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Vegeta = 250k on Namek
Topic Started: Dec 18 2013, 09:12 PM (2,218 Views)
DEY DID DIS 2 ME Dec 19 2013, 05:19 AM Post #16
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Dec 19 2013, 04:29 AM
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Dec 19 2013, 03:53 AM
I have Vegeta at 250 K for the Jeice battle and then 505K against Frieza. Vegeta to me was exhausted so his nap doubled his power.
he couldn't have been exhausted. he'd just had a sensu bean. he was at full energy for that fight.
Why did he take a nap?
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+ miguelnuva Dec 19 2013, 12:11 PM Post #17
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I have Vegeta at 250 K for the Jeice battle and then 505K against Frieza. Vegeta to me was exhausted so his nap doubled his power.
he couldn't have been exhausted. he'd just had a sensu bean. he was at full energy for that fight.
He was exhausted mentally do tot lack of sleep and possibly physical in some way as well despite the sensu bean.
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Gracek90 Dec 19 2013, 01:20 PM Post #18
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Vegeta could not be 250k during his fight with Jhesse. All we know is the fact that right after senzu bean Vegeta was stronger than Jhesse (but not by huge amount) and weaker than Ginyu (judging by Goku statement). His power was still raising but not by huge amount up untill the nap. Now the last question. Is it possible that Vegie was 250k during his struggle with Frieza? Well it is. He lost in his short struggle with Frieza (as seen by the expression on both Vegeta and Frieza face) and seriously he counted more on the help of Gohan and Kuririn than his own strenght.
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SSJ Dec 19 2013, 03:26 PM Post #19
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Dec 19 2013, 01:20 PM
Vegeta could not be 250k during his fight with Jhesse. All we know is the fact that right after senzu bean Vegeta was stronger than Jhesse (but not by huge amount) and weaker than Ginyu (judging by Goku statement). His power was still raising but not by huge amount up untill the nap. Now the last question. Is it possible that Vegie was 250k during his struggle with Frieza? Well it is. He lost in his short struggle with Frieza (as seen by the expression on both Vegeta and Frieza face) and seriously he counted more on the help of Gohan and Kuririn than his own strenght.
That's not true. Vegeta could have easily been suppressed against Jeice which would explain the scouter situation. Up until Jeice checked his scouter, Vegeta would have been weaker than Ginyu, sure. However, he then decides to end his suppression when he tells Jeice to look at his scouter. It's very likely that he was just toying with Jeice for awhile there.

Chapter: 283 (DBZ 89), P12.1-2
Goku: “Vegeta, you defeat the other guy [Jheese]. You made a full recovery after almost dying, so your power should have greatly increased. He’s no longer an opponent you can’t beat…”
Vegeta: “Chih…So you knew, huh?”

This line definitely supports that Vegeta was hiding his power. Goku and Vegeta were able to sense each other's hidden power levels because they were more adept at sensing. That would explain why Vegeta could sense Goku when he was fighting the Force, and nobody else could. Same goes here, Goku sensed Vegeta, and the scouters could not. So Vegeta could have easily just stopped suppressing his power when he told Jeice to look at his scouter.
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Alex D. Boss Dec 19 2013, 05:26 PM Post #20
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 If Vegeta was 250K against Jeice from the start , he should one-shot him at his first blow.
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SSJ Dec 19 2013, 05:32 PM Post #21
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Dec 19 2013, 05:26 PM
If Vegeta was 250K against Jeice from the start , he should one-shot him at his first blow.
Alex what have you usually considered Vegeta to be at the beginning of the fight?

I'm starting to think that he was around 70 000.
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lazerbem Dec 19 2013, 05:41 PM Post #22
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 At the beginning of the Jeice vs Vegeta fight, I have Vegeta at 55,000. Vegeta was still getting hit a bit and Jeice's punch sent him back a meter and busted his lip. Honestly, I could have Vegeta be lower but I think 55,000 is fine
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SSJ Dec 19 2013, 05:48 PM Post #23
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Dec 19 2013, 05:41 PM
At the beginning of the Jeice vs Vegeta fight, I have Vegeta at 55,000. Vegeta was still getting hit a bit and Jeice's punch sent him back a meter and busted his lip. Honestly, I could have Vegeta be lower but I think 55,000 is fine
Vegeta being pushed back shouldn't be that large of an indicator. FP Perfect Cell did the same to SSJ 2 Gohan, and we know what happened there, lol.
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Alex D. Boss Dec 19 2013, 05:59 PM Post #24
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Dec 19 2013, 05:32 PM
Alex KloonBoss
Dec 19 2013, 05:26 PM
If Vegeta was 250K against Jeice from the start , he should one-shot him at his first blow.
Alex what have you usually considered Vegeta to be at the beginning of the fight?

I'm starting to think that he was around 70 000.

