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Dec 24 2013, 06:37 PM

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Dec 24 2013, 04:35 PM

Quoting limited to 10 levels deepThere ain’t any other way to beat Majin Boo!”

The Fusion Dance Gokan was enough to beat Bootenks stated by Elder Kai and Goku. But Boohan said that he would beat Gogeta (who was equal to Gokan) means he was referring to SSJ3. So only SSJ3 Gogeta could beat Bootenks.

Where's the quote for that statement?

If it's when he met up with Vegeta and Goku then that's bias because he knew that Goku was going to use the earrings.

Also If what you say is correct then that should put Gogeta (Gohan) above Buutenks as a Super Saiyan. Because Buu had an idea how big the boost would be, having the kids in all, and was unaware if the earrings were gonna have the same results. And with his strength furthered increased he was confident even a SSJ3 Gogeta (Gohan) wouldn't work NOW.

Buutenks > / / < SSJ Gogeta (Gohan) < SSJ2 Gogeta (Gohan) < SSJ3 Gogeta (Gohan) ~ Base Vegito > / / < Buuhan < < SSJ Vegito

And if Goku was unsure if the Potara would be enough to beat Buuhan, he says there isn't any other way because his Super Saiyan 3 power alone is nothing to Buuhan, and Gogeta's advantage is now gone.

Goku started as a Super Saiyan, the most basic form, as Vegito, so he would have for Gogeta as well.

Goku knew Potara is the only way to win. He never mentioned about which form he was going to use against Vegito.

Goku didn't know, 100%, but he'd figured since even a SSJ3 Gogeta will be useless now against Buuhan, now and if it was the only way to win then he would have transformed into a SSJ3 right off the bat to make sure they win.

If SSJ2 Gogeta was strong enough to beat Boohan then Goku would have preferred the Fusion Dance with Vegeta instead of Potara. Goku said Potara is the only way to win but he didn't needed SSJ3 as Vegito because SSJ was enough to beat Boohan.

Look Gogeta was a non-factor against Buuhan, so he took the option of fusing with Vegeta via Potara, since he was encouraged with the power of the Potara by Elder Kaioshin of it's effect. And I never deduced that a Gogeta could beat Buuhan anyway, I was talking about BuuTENKS.

And how could Goku know a SSJ Vegito could beat Buuhan? Just because he saw Eastern Kaioshin and Kibito fuse don't really explain much seeing the big difference in power between the two, Goku and Vegeta were equals so the power Vegito got is because of those two high power levels, even Elder Kaioshin says this after Kibito Kai is shocked that the Potara are more powerful than he thought, with Old Geezer debunking him of why it's actually those two. That shows that the boost Kibito Kaioshin isn't linear with the one Vegito got.

So you agree that only SSJ3 Gogeta would beat Bootenks?

Exactly, That's why Vegito was surprised of his power. Goku figured out his Potara's Boost due to Kibitoshin but it was way higher than that. And it has nothing to do with Fusion Dance.

No I'm not agreeing look both of the Fusions were referring to different scenarios.

Goku was confident with beating Buutenks with Fusion, yet Elder Kaioshin states Buu won't wait to be crushed. And since Vegito started as a Super Saiyan, then SSJ Gogeta seems like the logical form for them to use as.


Buutenks < SSJ Gogeta

And for the case of Gohan with the Potara again.

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

Goku once again refers to Super Saiyan, so I believe that Goku was also planning to use the Super Saiyan against Buutenks as well since he thought even after Elder Kaioshin explained that the effect is greater, Goku still feels (felt) the need to go Super Saiyan.

So:

Buutenks < Base Gogeta (Gohan; Potara) = SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion)

Prove this wrong.

Goku questioned going SSJ before fusion after hearing that the Potara was superior to regular fusion, so it's far from guaranteed that Fusion dance SSJ Gokhan would be above Gotenks Buu. Goku could've also been using Super Saiyan as a collective for his higher transformations as well, given that Elder Kaioshin didn't know any details on the forms other than them being power amps, so he could've also been referring to SS2 and SS3 with that statement.

