America: Hope of the "rights", not what's "right"?

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America: Hope of the "rights", not what's "right"?
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~~Tyrellius~~	Dec 22 2013, 11:11 PM Post #1
Posts: 6 Group: Suspended Member #10,613 Joined: December 22, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball Zq	Perusing the news, hearing/seeing various things going on in this country, realizing what people consider important or "hot topics", I am really confused. It seems that Americans are more worried about their rights than what's right. And those are two very different things, and a scary thought when one chosen over the other. Federal funding for Veterans retirement gets cut by 7 billion dollars, no one even comments. But Phil Robertson gives his personal opinion on a subject very dear and close to him (his right as an American, which entitles him to Freedom of Speech) and everyone loses their mind. Babies across the planet are being murdered before they are born and even nearly fully developed in abortion clinics. But say it's not the "right" thing to do and women across the globe scream out it's their "right" to murder their own children. 6 year old African American daughter blocks gunman from murdering her mother and takes 7 shots, lives, and no news room across the globe covers the story. Gay rights @6, however. Backwards? I really think so.



* Mitas	Dec 22 2013, 11:26 PM Post #2
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	My counter to this would be: if no news outlets are covering these stories then how did you hear about them?
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~~Tyrellius~~	Dec 22 2013, 11:56 PM Post #3
Posts: 6 Group: Suspended Member #10,613 Joined: December 22, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball Zq	Do you really think that big news media is the only viable source of information? If you really think that, you probably have no idea what's actually going on outside of your neighborhood.



* Mitas	Dec 23 2013, 12:01 AM Post #4
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	Tyrellius Dec 22 2013, 11:56 PM Do you really think that big news media is the only viable source of information? If you really think that, you probably have no idea what's actually going on outside of your neighborhood. I don't think that, don't put words into my mouth. You actually said "6 year old African American daughter blocks gunman from murdering her mother and takes 7 shots, lives, and no news room across the globe covers the story. Gay rights @6, however." A news outlet had to cover it for you to hear it. My point was that your topic was about how America doesn't seem to care about these stories. That's not true. There are news outlets covering these stories. You just have to look a little harder. And btw, big news media doesn't cover the news in your local area. That's small, local news outlets. Edited by Mitas, Dec 23 2013, 12:02 AM.
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+ Pelador	Dec 23 2013, 12:09 AM Post #5
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Unless it's a major story like the President is in town or someone blew up a hospital.
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Buuberries	Dec 23 2013, 03:15 AM Post #6
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	it seems that you have a pro-life view yet the whole argument for that is whether or not the foetus has the right to live vs the mother's choice. what's right isn't necessarily black and white; at least when it comes to some issues such as abortion, there isn't a universal law that dictates that a certain option is right or wrong.
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EMIYA	Dec 23 2013, 03:31 AM Post #7
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	As a note of advice, if your going make a Deep Discussion Topic, either try to remain neutral or if you want to pick side, make sure its backed up by reasonable claims without bashing the other subject. Saying "murdered babies" only comes off as incredibly biased as well as your last line where it seems you think getting news reel for a surviving child is more important than Gay Rights. In fact your entire topic is basically hypocrisy from what I can see. You act as if American's should seek out what is "right" and not what they want but clearly this is about what you want. Edited by EMIYA, Dec 23 2013, 03:32 AM.



*Copy_Ninja*	Dec 23 2013, 03:43 AM Post #8
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Yes, those stories deserve to get more coverage than they currently get to be sure. Yet, that doesn't mean any of the other stuff doesn't deserve a mention either. Yes, Phil Robertson is allowed to say what he wants. Conversely, others are allowed to call him a homophobic a***** for expressing those views due to the same freedom of speech. People are constantly mixing this argument up. No one denied his right to say it, it's the content of what he said that's being (rightly) attacked. Abortion is a messy topic, but simply saying mothers are murdering their babies as if that's the only correct view and everyone should agree with it is ridiculous. Just because you believe it's wrong doesn't make it so. Gay rights is still an issue and gay people are fighting for equality. It might not be important to you but it's important to many others and deserves attention. Instead of complaining about legitimate issues that are in the news, maybe you should have focused on the obsession with celebrity that fills newspapers and magazines and things like that.
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+ Pelador	Dec 23 2013, 03:52 AM Post #9
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Well I don't know about that. I find all the celebrity stuff really interesting and I think there's definitely a place for it. However I also agree that it shouldn't over shadow more important news. I don't think it does for the most part unless somebody really famous dies or gets arrested.
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Daemon Keido	Dec 23 2013, 04:15 AM Post #10
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	When all the news a major news group focuses on is based on what a celebrity is doing, I am annoyed. It does have a time and place: the Entertainment part of the news program. Don't have a large enough timeslot to cover everything? Create a seperate show, one focused on the entertainers of the world.
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Rockman	Dec 25 2013, 02:58 AM Post #11
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Tyrellius Dec 22 2013, 11:11 PM Backwards? I really think so. Key words. YOU really think so. But thanks for your opinion on the matter.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Dec 25 2013, 11:29 PM Post #12
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Tyrellius Dec 22 2013, 11:11 PM Federal funding for Veterans retirement gets cut by 7 billion dollars, no one even comments. But Phil Robertson gives his personal opinion on a subject very dear and close to him (his right as an American, which entitles him to Freedom of Speech) and everyone loses their mind. I strongly agree, but there's one point that you're missing entirely. I understand you've been suspended, but in case you're still reading this, you need to understand that "Freedom of Speech" is exclusive to legal prosecution, not contractual. In other words, Phil Robertson can't be arrested or prosecuted for what he says, but that doesn't mean that he can just go and talk about anything willy-nilly. This the same reason why a person in the US can't talk about any sex-based opinions in the workplace and not be punished for it if someone gets offended. If Phil Robertson agreed to not speak about those types of things while employed by A&E by signing a contract, they are legally able to do whatever they want with him if he violates that contract. This is of course limited to them terminating his employment with them. Quote: Babies across the planet are being murdered before they are born and even nearly fully developed in abortion clinics. But say it's not the "right" thing to do and women across the globe scream out it's their "right" to murder their own children. That really depends on if you actually consider a fetus as an actual person. I personally don't, because they can be frozen like a pizza and not actually die during that process. They can't develop or survive outside of a host (a woman) (up to a certain point, of course), therefore they are actually classified as more of a parasite than a person according to my understanding of biology. I'm not saying that it's right, because most of the reasons for abortion are simply dumb irresponsibility, but at least think about trying something different than simple termination. Quote: 6 year old African American daughter blocks gunman from murdering her mother and takes 7 shots, lives, and no news room across the globe covers the story. Gay rights @6, however. Not the point. There's only so much you can talk about with a little girl nearly dying over saving her mother, while Gay Rights is far more complex morally and politically than that because it effects a large percentage of people. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Dec 25 2013, 11:31 PM.
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