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| EMIYA | Dec 22 2013, 06:21 AM Post #1 |
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Why is "rape" considered such a heinous crime in comparison to other especially in the context of how many people feel about it? While we can agree (I'd hope) that rape is a heinous crime, it seems to come across as something so bad that compared to it, things like genocide, torture, mass murder and the Holocaust come out as almost misdemeanors. While I have my own clues and thoughts about such a thing, what do you all think? Why do you think the actions of rape, whether on adults, children, or anything collects not only the understandable vibe of hatred that we expect, but potentially even greater. We see it not only in real life but in fiction as well. We can have a villain who will kill thousands of people but still be liked in some way. However the moment a villain commits a rape, they are automatically donned as not only the most despicable beings ever, but also unable to have any amount of forgiveness or excuses for their actions thereabout. It is treated as practically the ultimate evil despite the fact that while definitely cruel and terrible, is not nearly as bad as other crimes. So I again ask, why do you feel this is so? Does it come from something historical? A moral aspect of humanity? Sociological? Psychological? Is it the fear we have such an important part of ourselves, our sexual freedom and biology that makes it come off as more heinous to us despite the fact that the crime itself is by definition less than other serious crimes? What are your thoughts? |
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Dec 22 2013, 06:30 AM Post #2 |
 
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It could be that while in the cases of Mass Murder or just murder regularly, the victim can't really feel and relive the horror that was commited on them (Although in the case of genocide or Holocaust a person probably could, just not in the case of someone who was directly affected). unlike Rape, where the person has to relive the experience over and over again. It's sort of like torture and insult to injury that the victim has to take after the crime is already committed. Just my thoughts however. So we sort of accumulate all these things in our mind at once and automatically assume since the victim can't really relive and have to go through mental torture as in murder, it's not as bad as rape, where the affects of the crime can last a lifetime. Although I can't speak for genocide and the holocaust, since they too can go through mental torture from the events. |
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^^^ What he said. Also, rape causes severe psychological trauma. It's symbolic of one's innocence being taken away. You can't get that innocence or freedom back once it's gone. It can be painful and embarrassing for the victim, and that trauma oftentimes lasts a lifetime. Rape crosses every threshold that humans hold dear and personal. Just my quick opinion. |
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| + Pyrus | Dec 22 2013, 07:09 AM Post #4 |
 
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Combo breaker. I don't really think rape is all it's cracked up to be. It's far less worse than murder or something alike. I'd be more upset about totaling my car than rape. I think society has blown it far out of proportion. It's not good, but worse can be done. Yup, he said it. He isn't someone who thinks rape is the worst thing ever. Ruh oh. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Dec 22 2013, 07:50 AM Post #5 |
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Back in the day, rape was actually considered the recipient's fault (and most of the time, it was women), and was considered unacceptable for allowing themselves to get raped. For example, the story of Medusa was that she was originally Athena's most beautiful and devoted worshiper, and was pure, but loved by many men for her beauty. One day, she got raped by Posiden in Athena's Temple. Being that Posiden was a God, and this behavior was expected of him, Medusa was the one who got punished by Athena and turned into a hideous Gorgon who could not look at people directly. She was then banished to a remote island in the ocean. So, I don't think that rape got it's morally negative mentality from a theological stand-point. It could come from it being engrained in business ventures of biblical times. Men in Biblical times ran their families as businesses, and everything that was associated with them was used for business purposes. Daughters were used as bartering chips to gain business connections with other families by giving their daughters away for marriage in exchange for goods. However, a non-virgin daughter in those times was valued on the same level that a Steer would've been. If she's not pure, than she's worth next to nothing from a business stand-point. Just as a Steer is unable to produce offspring, therefore the steer is worthless. However, over the years as the mentality of what it meant to be a family changed, so did the actual mentality of rape. Since women now have rights, and are not thought of simply as property, the natural evolution of these morals of course comes from that it's cruel to hurt people for your pleasure. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Dec 22 2013, 07:52 AM.