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Dec 28 2013, 03:04 PM

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Dec 24 2013, 10:31 PM

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Dec 24 2013, 06:37 PM

Quoting limited to 10 levels deepThere ain’t any other way to beat Majin Boo!”

Where's the quote for that statement?

If it's when he met up with Vegeta and Goku then that's bias because he knew that Goku was going to use the earrings.

Also If what you say is correct then that should put Gogeta (Gohan) above Buutenks as a Super Saiyan. Because Buu had an idea how big the boost would be, having the kids in all, and was unaware if the earrings were gonna have the same results. And with his strength furthered increased he was confident even a SSJ3 Gogeta (Gohan) wouldn't work NOW.

Buutenks > / / < SSJ Gogeta (Gohan) < SSJ2 Gogeta (Gohan) < SSJ3 Gogeta (Gohan) ~ Base Vegito > / / < Buuhan < < SSJ Vegito

And if Goku was unsure if the Potara would be enough to beat Buuhan, he says there isn't any other way because his Super Saiyan 3 power alone is nothing to Buuhan, and Gogeta's advantage is now gone.

Goku started as a Super Saiyan, the most basic form, as Vegito, so he would have for Gogeta as well.

Goku knew Potara is the only way to win. He never mentioned about which form he was going to use against Vegito.

Goku didn't know, 100%, but he'd figured since even a SSJ3 Gogeta will be useless now against Buuhan, now and if it was the only way to win then he would have transformed into a SSJ3 right off the bat to make sure they win.

If SSJ2 Gogeta was strong enough to beat Boohan then Goku would have preferred the Fusion Dance with Vegeta instead of Potara. Goku said Potara is the only way to win but he didn't needed SSJ3 as Vegito because SSJ was enough to beat Boohan.

Look Gogeta was a non-factor against Buuhan, so he took the option of fusing with Vegeta via Potara, since he was encouraged with the power of the Potara by Elder Kaioshin of it's effect. And I never deduced that a Gogeta could beat Buuhan anyway, I was talking about BuuTENKS.

And how could Goku know a SSJ Vegito could beat Buuhan? Just because he saw Eastern Kaioshin and Kibito fuse don't really explain much seeing the big difference in power between the two, Goku and Vegeta were equals so the power Vegito got is because of those two high power levels, even Elder Kaioshin says this after Kibito Kai is shocked that the Potara are more powerful than he thought, with Old Geezer debunking him of why it's actually those two. That shows that the boost Kibito Kaioshin isn't linear with the one Vegito got.

So you agree that only SSJ3 Gogeta would beat Bootenks?

Exactly, That's why Vegito was surprised of his power. Goku figured out his Potara's Boost due to Kibitoshin but it was way higher than that. And it has nothing to do with Fusion Dance.

No I'm not agreeing look both of the Fusions were referring to different scenarios.

Goku was confident with beating Buutenks with Fusion, yet Elder Kaioshin states Buu won't wait to be crushed. And since Vegito started as a Super Saiyan, then SSJ Gogeta seems like the logical form for them to use as.


Buutenks < SSJ Gogeta

And for the case of Gohan with the Potara again.

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

Goku once again refers to Super Saiyan, so I believe that Goku was also planning to use the Super Saiyan against Buutenks as well since he thought even after Elder Kaioshin explained that the effect is greater, Goku still feels (felt) the need to go Super Saiyan.

So:

Buutenks < Base Gogeta (Gohan; Potara) = SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion)

Prove this wrong.

Goku questioned going SSJ before fusion after hearing that the Potara was superior to regular fusion, so it's far from guaranteed that Fusion dance SSJ Gokhan would be above Gotenks Buu. Goku could've also been using Super Saiyan as a collective for his higher transformations as well, given that Elder Kaioshin didn't know any details on the forms other than them being power amps, so he could've also been referring to SS2 and SS3 with that statement.

