Is anyone annoyed by people calling Goku/Chi-Chi bad parents?

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Is anyone annoyed by people calling Goku/Chi-Chi bad parents?
Tweet Topic Started: Dec 27 2013, 02:39 PM (2,932 Views)
ILikeSugar22	Dec 27 2013, 02:39 PM Post #1
Posts: 9 Group: New Member Member #10,632 Joined: December 27, 2013 Gender Female	While I do agree that Goku and Chi-Chi aren't the most superb parents because of how neglectful Goku can be and how overprotective Chi-Chi was until she gave up in the Buu Saga, doesn't anyone think that calling them bad/abusive parents a bit harsh? Now let's start with Goku. First off, he's a SAIYAN who spent most of his life living in the woods with no parents. Let's not forget that Saiyans in general don't really make good parents. I mean Goku's own father was an even worse parent than he was because of how he abandoned Goku to let him be raised by a stranger, and I don't see fans criticizing him. At least Goku got to know his kids. Plus, I do notice that fans do say that Vegeta was a better father than Goku because he stook around, but fans tend to ignore that Vegeta wasn't always a good parent until the end of the Buu Saga when he started thinking about his family. While Goku was neglectful, he still has a good relationship with his kids and they do love him. So I don't think either Goku or Vegeta will be winning Father of the Year awards. Lastly, there's Chi-Chi. Now I understand the fandom doesn't like her too much because of her awful portrayal in the anime (she's way more chill in the manga, to be honest), but some fans insist she was an awful/abusive mother to Gohan and Goten. While Chi-Chi wasn't the perfect mother because she was too overbearing/smothering the earlier seasons with Gohan, I don't think she was close to being an awful mother because Gohan and Goten have shown that they love and respect her. She did mellow out in the Buu Saga and started allowing her boys to fight, fans still insist she is a terrible mother and a human being all-around. Despite all this, fans do demonize Goku and Chi-Chi's brand of parenting and insist that their kid would be better off raised by Piccolo, Bulma, and Vegeta. Now if Goku and Chi-Chi were outright abusive and hateful towards their kids and Gohan and Goten showed signs of hating their parents and psychological damage, I would support this claim 100%. The reason why I don't support the claim because despite their flaws, I think Goku and Chi-Chi were okay parents.



Goddess Ultimecia	Dec 27 2013, 02:40 PM Post #2
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Chi-Chi isn't a bad parent. Goku is however by human standards. Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Dec 27 2013, 02:40 PM.
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lazerbem	Dec 27 2013, 02:53 PM Post #3
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Goku is a heinous parent, remember how he refused to be brought back for the dumbest of reasons? Goku does love his kids and they love him back but he is not a good parent. Vegeta is even worse though and Bardock, well, Bardock was just another Frieza Soldier who killed people, nothing special other than that he failed miserably at killing Frieza
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Alex D. Boss	Dec 27 2013, 03:08 PM Post #4
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	They did everything to be a good dad/mother.



ILikeSugar22	Dec 27 2013, 03:34 PM Post #5
Posts: 9 Group: New Member Member #10,632 Joined: December 27, 2013 Gender Female	lazerbem Dec 27 2013, 02:53 PM Goku is a heinous parent, remember how he refused to be brought back for the dumbest of reasons? Goku does love his kids and they love him back but he is not a good parent. Vegeta is even worse though and Bardock, well, Bardock was just another Frieza Soldier who killed people, nothing special other than that he failed miserably at killing Frieza Sadly, Goku could have been better than he really was. I always though that Vegeta in the Cell Saga was the worst one because of his treatment of Future and Baby Trunks.



