable of loving his father, Bardock capable of loving his son in the end. Nappa is a brute who doesn't even know what love is.

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This is silly. Vegeta was capable of loving his father, Bardock capable of loving his son in the end. Nappa is a brute who doesn't even know what love is.

StrawHatCrew

Dec 27 2013, 04:58 PM

bardock1990

Dec 27 2013, 04:51 PM

StrawHatCrew

Dec 27 2013, 04:46 PM

Yeah! Bardock is an a*****.

He is even worse than Nappa, at-least Nappa cared for the SaibaMen & Vegeta or it seemed like it.

This is silly. Vegeta was capable of loving his father, Bardock capable of loving his son in the end. Nappa is a brute who doesn't even know what love is.

What are you talking about, did you see Vegeta's reaction when he heard that Planet Vegeta & his father were dead/destroyed. Vegeta didn't even care.

As for Nappa, he did seemingly care for them. Saying that he was just a brute sounds silly, he still showed emotions.

Also Bardock never really cared for Goku, the only reason he cared for him it seemed was because he saw Goku fighting Freeza in his vision & told him to destroy him. That's all.

lazerbem

Dec 27 2013, 05:02 PM

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This is silly. Vegeta was capable of loving his father, Bardock capable of loving his son in the end. Nappa is a brute who doesn't even know what love is.

Vegeta outright said that he didn't care about the other Saiyans nor his father. Bardock never loved his son, just realized that Goku would kill Frieza. Nappa was shocked and upset when Vegeta killed the Saibamen and actually seemed to like Vegeta.

bardock1990

Dec 27 2013, 05:04 PM

StrawHatCrew

Dec 27 2013, 04:58 PM

bardock1990

Dec 27 2013, 04:51 PM

StrawHatCrew

Dec 27 2013, 04:46 PM

Yeah! Bardock is an a*****.

He is even worse than Nappa, at-least Nappa cared for the SaibaMen & Vegeta or it seemed like it.

This is silly. Vegeta was capable of loving his father, Bardock capable of loving his son in the end. Nappa is a brute who doesn't even know what love is.

What are you talking about, did you see Vegeta's reaction when he heard that Planet Vegeta & his father were dead/destroyed. Vegeta didn't even care.

As for Nappa, he did seemingly care for them. Saying that he was just a brute sounds silly, he still showed emotions.

Also Bardock never really cared for Goku, the only reason he cared for him it seemed was because he saw Goku fighting Freeza in his vision & told him to destroy him. That's all.

Vegeta mentioned his father several times in good ways. That's the only person he loved untill he had a family. Nappa was incapable of something like that, the stuff with the Saibamen had to do with strategy.

Yes Bardock loved Goku when he saw that he would be the one to defeat Frieza, but while that was happening he was being vaporized by Frieza so we never got to see any further character development in that aspect but it's clear that he was capable of loving somebody which can't be said for other saiyans like Nappa or Raditz.

bardock1990

Dec 27 2013, 05:04 PM

StrawHatCrew

Dec 27 2013, 04:58 PM

bardock1990

Dec 27 2013, 04:51 PM

StrawHatCrew

Dec 27 2013, 04:46 PM

Yeah! Bardock is an a*****.

He is even worse than Nappa, at-least Nappa cared for the SaibaMen & Vegeta or it seemed like it.

This is silly. Vegeta was capable of loving his father, Bardock capable of loving his son in the end. Nappa is a brute who doesn't even know what love is.

What are you talking about, did you see Vegeta's reaction when he heard that Planet Vegeta & his father were dead/destroyed. Vegeta didn't even care.

As for Nappa, he did seemingly care for them. Saying that he was just a brute sounds silly, he still showed emotions.

Also Bardock never really cared for Goku, the only reason he cared for him it seemed was because he saw Goku fighting Freeza in his vision & told him to destroy him. That's all.

Vegeta mentioned his father several times in good ways. That's the only person he loved untill he had a family. Nappa was incapable of something like that, the stuff with the Saibamen had to do with strategy.

Yes Bardock loved Goku when he saw that he would be the one to defeat Frieza, but while that was happening he was being vaporized by Frieza so we never got to see any further character development in that aspect but it's clear that he was capable of loving somebody which can't be said for other saiyans like Nappa or Raditz.

bardock1990

Dec 27 2013, 05:07 PM

lazerbem

Dec 27 2013, 05:02 PM

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This is silly. Vegeta was capable of loving his father, Bardock capable of loving his son in the end. Nappa is a brute who doesn't even know what love is.

Vegeta outright said that he didn't care about the other Saiyans nor his father. Bardock never loved his son, just realized that Goku would kill Frieza. Nappa was shocked and upset when Vegeta killed the Saibamen and actually seemed to like Vegeta.