Potara > Fusion

Gogeta (Gohan; Potara) > SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion)

Goku suggested the Fusion so he would most likely use the standard form as a start off point. With the Potara, by now is aware of the fact that the effect is greater than Fusion, is still wondering if he should go Super Saiyan first to maximize the Potara's power.


Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

Now, Goku was mostly confident of a SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion) beating Buutenks, and later he suggests going SSJ to maximize the Potara, and is later told by Elder Kaioshin, that he PROBABLY won't need it, and by this time Goku saw how big the non-linear boost was. so at the least:

Base Gogeta (Gohan; Potara expected) ~ SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion [Goku's confident]) > ~ Buutenks

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Dec 24 2013, 10:31 PM

Quoting limited to 10 levels deepThere ain’t any other way to beat Majin Boo!”

Goku knew Potara is the only way to win. He never mentioned about which form he was going to use against Vegito.

Goku didn't know, 100%, but he'd figured since even a SSJ3 Gogeta will be useless now against Buuhan, now and if it was the only way to win then he would have transformed into a SSJ3 right off the bat to make sure they win.

If SSJ2 Gogeta was strong enough to beat Boohan then Goku would have preferred the Fusion Dance with Vegeta instead of Potara. Goku said Potara is the only way to win but he didn't needed SSJ3 as Vegito because SSJ was enough to beat Boohan.

Look Gogeta was a non-factor against Buuhan, so he took the option of fusing with Vegeta via Potara, since he was encouraged with the power of the Potara by Elder Kaioshin of it's effect. And I never deduced that a Gogeta could beat Buuhan anyway, I was talking about BuuTENKS.

And how could Goku know a SSJ Vegito could beat Buuhan? Just because he saw Eastern Kaioshin and Kibito fuse don't really explain much seeing the big difference in power between the two, Goku and Vegeta were equals so the power Vegito got is because of those two high power levels, even Elder Kaioshin says this after Kibito Kai is shocked that the Potara are more powerful than he thought, with Old Geezer debunking him of why it's actually those two. That shows that the boost Kibito Kaioshin isn't linear with the one Vegito got.

So you agree that only SSJ3 Gogeta would beat Bootenks?

Exactly, That's why Vegito was surprised of his power. Goku figured out his Potara's Boost due to Kibitoshin but it was way higher than that. And it has nothing to do with Fusion Dance.

No I'm not agreeing look both of the Fusions were referring to different scenarios.

Goku was confident with beating Buutenks with Fusion, yet Elder Kaioshin states Buu won't wait to be crushed. And since Vegito started as a Super Saiyan, then SSJ Gogeta seems like the logical form for them to use as.


Buutenks < SSJ Gogeta

And for the case of Gohan with the Potara again.

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

Goku once again refers to Super Saiyan, so I believe that Goku was also planning to use the Super Saiyan against Buutenks as well since he thought even after Elder Kaioshin explained that the effect is greater, Goku still feels (felt) the need to go Super Saiyan.

So:

Buutenks < Base Gogeta (Gohan; Potara) = SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion)

Prove this wrong.

Goku questioned going SSJ before fusion after hearing that the Potara was superior to regular fusion, so it's far from guaranteed that Fusion dance SSJ Gokhan would be above Gotenks Buu. Goku could've also been using Super Saiyan as a collective for his higher transformations as well, given that Elder Kaioshin didn't know any details on the forms other than them being power amps, so he could've also been referring to SS2 and SS3 with that statement.

Potara > Fusion

Gogeta (Gohan; Potara) > SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion)

Goku suggested the Fusion so he would most likely use the standard form as a start off point. With the Potara, by now is aware of the fact that the effect is greater than Fusion, is still wondering if he should go Super Saiyan first to maximize the Potara's power.


Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

Now, Goku was mostly confident of a SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion) beating Buutenks, and later he suggests going SSJ to maximize the Potara, and is later told by Elder Kaioshin, that he PROBABLY won't need it, and by this time Goku saw how big the non-linear boost was. so at the least:

Base Gogeta (Gohan; Potara expected) ~ SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion [Goku's confident]) > ~ Buutenks

Elder Kai told him of the greater effect already. While it could potentially mean that, it's unlikely given other implications of Boohan > SSJ3 Gogeta. Goku's considering the greater effect when he says that.