Hearts	Dec 27 2013, 03:43 PM Post #6
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	Goku is an awful parent by any standard.. You saying that hes a saiyan doesnt excuse it, thats like saying that King Vegeta or Bardock is a good parent. Goku spent a total of 8 years with Gohan, basically half of his life. He also spent 8 years with Chi-Chi and he spent 1 day with Goten. Vegeta spent his entire life with Trunks, his personality makes him a bad father but you can clearly see that he cares about his son enough, this is after the Cell Games ofcourse. So Vegeta isnt a good father but hes not a bad father, its not like hes abusing drugs, spending money on random stuff instead of food or stuff like that. So by Human standards, Vegeta is an average father.. Chichi is a good mother.. Tell me, how many of you would send your 5 year old son to fight people who has slaughtered billions? and keep remembering that your son will also be WEAKER than those people... Edited by Hearts, Dec 27 2013, 03:44 PM.



Instant Transmission	Dec 27 2013, 03:47 PM Post #7
Posts: 884 Group: Probation Member #10,599 Joined: December 19, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime you know what, this changes alot.. so fuck it What Browser do you use? Chrome	Staying dead knowing your not gonna be a cloud and traininf is a very good reason to stay dead
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lazerbem	Dec 27 2013, 03:59 PM Post #8
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Instant Transmission Dec 27 2013, 03:47 PM Staying dead knowing your not gonna be a cloud and traininf is a very good reason to stay dead That's a terrible reason, why didn't he let himself get wished back? Goku is obssessed with fighting and getting stronger, which he could have done on Earth but no, he has to ditch them
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Instant Transmission	Dec 27 2013, 04:17 PM Post #9
Posts: 884 Group: Probation Member #10,599 Joined: December 19, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime you know what, this changes alot.. so fuck it What Browser do you use? Chrome	we dont want him as strong as vegeta pre majin. besides he cant be wished back. Only porunga or a generous person can bring him back to life. If i were dead and death was like in dbz id refuse to live again if it meant that next time id be a cloud.(thats not the case here)
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bardock1990	Dec 27 2013, 04:48 PM Post #10
Posts: 1,078 Group: Member Member #8,530 Joined: November 6, 2012	Chichi is a great parent, Goku a terrible one. Children need a father who is always around, even if he is cold and harsh(Which makes Vegeta a better father than Goku). Not a father who is very loving but almost never around.



lazerbem	Dec 27 2013, 04:48 PM Post #11
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Instant Transmission Dec 27 2013, 04:17 PM we dont want him as strong as vegeta pre majin. besides he cant be wished back. Only porunga or a generous person can bring him back to life. If i were dead and death was like in dbz id refuse to live again if it meant that next time id be a cloud.(thats not the case here) They could revive Goku with Porunga, it wouldn't be too hard to ask King Kai to tell the Namekians to do that
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EMIYA	Dec 27 2013, 05:13 PM Post #12
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Chi-Chi is only strict and has always had the best intentions of her sons as well as, you know...actually raising them and understanding them. Akira Toriyama himself has said that Goku's a terrible parent. He sucks, he knows nothing about his children, nothing about their likes and dislikes. He's constantly leaving them behind to do whatever the hell he likes and when he is around, its just to train and get stronger mostly for himself and just bring them along for the ride. Goku spent an entire year with Gohan in the ROSAT and learned jack crap about his son. He didn't see a son, he saw a potential fighter that could take Cell down and sent Gohan out and smiled the entire time he got his tailed end whooped. It wasn't until Piccolo had to smack Goku upside the head verbally that the guy realized how much he **ed up and he still continues to ** up. He's constantly putting his sons and families in danger, constantly thinking he knows what they want when they don't, constantly leaving them to train random kids he assumes is the reincarnation of an evil demon. As much as they try to make Goku into some pure hearted hero, he clearly has more concern about his own fights and battles then he ever did about his own family and while this might have been excusable earlier in the series as because of Goku's naivety, it's not acceptable now when he's had the time to mature. It's no wonder the Abridged Gohan looks like he's about to drop kick his father through a mountain. Over all, Goku's status a family member is about as good as a lollipop surviving Boo and at least AT has acknowledged this aspect of Goku as well.