Hater, when did he say that? The filler where Nappa tells him or the canon scene with Dodoria which shocked him? If Vegeta's weeping scene doesn't convince you either then nothing will.

Again, what is this dumb argument about Bardock seeing the vision with you guys? That's what MADE him love his son. You're mentioning the reason he was able to love another person. And in the English dub he blatantly says that he loves his son in the final vision of the movie, but again I must see what the Japanese dub says.

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Yes, Bardock is a hero. Grow past this Disneyfied 8-year old's idea that a hero is automatically a bastion of light and goodness, and you'll see that he's definitely a hero.

As for his body count: Vegeta was about the same. He turned as well. And we've seen that the Z fighters are very much okay and will let a mass murderer (who puts Hitler, Stalin, Mao, everyone else to shame thousands of times over) live with them, on their planet, handle their kids, if they say "I'm sorry, let's be friends" gruffly enough.
Goku was willing to let Frieza go.
Consider that for a moment.

Anyway, Bardock is an anti-hero.

lazerbem

Dec 27 2013, 05:10 PM

bardock1990

Dec 27 2013, 05:04 PM

StrawHatCrew

Dec 27 2013, 04:58 PM

bardock1990

Dec 27 2013, 04:51 PM

StrawHatCrew

Dec 27 2013, 04:46 PM

Yeah! Bardock is an a*****.

He is even worse than Nappa, at-least Nappa cared for the SaibaMen & Vegeta or it seemed like it.

This is silly. Vegeta was capable of loving his father, Bardock capable of loving his son in the end. Nappa is a brute who doesn't even know what love is.

What are you talking about, did you see Vegeta's reaction when he heard that Planet Vegeta & his father were dead/destroyed. Vegeta didn't even care.

As for Nappa, he did seemingly care for them. Saying that he was just a brute sounds silly, he still showed emotions.

Also Bardock never really cared for Goku, the only reason he cared for him it seemed was because he saw Goku fighting Freeza in his vision & told him to destroy him. That's all.

Vegeta mentioned his father several times in good ways. That's the only person he loved untill he had a family. Nappa was incapable of something like that, the stuff with the Saibamen had to do with strategy.

Yes Bardock loved Goku when he saw that he would be the one to defeat Frieza, but while that was happening he was being vaporized by Frieza so we never got to see any further character development in that aspect but it's clear that he was capable of loving somebody which can't be said for other saiyans like Nappa or Raditz.

Vegeta never mentioned his father in a positive light at all, save the English dub.

Nappa was upset when the Saibamen was killed in the way you might be upset if someone killed your flower garden. Nappa did care for the Saibamen beyond strategy.

Bardock didn't care about Goku what so ever until he was literally getting killed. By that logic, I could have Nappa caring for Vegeta because he screams "VEGETA!" as he dies

lazerbem

Dec 27 2013, 05:15 PM

What heroic thing did Bardock do? Because if Zarbon, Ginyu, or Frieza were in his position, they'd do the same thing

lazerbem

Dec 27 2013, 05:15 PM

bardock1990

Dec 27 2013, 05:07 PM

lazerbem

Dec 27 2013, 05:02 PM

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This is silly. Vegeta was capable of loving his father, Bardock capable of loving his son in the end. Nappa is a brute who doesn't even know what love is.

Vegeta outright said that he didn't care about the other Saiyans nor his father. Bardock never loved his son, just realized that Goku would kill Frieza. Nappa was shocked and upset when Vegeta killed the Saibamen and actually seemed to like Vegeta.

Hater, when did he say that? The filler where Nappa tells him or the canon scene with Dodoria which shocked him? If Vegeta's weeping scene doesn't convince you either then nothing will.

Again, what is this dumb argument about Bardock seeing the vision with you guys? That's what MADE him love his son. You're mentioning the reason he was able to love another person. And in the English dub he blatantly says that he loves his son in the final vision of the movie, but again I must see what the Japanese dub says.

I'm talking about when Vegeta says to Dodoria, "I don't care about my father or fellow Saiyans"

Again, when Vegeta was crying, in the Manga he said crap about his father. Try again and read the manga.

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Yes, Bardock is a hero. Grow past this Disneyfied 8-year old's idea that a hero is automatically a bastion of light and goodness, and you'll see that he's definitely a hero.

As for his body count: Vegeta was about the same. He turned as well. And we've seen that the Z fighters are very much okay and will let a mass murderer (who puts Hitler, Stalin, Mao, everyone else to shame thousands of times over) live with them, on their planet, handle their kids, if they say "I'm sorry, let's be friends" gruffly enough.
Goku was willing to let Frieza go.
Consider that for a moment.

Anyway, Bardock is an anti-hero.