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Dec 30 2013, 02:23 AM

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Dec 25 2013, 04:55 PM

Quoting limited to 10 levels deepThere ain’t any other way to beat Majin Boo!”

Goku didn't know, 100%, but he'd figured since even a SSJ3 Gogeta will be useless now against Buuhan, now and if it was the only way to win then he would have transformed into a SSJ3 right off the bat to make sure they win.

If SSJ2 Gogeta was strong enough to beat Boohan then Goku would have preferred the Fusion Dance with Vegeta instead of Potara. Goku said Potara is the only way to win but he didn't needed SSJ3 as Vegito because SSJ was enough to beat Boohan.

Look Gogeta was a non-factor against Buuhan, so he took the option of fusing with Vegeta via Potara, since he was encouraged with the power of the Potara by Elder Kaioshin of it's effect. And I never deduced that a Gogeta could beat Buuhan anyway, I was talking about BuuTENKS.

And how could Goku know a SSJ Vegito could beat Buuhan? Just because he saw Eastern Kaioshin and Kibito fuse don't really explain much seeing the big difference in power between the two, Goku and Vegeta were equals so the power Vegito got is because of those two high power levels, even Elder Kaioshin says this after Kibito Kai is shocked that the Potara are more powerful than he thought, with Old Geezer debunking him of why it's actually those two. That shows that the boost Kibito Kaioshin isn't linear with the one Vegito got.

So you agree that only SSJ3 Gogeta would beat Bootenks?

Exactly, That's why Vegito was surprised of his power. Goku figured out his Potara's Boost due to Kibitoshin but it was way higher than that. And it has nothing to do with Fusion Dance.

No I'm not agreeing look both of the Fusions were referring to different scenarios.

Goku was confident with beating Buutenks with Fusion, yet Elder Kaioshin states Buu won't wait to be crushed. And since Vegito started as a Super Saiyan, then SSJ Gogeta seems like the logical form for them to use as.


Buutenks < SSJ Gogeta

And for the case of Gohan with the Potara again.

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

Goku once again refers to Super Saiyan, so I believe that Goku was also planning to use the Super Saiyan against Buutenks as well since he thought even after Elder Kaioshin explained that the effect is greater, Goku still feels (felt) the need to go Super Saiyan.

So:

Buutenks < Base Gogeta (Gohan; Potara) = SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion)

Prove this wrong.

Goku questioned going SSJ before fusion after hearing that the Potara was superior to regular fusion, so it's far from guaranteed that Fusion dance SSJ Gokhan would be above Gotenks Buu. Goku could've also been using Super Saiyan as a collective for his higher transformations as well, given that Elder Kaioshin didn't know any details on the forms other than them being power amps, so he could've also been referring to SS2 and SS3 with that statement.

Potara > Fusion

Gogeta (Gohan; Potara) > SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion)

Goku suggested the Fusion so he would most likely use the standard form as a start off point. With the Potara, by now is aware of the fact that the effect is greater than Fusion, is still wondering if he should go Super Saiyan first to maximize the Potara's power.


Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

Now, Goku was mostly confident of a SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion) beating Buutenks, and later he suggests going SSJ to maximize the Potara, and is later told by Elder Kaioshin, that he PROBABLY won't need it, and by this time Goku saw how big the non-linear boost was. so at the least:

Base Gogeta (Gohan; Potara expected) ~ SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion [Goku's confident]) > ~ Buutenks

Elder Kai told him of the greater effect already. While it could potentially mean that, it's unlikely given other implications of Boohan > SSJ3 Gogeta. Goku's considering the greater effect when he says that.

I know. There's no implications, because even Goku himself said that a Potara with Vegeta is the only hope (at this point Gohan is gone and powered up Buu considerably). If you look at the scale I made back I still have their Base Potara Fusion equal than their SSJ Fusion Dance counterpart. That essentially makes the Potara greater.