So Vegeta thinks Goku is a god compared to him who's 90,000 , but he is able to see Goku's moves. Between 55K-70K I think.
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SSJ Dec 19 2013, 06:01 PM Post #25
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Not only this, but there is no reason to believe that supressed Goku was at exactly 60 000 in power level. This was never confirmed by scouters, because they could never pick up Goku. All we have to go off of is Ginyu’s estimation, which could have easily been false. He was saying that for the feat of beating Recoome, Jeice and Burter, you would probably need to be around 60 000 in power level. So is Goku 60 000? I don’t think so. Why you may ask? Because it took so little time for him to reach his maximum Base power of 90 000. Goku began to power up, and he was almost immediately maxed out, and ready to use Kaioken. So when people say that Vegeta at Jeice would be under 60 000 in power level, I think that is false. Goku could have easily been at 75 000 based on his spar with Ginyu, so it is no stretch to say that Vegeta was near that range against Jeice.

So logically, Vegeta could have been powering up during the fight as the quote supports. Vegeta also says that he is near to becoming a Super Saiyan, which he already thought Goku was. This Goku as I said was probably around 70 000, but Vegeta knew Goku was toying with the Ginyus I really doubt that he expected his suppressed power to be his maximum. On earth, Goku fought the saiyans suppressed at first, and then powered up. It is logical to think that he would do the same on Namek, especially if he didn’t need his full power. So Vegeta in the beginning stages with Jeice was probably at least close to this suppressed Goku.


This is my opinion on it now. I don't think suppressed Goku that Vegeta was marveling over was really 60k.
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lazerbem Dec 19 2013, 07:31 PM Post #26
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At the beginning of the Jeice vs Vegeta fight, I have Vegeta at 55,000. Vegeta was still getting hit a bit and Jeice's punch sent him back a meter and busted his lip. Honestly, I could have Vegeta be lower but I think 55,000 is fine
Vegeta being pushed back shouldn't be that large of an indicator. FP Perfect Cell did the same to SSJ 2 Gohan, and we know what happened there, lol.
Gohan's lip was not busted and he was basically letting Cell hit him, Vegeta just got out-right hit by Jeice.
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Gracek90 Dec 19 2013, 09:32 PM Post #27
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I am gonna agree with Iazerbem here. While it is true that Vegeta was stronger than Jhesse it was not by a huge amount (at least not at the very begining of the fight). Actually it was more even than Vegeta vs Zarbon (second round). Yep, Jhesse was constantly pushed back but he was also able to land a few hits on Vegeta. On the other hand, Goku was a God compared to Jhesse and Butta. According to Ginyu statment you need only about 60 000 to make Ginyu Force look like a fools. As I mentioned before, there is only one thing which we know for sure. We know that Ginyu>Goku>Vegeta (post senzu)>Jhesse. The problem is, the gap between red guy and saiyan prince. I personally think that I power level higher than 50 000 is enough to make him able to defat Jhesse easily. Obviously during the fight, the power level of Vegeta was steadily rising up untill the point when he was able to one shoot last member of Ginyu Force (besides capitan).
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Alex D. Boss Dec 20 2013, 05:17 PM Post #28
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Dec 19 2013, 05:41 PM
At the beginning of the Jeice vs Vegeta fight, I have Vegeta at 55,000. Vegeta was still getting hit a bit and Jeice's punch sent him back a meter and busted his lip. Honestly, I could have Vegeta be lower but I think 55,000 is fine
Vegeta being pushed back shouldn't be that large of an indicator. FP Perfect Cell did the same to SSJ 2 Gohan, and we know what happened there, lol.
Gohan's lip was not busted and he was basically letting Cell hit him, Vegeta just got out-right hit by Jeice.

Perhaps Vegeta did the same thing as Gohan did.
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lazerbem Dec 20 2013, 05:48 PM Post #29
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Dec 19 2013, 05:48 PM
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Dec 19 2013, 05:41 PM
At the beginning of the Jeice vs Vegeta fight, I have Vegeta at 55,000. Vegeta was still getting hit a bit and Jeice's punch sent him back a meter and busted his lip. Honestly, I could have Vegeta be lower but I think 55,000 is fine
Vegeta being pushed back shouldn't be that large of an indicator. FP Perfect Cell did the same to SSJ 2 Gohan, and we know what happened there, lol.
Gohan's lip was not busted and he was basically letting Cell hit him, Vegeta just got out-right hit by Jeice.

Perhaps Vegeta did the same thing as Gohan did.
Gohan's lip was not busted and he never got into a pummel duel with Cell. Jeice was still able to somewhat defend himself from Vegeta before the kill
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Alex D. Boss Dec 20 2013, 05:57 PM Post #30
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Dec 20 2013, 05:48 PM
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Dec 19 2013, 05:48 PM
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Dec 19 2013, 05:41 PM
At the beginning of the Jeice vs Vegeta fight, I have Vegeta at 55,000. Vegeta was still getting hit a bit and Jeice's punch sent him back a meter and busted his lip. Honestly, I could have Vegeta be lower but I think 55,000 is fine
Vegeta being pushed back shouldn't be that large of an indicator. FP Perfect Cell did the same to SSJ 2 Gohan, and we know what happened there, lol.
Gohan's lip was not busted and he was basically letting Cell hit him, Vegeta just got out-right hit by Jeice.

Perhaps Vegeta did the same thing as Gohan did.
Gohan's lip was not busted and he never got into a pummel duel with Cell. Jeice was still able to somewhat defend himself from Vegeta before the kill

I'm not saying the gap between the 2 fights were the same. Vegeta just joked around with Jeice , and even took a punch with a smile on his face like Jeice can't do a thing to him.
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