Yuli Ban	Dec 27 2013, 05:14 PM Post #13
Posts: 386 Group: Member Member #9,907 Joined: August 14, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon Ball; One Piece; GitS; AKIRA; Yuyu Hakusho; Gunnm; FLCL What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragon Ball; FLCL; Berserk; Durarara!!	Chi-chi is so incredibly strict, to the point of an almost delusional idea that her son studying and doing homework is more important than whether he lives or dies. In that sense, she can be seen as a bad parent. However, I've always seen as being more or less a "strong mother" taken to the extreme. It's dubious if she's really "bad" or not, as she was so very okay with raising Gohan (and Goten) by herself and doing a pretty good job at it, as well as knew when to let her sons go on and do what they had to do (rather than rushing them off). Goku is a mother f**er who should never have been allowed near children. I bet the only reason he didn't just IT Cell into the void of space with just a few wastes of ki signals to latch onto and return to Earth was because he wanted to get out of supporting 2 sons. /blacksarcasm /no,notTHATblack,racist If I were a parent, as much as I'd want my superpowered children to become demigods, allowing them to get pulverized by super sadistic demons-in-the-flesh and then not even being sure if what you're doing will work... I mean, wow. And that's just the start. At the very least, Vegeta bonded with his son somewhat. I personally think that the only reason he trained Gohan was just to have a strong sparring partner. And I never thought he cared too much about Goten. Never had a reason, I admit (the 7 years he was alive, Goku was dead; the day after he meets his second son, Goten is killed, I mean, yeah. That's a life.) God, I needed this catharsis. Edited by Yuli Ban*, Dec 27 2013, 05:17 PM.
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Hearts	Dec 27 2013, 08:05 PM Post #14
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	Sky Hedgehogian Maestro Dec 27 2013, 05:14 PM Chi-chi is so incredibly strict, to the point of an almost delusional idea that her son studying and doing homework is more important than whether he lives or dies. In that sense, she can be seen as a bad parent. However, I've always seen as being more or less a "strong mother" taken to the extreme. It's dubious if she's really "bad" or not, as she was so very okay with raising Gohan (and Goten) by herself and doing a pretty good job at it, as well as knew when to let her sons go on and do what they had to do (rather than rushing them off). Goku is a mother f**er who should never have been allowed near children. I bet the only reason he didn't just IT Cell into the void of space with just a few wastes of ki signals to latch onto and return to Earth was because he wanted to get out of supporting 2 sons. /blacksarcasm /no,notTHATblack,racist If I were a parent, as much as I'd want my superpowered children to become demigods, allowing them to get pulverized by super sadistic demons-in-the-flesh and then not even being sure if what you're doing will work... I mean, wow. And that's just the start. At the very least, Vegeta bonded with his son somewhat*. I personally think that the only reason he trained Gohan was just to have a strong sparring partner. And I never thought he cared too much about Goten. Never had a reason, I admit (the 7 years he was alive, Goku was dead; the day after he meets his second son, Goten is killed, I mean, yeah. That's a life.) God, I needed this catharsis. There is WHITE jokes and DARK jokes, its not Black Jokes :P So by the law invested by every stupid people in the world, you said the word black so you are now a racist And Back to topic; Chi-Chi is incredibly strict from OUR point of view, we KNOW what Gohan can do, we KNOW that hes one of the Z-Fighters.. Chi-Chi doesnt understand that, the kid is like 6 years old for crying out loud (at the time when Goku tells Chichi that htey have to train for 3 years).. Chi-Chi is reasonable, Goku is the psychopath here



Slifer	Dec 27 2013, 08:36 PM Post #15
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	Chi-Chi is a normal parent in a very unormal circumstance. She just wants her son to succeed in the casual life, but he and her husband just happen to be aliens and two of the strongest people in the universe. The problem is she's too good of a parent. Willing to sacrifice the entire human population for Gohan's studies. Goku is just a lousy parent that abandoned his family multiple times for no real justifiable reason. End of it.



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