What heroic thing did Bardock do? Because if Zarbon, Ginyu, or Frieza were in his position, they'd do the same thing

bardock1990

Dec 27 2013, 05:20 PM

lazerbem

Dec 27 2013, 05:10 PM

bardock1990

Dec 27 2013, 05:04 PM

StrawHatCrew

Dec 27 2013, 04:58 PM

bardock1990

Dec 27 2013, 04:51 PM

StrawHatCrew

Dec 27 2013, 04:46 PM

Yeah! Bardock is an a*****.

He is even worse than Nappa, at-least Nappa cared for the SaibaMen & Vegeta or it seemed like it.

This is silly. Vegeta was capable of loving his father, Bardock capable of loving his son in the end. Nappa is a brute who doesn't even know what love is.

What are you talking about, did you see Vegeta's reaction when he heard that Planet Vegeta & his father were dead/destroyed. Vegeta didn't even care.

As for Nappa, he did seemingly care for them. Saying that he was just a brute sounds silly, he still showed emotions.

Also Bardock never really cared for Goku, the only reason he cared for him it seemed was because he saw Goku fighting Freeza in his vision & told him to destroy him. That's all.

Vegeta mentioned his father several times in good ways. That's the only person he loved untill he had a family. Nappa was incapable of something like that, the stuff with the Saibamen had to do with strategy.

Yes Bardock loved Goku when he saw that he would be the one to defeat Frieza, but while that was happening he was being vaporized by Frieza so we never got to see any further character development in that aspect but it's clear that he was capable of loving somebody which can't be said for other saiyans like Nappa or Raditz.

Vegeta never mentioned his father in a positive light at all, save the English dub.

Nappa was upset when the Saibamen was killed in the way you might be upset if someone killed your flower garden. Nappa did care for the Saibamen beyond strategy.

Bardock didn't care about Goku what so ever until he was literally getting killed. By that logic, I could have Nappa caring for Vegeta because he screams "VEGETA!" as he dies

He did mention him when he was dying as well as his race and planet, this was to encourage Goku. He wouldn't have even mentioned his father if he didn't love him.

http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c308/3

Nappa loving Saibamen LOL. This is too laughable to even talk about any further.

Again, look at the ending of the movie where his spirit is still talking to Goku. The scene where his headband is floating in space/ He clearly talks about how he loves Goku and regrets not being there for him when he had the chance. That and his death scene proves me right, you're just trying to change the whole meaning because you absolutely hate the character for whatever reason. What is your problem with Bardock anyway?

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He chose to stand against Frieza to defend his race. He knew Frieza was going to exterminate the Saiyans, and decided to fight back.

It's called grey vs black morality. Maybe evil vs evil as well.

The point is, the hero as a protagonist is the one we're supposed to support. In Bardock's special, he's the protagonist; thus, he's the (anti)hero. I still think you're looking at this from too much a "villain vs villain" perspective.

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What would you know about anything heroic, you're sporting a my little pony av and sig

Bardock took it upon himself to save his race and planet, knowing he had no chance and all of this while bleeding to death. hero or anti-hero whatever you wanna call it, he defines it.

lazerbem

Dec 27 2013, 05:25 PM

I don't hate Bardock in anyway, I just don't think he's a hero.

Vegeta didn't refer to his father in a good way, if anything he's just boosting his ego because he wants Frieza to die by a Saiyan, not the thousands of others who have reasons to kill him.

Nappa cared more for the Saibamen than Bardock did for Goku

Again, English Dub sucks, especially in the Bardock movie.

bardock1990

Dec 27 2013, 05:33 PM

lazerbem

Dec 27 2013, 05:25 PM

I don't hate Bardock in anyway, I just don't think he's a hero.

Vegeta didn't refer to his father in a good way, if anything he's just boosting his ego because he wants Frieza to die by a Saiyan, not the thousands of others who have reasons to kill him.

Nappa cared more for the Saibamen than Bardock did for Goku

Again, English Dub sucks, especially in the Bardock movie.

I think it goes beyond hating Bardock, he must have been in your nightmares prohibiting you from watching my little pony. You have no objectivity when it comes to this character.

http://www.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/c308/3
I just proved you wrong and you're still not accepting it. It has nothing to do with boosting his ego. Vegeta is reasoning with Goku, trying to make him realise that he must kill Frieza because of the things he has done. Things that Vegeta feels were wrong, so he mentions the planet and his father who were killed. If he didn't care he would not have mentioned it, period.


Show me then what bardock says in the final scene of the Japanese movie? What do you think he was talking about in that vision, that he hates his sons guts or that he was hungry for steak? What would make more sense to you? I haven't seen the Japanese dub so unfortunately I can't provide proof yet but maybe you can to prove me wrong.