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| + Pyrus | Dec 22 2013, 10:39 PM Post #1 |
 
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A concept I've seen mostly on Kanzenshuu is "personal canon" where, if I recall, you basically decide which elements of the franchise (anime, manga, movies, guidebooks, etc.) you take a "canon." I believe it stems from the idea that since Toriyama has never personally spoken of the word "canon," everything's fair game. I witnessed it once on Pojo from a guy who considered the anime canon, citing the dictionary's definition here:
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| ObsessiveFanBoy | Dec 22 2013, 10:44 PM Post #2 |
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Oh I know what "personal canon" Pure Boo supporters are going to accept as canon. Personally I don't accept anything as "personal canon" that is not in the manga. Other wise I feel it would make me "bias" when it comes to debates because then I'd be literally picking and choosing which statements I want to listen to. |
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| + Pyrus | Dec 22 2013, 10:47 PM Post #3 |
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I was also wondering, with this concept, could I merely say I accept only the anime filler and nothing else? Would that not be valid with this theory's principle? |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Dec 22 2013, 11:00 PM Post #4 |
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I accept everything as canon with a multiverse. Not everything fits together so putting things in their proper universes makes everything fit. There's not much point in disregarding something when it's never been officially declared "non canon".
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| lunar2 | Dec 22 2013, 11:01 PM Post #5 |
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with a series as vague as db, yes, there can be various opinions on what exactly is canon. obviously the strictest definition would be that only the manga is canon, and the loosest would be that all official material, including games and movies, are canon. each definition runs into problems, with looser definitions tending to have more contradictions and stricter definitions tending to have less information. |
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list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god | |
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| petewentz | Dec 22 2013, 11:01 PM Post #6 |
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What Yuki said is spot on. It allows people too much flexibility in their interpretation of the series as a whole. In order to come to any sort of objective conclusion you've got to set up a standard of evidence that is universal. Using the source material allows you to do this as it lays down a firm groundwork for our conclusions. By allowing other sources of material to be entered into the conversation, such as "personal canon" you are thereby making subjective conclusions because what YOU pick as a statement to back up your argument(from your personal canon) may not be something that someone else will find valid to use as THEIR personal canon. Using just the source material means any argument and conclusion has to be solely based on the same evidence that EVERYONE else is using. |
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| Mihawk | Dec 22 2013, 11:03 PM Post #7 |
 
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It's an appeal to "subjectivity". For example, "Evolution is false. In my personal world, evolution has no evidence and doesn't exist." In the scenario that he grew up in a 3rd world country and he has never seen any evidence and has no reason to believe it happened, he has a point. From his personal viewpoint of the world evolution doesn't exist. From a scientific viewpoint, where science tries its best to be objective but can never be truly be 100% objective, he's wrong. In the same scenario we try to approach canon from the most objective viewpoint possible - if some people want to delude themselves into believing that the anime is canon and then hide behind the veil of "subjectivity" then so be it. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Dec 22 2013, 11:04 PM Post #8 |
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The way I see it there has to be some rules to abide by when using that definition of canon. You can't say, "I accept the anime as canon, but I don't accept the filler I don't like". You can't do that, it's all or nothing. |
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| * Mitas | Dec 22 2013, 11:04 PM Post #9 |
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I think it's a grey area. I think the fact that Akira Toriyama hasn't explicitly said what is canon and what isn't does allow for some personal interpretation. It's very different than Star Wars for example, where George Lucas has (or used to, not sure how involved he is any more) a major say in what's official canon in terms of the books and games etc. Personally, I believe that the Manga should be the basis of all canon. Anime can be canon, unless it contradicts something in the manga, and then it's non-canon. Edited by Mitas, Dec 22 2013, 11:05 PM.
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| petewentz | Dec 22 2013, 11:10 PM Post #10 |
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It's just like I said earlier, using just the source material(i'll even avoid the word canon) allows us an objective framework to compare all arguments as everyone has to use the same evidence, not varying degrees of evidence. |
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| lazerbem | Dec 22 2013, 11:15 PM Post #11 |
 
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Wasn't this what got Prince banned? Anyway, I really hate personal canon, bad experiences with Brolytards have made irritated me. "Hurr durr, Broly is equal to SSJ Gogeta, Broly can go SSJ3, the game say so" 
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| SSJ | Dec 22 2013, 11:34 PM Post #12 |
 
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Generally I only consider the manga canon. However, I am still able to accept things from other sources, if they do not contradict the manga. I am willing to listen to sources in this order: Manga > Daizenshuu > Jap Anime > BoG > Eng Dub Anime > Movies Movies are at the bottom, only when people try to connect them to he manga. In my opinion, the manga can be compared to a movie, but a movie cannot be compared to the manga if you know what I mean. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 22 2013, 11:41 PM Post #13 |
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Does the author really have to say the word "canon"? He outright stated that GT is a side story and said that all the new movies made after the series ended happened in the official storyline. That right there I'm pretty sure is hinting at what is canon and not canon. Sometimes I like to think there is two canons: anime canon and manga canon so everyone is happy lol
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| + Pyrus | Dec 22 2013, 11:51 PM Post #14 |
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I was about to bring this up. Toriyama does seem to have some idea of what actually "happened," since he considers GT a "side story" from his original work, and he acknowledges Battle of Gods as a continuation of his work, whereas nothing else has that distinction. There's also another definition of canon.
That would basically disqualify the anime, movies (excluding BoG), games, and likely the guidebooks. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/canon |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Dec 23 2013, 12:02 AM Post #15 |
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solid foundation,mmmmm maybe..... my form of canon is in compliance with most other people but hey if u wanna say filler and movies are canon be my guest (BOG i consider canon) |
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