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Piccolo (arrival on namek) vs Nail; Piccolo after King Kais planet without Nail
Topic Started: Dec 22 2013, 09:44 PM (2,525 Views)
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Dec 23 2013, 08:09 PM
Piccolo should probably be around Gohan @ First Form Freeza. He got on Namek, sensed FP Freeza, and wanted to rush in there and help immediately. I think he would slaughter Nail.
Piccolo never said he wanted to rush in and fight Freeza after he got to Namek. He only said it while on King Kai's planet and basically pisses his pants when he senses First Form Freeza power up

Chapter: 294 (DBZ 100), P14.1
Context: as Freeza powers up
Piccolo: “That large ki has become even more absurdly large! Is this ‘Freeza’ finally starting to move?!”
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Dec 24 2013, 02:17 AM
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Dec 23 2013, 08:09 PM
Piccolo should probably be around Gohan @ First Form Freeza. He got on Namek, sensed FP Freeza, and wanted to rush in there and help immediately. I think he would slaughter Nail.
Piccolo never said he wanted to rush in and fight Freeza after he got to Namek. He only said it while on King Kai's planet and basically pisses his pants when he senses First Form Freeza power up

Chapter: 294 (DBZ 100), P14.1
Context: as Freeza powers up
Piccolo: “That large ki has become even more absurdly large! Is this ‘Freeza’ finally starting to move?!”
No he never states it, but it was his intention to go to the battlefield.
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Instead of getting wished back and deciding to smoke dope with Nail's dead body, right?
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Dec 24 2013, 06:58 AM
Instead of getting wished back and deciding to smoke dope with Nail's dead body, right?
LOL. But no. Piccolo wanted to help Gohan out, no matter what the odds were. Even after sensing Freeza, he wanted to decline Nail's offer to fuse. After sensing Vegeta, Gohan, and Krillin, he must have thought he was still strong enough on his own to help them.
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Dec 24 2013, 07:01 AM
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Dec 24 2013, 06:58 AM
Instead of getting wished back and deciding to smoke dope with Nail's dead body, right?
LOL. But no. Piccolo wanted to help Gohan out, no matter what the odds were. Even after sensing Freeza, he wanted to decline Nail's offer to fuse. After sensing Vegeta, Gohan, and Krillin, he must have thought he was still strong enough on his own to help them.
I don't remember Piccolo wanting to decline the offer Nail gave him. Just questioning it while talking to Nail.

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P1.4, P2.1-5, P3.1
Nail: “I-I’m astonished…I don’t know what kind of training you’ve done, but you’ve acquired unbelievable power…Still, it’s unfortunate…If you had only returned to the original, single Namekian you were, you might have been able to defeat even Freeza…”
Piccolo: “Are you saying that if I merged with God once again, my power would even surpass Freeza!?”
Nail: “Th-that’s right…I was overwhelmingly defeated by Freeza, but I should have a good comprehension of his abilities…[ ] So merge with me…! I’m also the only fighting-type Namekian on this planet…[ ] That’s right…Your power will become many times greater…”
Piccolo: “…You’re not lying, are you?”
Nail: “If you think so, you can just go get killed by Freeza…”

Piccolo's thoughts kinda seem like "Is this random dying dude gonna f*** me over?"
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It's ludicrous to me to have Nail's fusion with Piccolo bigger than Kami and Piccolo's fusion. I have Piccolo/Kami fusion at between 2x and 2.5x while Nail's sync probably was at 1.8x, somewhere there. Given that Piccolo probably was at a 1,500,000 peak, so I'll have him around 800,000 Pre-Fusion. This might sound way too much, but that's the way I flow for now.
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Then why he was scared s***less by First Form Frieza why he in your opinion is much stronger than that? Besides Nail immediately stated that Frieza (supressed)>Piccolo.
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Dec 24 2013, 09:20 AM
It's ludicrous to me to have Nail's fusion with Piccolo bigger than Kami and Piccolo's fusion. I have Piccolo/Kami fusion at between 2x and 2.5x while Nail's sync probably was at 1.8x, somewhere there. Given that Piccolo probably was at a 1,500,000 peak, so I'll have him around 800,000 Pre-Fusion. This might sound way too much, but that's the way I flow for now.
nail stated that piccolo would become many times stronger when they fused.
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Dec 24 2013, 09:20 AM
It's ludicrous to me to have Nail's fusion with Piccolo bigger than Kami and Piccolo's fusion. I have Piccolo/Kami fusion at between 2x and 2.5x while Nail's sync probably was at 1.8x, somewhere there. Given that Piccolo probably was at a 1,500,000 peak, so I'll have him around 800,000 Pre-Fusion. This might sound way too much, but that's the way I flow for now.
To be fair, Kami was an ant to Piccolo when they fused. When Nail said Piccolo-Kami would get a huge power up, Piccolo was a hell of a lot weaker. So the fusion would have been more effective in the Namek Arc.
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Dec 24 2013, 04:50 PM
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Dec 24 2013, 09:20 AM
It's ludicrous to me to have Nail's fusion with Piccolo bigger than Kami and Piccolo's fusion. I have Piccolo/Kami fusion at between 2x and 2.5x while Nail's sync probably was at 1.8x, somewhere there. Given that Piccolo probably was at a 1,500,000 peak, so I'll have him around 800,000 Pre-Fusion. This might sound way too much, but that's the way I flow for now.
To be fair, Kami was an ant to Piccolo when they fused. When Nail said Piccolo-Kami would get a huge power up, Piccolo was a hell of a lot weaker. So the fusion would have been more effective in the Namek Arc.
Nail made it sound like he was 'the second best thing'.
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at the time, he may have been. but later, piccolo is so much more powerful, and already fused once, so kami couldn't add as much to the total.
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If Piccolo was weaker than Nail then I reckon his power would be very believable IMO. I reckon Piccolo was much stronger than Nail to warrant such a response.
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Why it should be? Seriously, besides Nail any other namekians are at the level of about 3000. He is 14x times stronger than his brothers. Then he meet Piccolo, who at the Saiyan arc was already stronger than average namekian. Then he powered up on Kaio planet because of gravity training. Seriously, any power level higher than let's say 10 000 - 15 000 should catch his attention. The only thing that we know for sure is the fact that Piccolo (post Kaio)> Vegeta (Saiyan arc) cause he was eager to fight with enemies, stronger than Saiyan Prince. The rest? We don't have any information and you can put Piccolo anywhere between 18 000 to let's say 400 000 and your statement still can be true.
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Piccolo wasn't scared though, he was noticing the huge power level, which should be an indicator that he might not be quite on that level. Although, I don't think he's far off.
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Dec 25 2013, 09:10 AM
Piccolo wasn't scared though, he was noticing the huge power level, which should be an indicator that he might not be quite on that level. Although, I don't think he's far off.
Piccolo was scared. Did you see his face? The way he spoke?
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