Buuhan > Base Vegito > Base Gogeta (Gohan; Potara [Elder Kai's guess]) ~ SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion [Goku's confident]) > Buutenks > Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks

Elder Kaioshin already explained their base should be enough, after Goku suggests going SSJ first, even though he witnessed the boost Kibito Kai got.

Since Goku suggested SSJ first for the Potara, we can assume that he would go SSJ for the Fusion Dance as well, especially since we're already aware of the boost by that point.

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Dec 30 2013, 08:47 AM

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Dec 25 2013, 10:02 PM

Quoting limited to 10 levels deepThere ain’t any other way to beat Majin Boo!”

If SSJ2 Gogeta was strong enough to beat Boohan then Goku would have preferred the Fusion Dance with Vegeta instead of Potara. Goku said Potara is the only way to win but he didn't needed SSJ3 as Vegito because SSJ was enough to beat Boohan.

Look Gogeta was a non-factor against Buuhan, so he took the option of fusing with Vegeta via Potara, since he was encouraged with the power of the Potara by Elder Kaioshin of it's effect. And I never deduced that a Gogeta could beat Buuhan anyway, I was talking about BuuTENKS.

And how could Goku know a SSJ Vegito could beat Buuhan? Just because he saw Eastern Kaioshin and Kibito fuse don't really explain much seeing the big difference in power between the two, Goku and Vegeta were equals so the power Vegito got is because of those two high power levels, even Elder Kaioshin says this after Kibito Kai is shocked that the Potara are more powerful than he thought, with Old Geezer debunking him of why it's actually those two. That shows that the boost Kibito Kaioshin isn't linear with the one Vegito got.

So you agree that only SSJ3 Gogeta would beat Bootenks?

Exactly, That's why Vegito was surprised of his power. Goku figured out his Potara's Boost due to Kibitoshin but it was way higher than that. And it has nothing to do with Fusion Dance.

No I'm not agreeing look both of the Fusions were referring to different scenarios.

Goku was confident with beating Buutenks with Fusion, yet Elder Kaioshin states Buu won't wait to be crushed. And since Vegito started as a Super Saiyan, then SSJ Gogeta seems like the logical form for them to use as.


Buutenks < SSJ Gogeta

And for the case of Gohan with the Potara again.

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

Goku once again refers to Super Saiyan, so I believe that Goku was also planning to use the Super Saiyan against Buutenks as well since he thought even after Elder Kaioshin explained that the effect is greater, Goku still feels (felt) the need to go Super Saiyan.

So:

Buutenks < Base Gogeta (Gohan; Potara) = SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion)

Prove this wrong.

Goku questioned going SSJ before fusion after hearing that the Potara was superior to regular fusion, so it's far from guaranteed that Fusion dance SSJ Gokhan would be above Gotenks Buu. Goku could've also been using Super Saiyan as a collective for his higher transformations as well, given that Elder Kaioshin didn't know any details on the forms other than them being power amps, so he could've also been referring to SS2 and SS3 with that statement.

Potara > Fusion

Gogeta (Gohan; Potara) > SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion)

Goku suggested the Fusion so he would most likely use the standard form as a start off point. With the Potara, by now is aware of the fact that the effect is greater than Fusion, is still wondering if he should go Super Saiyan first to maximize the Potara's power.


Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

Now, Goku was mostly confident of a SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion) beating Buutenks, and later he suggests going SSJ to maximize the Potara, and is later told by Elder Kaioshin, that he PROBABLY won't need it, and by this time Goku saw how big the non-linear boost was. so at the least:

Base Gogeta (Gohan; Potara expected) ~ SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion [Goku's confident]) > ~ Buutenks

Elder Kai told him of the greater effect already. While it could potentially mean that, it's unlikely given other implications of Boohan > SSJ3 Gogeta. Goku's considering the greater effect when he says that.

I know. There's no implications, because even Goku himself said that a Potara with Vegeta is the only hope (at this point Gohan is gone and powered up Buu considerably). If you look at the scale I made back I still have their Base Potara Fusion equal than their SSJ Fusion Dance counterpart. That essentially makes the Potara greater.


