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| Zenet | Dec 23 2013, 11:07 PM Post #31 |
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The last quote is true and that's how most people and The U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics sees it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States which is why not many women as classified as rapist even if she forces it on men. I never said a women can't force sex upon a man. When that part is obvious.
Show me a quote were I said this is not possible. Edited by Zenet, Dec 23 2013, 11:16 PM.
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| * Mitas | Dec 23 2013, 11:18 PM Post #32 |
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The exact definition of rape is "the crime of forcing a person into sexual intercourse without their consent". Penetration has nothing to do with it. The only reason penetration is seen by some as what rape is is because as a general rule men are the ones committing the rape. But our argument is that this is not always the case. You said yourself that a woman can commit sexual assault of a male. That is rape by it's very definition. It's people like you that keep alive the falsehood that only men can rape. It's this attitude that stops many men from coming forward when they are raped by women. It's arguably worse for a man to be raped by a woman because he gets no sympathy from the general public. Women can rape men. I don't know how many times I have to say that for it to get through to you. Women. Can. Rape. Men. Edited by Mitas, Dec 23 2013, 11:19 PM.
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| Zenet | Dec 23 2013, 11:27 PM Post #33 |
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Well first all its not that men don't want to come out its simply because most men don't care if a women forces sex on them. Women see being raped much worse.
Edited by Zenet, Dec 23 2013, 11:28 PM.
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| Buuberries | Dec 23 2013, 11:34 PM Post #34 |
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dunno about anyone else but the intercourse part makes it about penetration to me, lol. hence there's intercourse and outercourse |
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| * Mitas | Dec 23 2013, 11:42 PM Post #35 |
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This is the voice of someone who is too inexperienced to debate this with. Of course men can care if sex is forced upon them. What if it's a young boy having sex forced upon him by a female member of his family? What if someone you don't find attractive or like drugs you and has brutal sex with you? What if a woman verbally assaults you whilst forcing you into sex? What you said is the view of someone who hasn't had enough experience to know about these things. It's clear that you are thinking as someone who has either had sex a minimal amount of times, or not at all, and think "how can someone not want to have sex? I'd love for someone to have sex with me." And that's why I'm checking out of this debate now. |
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| + Pelador | Dec 24 2013, 12:06 AM Post #36 |
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Alright Mega Sage, I'll get a bunch of women to beat you up, hold you down, pull your pants down and stick things inside you and then we'll see how much "men don't care". |
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| Zenet | Dec 24 2013, 12:09 AM Post #37 |
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Your changing the definition you are bringing in incest, drugs, verbal abuse, assault and young boys. Maybe if you haven't noticed but males in puberty seek women not young boys which is a different situation. You need an erection to have sex so the guy who is getting raped has will in his part unless if the a man is totally drugged . And I had plenty of sex since you keep bringing it up. |
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Dec 24 2013, 12:29 AM Post #38 |
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Okay guys, we need to cool it. |
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| Buuberries | Dec 24 2013, 12:41 AM Post #39 |
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luv u all but it's unfair saying stuff to zenet about how he cant debate when you're attacking him rather than his arguments |
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| * Mitas | Dec 24 2013, 12:42 AM Post #40 |
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Of course, I'm sure you've had plenty. What does pubescent males seeking women have to do with anything? And for your information, not all pubescent males seek women. Ever heard of homosexuality? And your ignorance knows no bounds. I'm bringing in assault, incest, drugs and abuse because rape can be an action included in all of these things. Do you have sex every time you have an erection? No you don't. Sometimes it happens when you're not aroused. Even if a man does not want an erection, a woman can force the erection by stimulating it. Fear does not stop you from having an erection, the body will react to stimulation. I should know better by now, but I'm always amazed at the level of ignorance and idiocy that some people are capable of. Edit: Here's where you said it: " because most men don't care if a women forces sex on them." And buuberries, I am debating his arguments. I have done so in every post. Edited by Mitas, Dec 24 2013, 12:45 AM.