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| + Ginyu | Dec 22 2013, 05:14 PM Post #6 |
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Rape is still considered the recipient's fault among strict religious people, their reasons obviously being absurd. As to why rape is considered a more heinous crime than for example murder, I am not entirely sure, but I think it's because rape can cause a lot more damage in a lot of cases. With murder you are ending a person's life, but after that, let's be honest, the murdered person doesn't feel any pain. Rape however can traumatize people for the rest of their lives. I think that's why it is as it is, it's still a little odd I will admit that. I don't know why you included genocide in that list though. I don't think anyone has ever called a rapist a better person than Hitler 
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| + Steve | Dec 22 2013, 05:30 PM Post #7 |
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I feel the same basically. Firstly anyone that rapes kids should be shot, now that is terrible. But I don't see why it's viewed as more awful than murder or torture. Murder is ending a persons life for selfish reasons, a life that should have been enjoyed. I'm not saying that women should get taught "You will be raped at some point" in school but I think society needs to baby women a lot less for rape to be so horrific an act, the double standards with sexism do not help. Women on TV can grab a guys a*** or his crotch and that's fine, hilarious even and it's fine for them to make sexist jokes. But if a man does it then he's a sexist pig and god help him if he makes a sexist joke, he may as well shoot himself there and then. Women can take just as much punishment as men and that needs to be realized all round. they may generally be smaller and physically weaker but that is it. That's the only difference and not even always so women shouldn't be treated like these delicate flowers that will smash at the slightest thing, it just leaves them all not at all mentally prepared which is why it's so devastating when rape happens. Here in Scotland you still get trauma from it but a lot less, most women I know have been raped and their attitude on the matter is mostly "Oh well, it's in the past" a lot hate whoever done it but a lot even have a relationship with the man. It will probably always bother a woman on some level but it doesn't have to be life ruining, it's how you think about it that matters. Women here are not at all treated like they're delicate and weak they'll just as easily drink you under the table or give you a right hook as any man would. I believe it is that attitude that stops it being so horrible for the victim. Just to clarify rape is still a bad thing and is very deserving of punishment in my opinion, it's just not as bad as people make it out to be, it's not a minor crime but it's not the worst crime ever. |
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| Buuberries | Dec 22 2013, 05:52 PM Post #8 |
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too many unexplained assertions "despite the fact that the crime itself is by definition less than other serious crimes?" how is it "by definition" a less serious crime? "Here in Scotland you still get trauma from it but a lot less, most women I know have been raped and their attitude on the matter is mostly "Oh well, it's in the past" a lot hate whoever done it but a lot even have a relationship with the man." how many women do you know, exactly? every woman in scotland? would how they react to it be applicable to every other woman on the planet, and even men since men get raped? how do you know those arent just defence mechanisms? sounds like suppression or even disassociation to me. |
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| Zenet | Dec 22 2013, 06:13 PM Post #9 |
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For a man to grope a woman is a qualitatively different experience because men are in a position to force themselves upon women in a way that women simply can't. There is no such thing as a female raping a male. |
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| EMIYA | Dec 22 2013, 09:07 PM Post #10 |
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Female raping males is actually quite possible and has had happened. it's just that male-to-female rape is far more common. I'll use an example. A young man is constantly being stalked by a young woman despite multiple attempts to get her out of his life. At one point she slips something into his drink and knocks him out, carries him over to her house where he is violated. The emotional pain of being raped and how it will effect him and his family causes him great anguish in the long run. You can't say women can't or don't rape men, that's completely false. |
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| + Pelador | Dec 22 2013, 09:11 PM Post #11 |
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My brother's friend is a policeman and my sister in law's uncle is a magistrate. Believe me when I tell you that women do rape men. Sometimes violently. |
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| * Mitas | Dec 22 2013, 09:45 PM Post #12 |
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It's completely ignorant to think that men can't get raped. Every man knows that you have limited control over your erection. So a man could not be complicit to a sexual advance by a stronger woman and yet still have an erection. Also, it doesn't have to be violent. They could feel mentally forced into it. As for the topic at hand, I haven't had the same experience with rape being treated as a much more heinous crime than murder. I personally view them on the same level, depending on the circumstances (rape of children is worse than almost any crime in my opinion). But, at a guess I would say that people who do view rape as worse than murder do so because like others have said here: murder is often over in minutes, if not seconds. Rape is a double-whammy of the actual event and then a lifetime of reliving the events, sometimes screwing you up to the point of not being able to live a normal life again. And saying that you view a car being totalled as worse than rape makes you a f***ing moron. If you want to say something just so you can shock people then fine, but please know that you're an idiot for doing so. Edited by Mitas, Dec 22 2013, 09:47 PM.
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| Zenet | Dec 22 2013, 10:43 PM Post #13 |
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I don't know the the sexual act of a male is more dominating than the women's role which is what I meant as a male being raped can't be the same experience as a women being raped. Which is why men being raped is not considered that much of a big deal compared to women.
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| + Pelador | Dec 22 2013, 10:56 PM Post #14 |
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Again that's complete bulls*** and I think you should stop posting here since you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Go get a clue and then maybe come back when you've learned some facts. |
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| * Mitas | Dec 22 2013, 10:58 PM Post #15 |
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How exactly is the male the more dominating force? Because that's how it looks on TV? Women can play just as much a part in the 'dominating' role of intercourse as men. |
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