Buuhan > Base Vegito > Base Gogeta (Gohan; Potara [Elder Kai's guess]) ~ SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion [Goku's confident]) > Buutenks > Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks

Elder Kaioshin already explained their base should be enough, after Goku suggests going SSJ first, even though he witnessed the boost Kibito Kai got.

Since Goku suggested SSJ first for the Potara, we can assume that he would go SSJ for the Fusion Dance as well, especially since we're already aware of the boost by that point.

Kibito and Kaioshin are a lot weaker than Goku and Vegeta, and Elder Kai seems to think this has something to do with how strong Vegito is.

Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3
Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.”

Kibitoshin can't believe how strong Vegito has gotten, despite the fact that he's a Potara fusion himself. Old Kai tells him off by saying it got so far because of Goku and Vegeta's power (this is before he brings up the infamous "rival's boost" as well). So Goku making an estimation based on a Potara fusion which is far, far weaker likely lead to his inaccuracy.

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Dec 26 2013, 11:30 AM

Quoting limited to 10 levels deepThere ain’t any other way to beat Majin Boo!”

Look Gogeta was a non-factor against Buuhan, so he took the option of fusing with Vegeta via Potara, since he was encouraged with the power of the Potara by Elder Kaioshin of it's effect. And I never deduced that a Gogeta could beat Buuhan anyway, I was talking about BuuTENKS.

And how could Goku know a SSJ Vegito could beat Buuhan? Just because he saw Eastern Kaioshin and Kibito fuse don't really explain much seeing the big difference in power between the two, Goku and Vegeta were equals so the power Vegito got is because of those two high power levels, even Elder Kaioshin says this after Kibito Kai is shocked that the Potara are more powerful than he thought, with Old Geezer debunking him of why it's actually those two. That shows that the boost Kibito Kaioshin isn't linear with the one Vegito got.

So you agree that only SSJ3 Gogeta would beat Bootenks?

Exactly, That's why Vegito was surprised of his power. Goku figured out his Potara's Boost due to Kibitoshin but it was way higher than that. And it has nothing to do with Fusion Dance.

No I'm not agreeing look both of the Fusions were referring to different scenarios.

Goku was confident with beating Buutenks with Fusion, yet Elder Kaioshin states Buu won't wait to be crushed. And since Vegito started as a Super Saiyan, then SSJ Gogeta seems like the logical form for them to use as.


Buutenks < SSJ Gogeta

And for the case of Gohan with the Potara again.

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

Goku once again refers to Super Saiyan, so I believe that Goku was also planning to use the Super Saiyan against Buutenks as well since he thought even after Elder Kaioshin explained that the effect is greater, Goku still feels (felt) the need to go Super Saiyan.

So:

Buutenks < Base Gogeta (Gohan; Potara) = SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion)

Prove this wrong.

Goku questioned going SSJ before fusion after hearing that the Potara was superior to regular fusion, so it's far from guaranteed that Fusion dance SSJ Gokhan would be above Gotenks Buu. Goku could've also been using Super Saiyan as a collective for his higher transformations as well, given that Elder Kaioshin didn't know any details on the forms other than them being power amps, so he could've also been referring to SS2 and SS3 with that statement.

Potara > Fusion

Gogeta (Gohan; Potara) > SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion)

Goku suggested the Fusion so he would most likely use the standard form as a start off point. With the Potara, by now is aware of the fact that the effect is greater than Fusion, is still wondering if he should go Super Saiyan first to maximize the Potara's power.


Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

Now, Goku was mostly confident of a SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion) beating Buutenks, and later he suggests going SSJ to maximize the Potara, and is later told by Elder Kaioshin, that he PROBABLY won't need it, and by this time Goku saw how big the non-linear boost was. so at the least:

Base Gogeta (Gohan; Potara expected) ~ SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion [Goku's confident]) > ~ Buutenks

Elder Kai told him of the greater effect already. While it could potentially mean that, it's unlikely given other implications of Boohan > SSJ3 Gogeta. Goku's considering the greater effect when he says that.