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| Zenet | Dec 24 2013, 01:02 AM Post #41 |
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You sure do sprout the word ignorance allot without even using it properly. Don't you think am not aware that incest,drugs can be used in rape. And why are you bringing up homosexuality? I don't have a clue your probably just having a random rant. I only have sex with an erection because it's only going to be enjoyable with an erection, The only way to have an erection is if your aroused subconsciously. Even if your turned on a little. You wouldn't get an erection sleeping with a dog would you I guess not. |
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| EMIYA | Dec 24 2013, 01:04 AM Post #42 |
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This is so off of my original question. But while we're on the subject, saying women can't rape men, or that women can't rape is wrong. It is true that the mass majority of rapes that occur are from men against women, but to say women can't rape is frankly, foolish. http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/09/living/chris-brown-female-on-male-rape/ (here's a CNN article about a young man that was raped by a woman without his consent) Here's another article from Columbia Health. http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/male-rape-possible http://www.iup.edu/page.aspx?id=44097 (I point to No. 7 and No. 8 here) Do note tell me women can't rape. Do not tell me women cannot act out sexual deviancy upon others. That is ignorance to the highest regard. |
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Dec 24 2013, 01:10 AM Post #43 |
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I honestly think it's not as terrible as murder but definitely a notch below it. Doing so to a kid or even younger is comparable to murder if you personally ask me but that may not be the case with everyone else. When you murder someone they are gone for good. Families will never be able to see that person again. Families with have to struggle and move on without that person in their life. With rape, I feel it's something terrible that can be recovered over time if that person is mentally capable of doing so. It's not easy, I understand that, but it can be done unlike murder which cannot be undone once it has happened. Now, rape can range from anything as forcing a kiss to forcing penetration and everything else with that because of the receiving female or male strictly saying no that's not what she/he wants. A male can be raped. Going in to the whole sub discussions of them having to be drugged, dragged, young etc really doesn't matter with the general idea. Males can be raped, it just doesn't happen just as much as female cases... Just like hip hop artist and county singers with drug troubles. Even though we hear about the former having more trouble with drugs than we do the latter, you can still very well hear about a country singer getting in trouble for the same thing even though it's not your everyday Channel 5, TMZ, CMT, or whatever. |
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| EMIYA | Dec 24 2013, 01:19 AM Post #44 |
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To keep in touch with my original subject, as a question let me ask this. How many characters (fictional or otherwise) can you think of who have committed a rape and was still liked or popular afterwards and compare that to a character (fictional or otherwise) who has murdered, and remained popular or liked afterwards and also, are treated (if fictional) as people who are supposed to be liked or a at least forgiven for their action and shown sympathy. Not that I know every character in fiction, but I can only think of one character who has raped and yet still been given sympathy and popularity and that was Griffith/Femto from Berserk and mind you, Griffith was already going through character development and the entire thing there with him was seen as a huge blow to mind and heart and this mad attempt to regain that which he had loss by terrible means. How many rapists have actually been given that sort of sympathy whether in fiction or outside of it? I myself can find as I said very little, however I can look at many fictional characters who have murdered without rhyme or reason and yet are still treated as sympathetic or at least given likable traits. You'll get that serial killer who we find out was abused as a child. But that appears so rare for saying, a rapist who was abused as a child. Yet as you all can pretty much agree, rape as horrible as it is, is nowhere near as bad as murder, torture and what not and yet it's those kind of things we can give sympathy towards. |
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| + Pelador | Dec 24 2013, 01:27 AM Post #45 |
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I disagree. I think the fact that many people who go through it often wish they were dead says a lot about how terrible it must be. A lot of the physical pain felt during the violation is often still felt years afterwards despite all physical wounds having healed. It's something that I don't believe anybody truly recovers from. So I think that completely breaking somebody's mind and ruining their life though such intrusions is worse than being a murderer. You're condemning them to a life of suffering.
Edited by Pelador, Dec 24 2013, 01:28 AM.
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