I know. There's no implications, because even Goku himself said that a Potara with Vegeta is the only hope (at this point Gohan is gone and powered up Buu considerably). If you look at the scale I made back I still have their Base Potara Fusion equal than their SSJ Fusion Dance counterpart. That essentially makes the Potara greater.


Buuhan > Base Vegito > Base Gogeta (Gohan; Potara [Elder Kai's guess]) ~ SSJ Gogeta (Gohan; Fusion [Goku's confident]) > Buutenks > Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks

Elder Kaioshin already explained their base should be enough, after Goku suggests going SSJ first, even though he witnessed the boost Kibito Kai got.

Since Goku suggested SSJ first for the Potara, we can assume that he would go SSJ for the Fusion Dance as well, especially since we're already aware of the boost by that point.

Kibito and Kaioshin are a lot weaker than Goku and Vegeta, and Elder Kai seems to think this has something to do with how strong Vegito is.

Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3
Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.”

Kibitoshin can't believe how strong Vegito has gotten, despite the fact that he's a Potara fusion himself. Old Kai tells him off by saying it got so far because of Goku and Vegeta's power (this is before he brings up the infamous "rival's boost" as well). So Goku making an estimation based on a Potara fusion which is far, far weaker likely lead to his inaccuracy.

That was my point earlier, Goku was planning on Potara fusing with Gohan first and now (a gauge to possibly go off) had a clue as to how it works, but since Eastern Kaioshin and Kibito power levels were too different they resulted in Kaioshin being the dominate persona. Goku still has his characteristic showing within Vegito but Vegeta was the major dominate. Besides, Goku would fuse with Gohan because those two were more closer to Buutenks power than Eastern Kaioshin and Kibito were.

About the power, Elder Kaioshin remarks that they're 2 of the 3 (Ultimate Gohan) top masters in this world and the next.

With this we can assume that if Goku was to fuse with Gohan they will likely be around the same strength.

And then he goes to mention the fact that they're rivals which made the fusion more complete.

This boost really didn't have a direct impact on Vegito's power it just something a little extra, but this is something Gogeta (Gohan; Potara) wouldn't get.

xGOKUdaSAVIORx

Dec 31 2013, 07:40 AM

Goku was pumped that a Fusion of Gohan and himself would pulverise Buutenks (we can assume he met a SSJ since the form is more basic).

Mightiest Gohan

Jan 1 2014, 08:45 PM

xGOKUdaSAVIORx

Dec 31 2013, 07:40 AM

Goku was pumped that a Fusion of Gohan and himself would pulverise Buutenks (we can assume he met a SSJ since the form is more basic).

Goku couldn't have meant SSJ against Bootenks because even Bootenks said that he could beat SSJ "Gokan" but didn't wanted to take a chance so Goku meant SSJ3.

xGOKUdaSAVIORx

Jan 4 2014, 02:27 AM

Mightiest Gohan

Jan 1 2014, 08:45 PM

xGOKUdaSAVIORx

Dec 31 2013, 07:40 AM

Goku was pumped that a Fusion of Gohan and himself would pulverise Buutenks (we can assume he met a SSJ since the form is more basic).

Goku couldn't have meant SSJ against Bootenks because even Bootenks said that he could beat SSJ "Gokan" but didn't wanted to take a chance so Goku meant SSJ3.

What you fail to realize is that Buutenks didn't know how big the boost was gonna be he assumed it was gonna be the same as the dance, the same one Goku was confident in using at first, the one Elder Kaioshin doesn't objects just says do you believe Buu is gonna wait for a possible stronger fighter to be born and end him. And even if he didn't want to risk it Gohan's power would have easily overcome Buutenks power due to Goku.

GreatRaditzMan12

Jan 4 2014, 06:19 AM

If you ask me Gokhan [ gohan and Goku fusion] should be way stronger than buuhan Let alone buutenks

EDIT: 100th post!!!