Terra Crisis XII

Dec 19 2013, 04:38 AM

Ghostoku

Dec 19 2013, 03:45 AM

I know he only said that in the anime, the manga and anime are different, I'm just talking about the anime.
I see your point that goku was scared to fight super buu, but I think that can be explained because goku didn't want to impose on vegeta as he would be the only one who could beat him with his ssj3, so instead he involved him by suggesting fusion. Just how I saw it, and it makes sense to everything else, with placements and so. You probably think different, that's cool. 

@Darth pyrus, I'm not really taking it out of context, as goku said " you don't expect to beat ME like that do you", then he handed it back over to gohan because he is not needed, he would rather his son fight him. How is ME talking about gohan? Believe that if you want, I already said just about everyone on this forum has there mind set about this, I'm not gonna try and change that, some people can't see past " this buu is the most difficult one".

I see what you mean, but Vegeta already knew about SSJ3 Goku before they fused and he called him out on that too, also what happens next contradicts your theory, If goku didn't want to impose on Vegeta by going ssj3 against Super Buu then why did he do it against Kid Buu, Did he all of sudden just not give a flying F*ck about imposing vegeta at that point anymore? it doesnt add up bro, he also didn't suggest fusion against kid buu proving kid buu could not have been stronger than super buu and im not taking any offense at all to your responses so its all good, we're having a peaceful discussion here bro haha

Ghostoku

Dec 19 2013, 05:21 AM

Terra Crisis XII

Dec 19 2013, 04:38 AM

Ghostoku

Dec 19 2013, 03:45 AM

I know he only said that in the anime, the manga and anime are different, I'm just talking about the anime.
I see your point that goku was scared to fight super buu, but I think that can be explained because goku didn't want to impose on vegeta as he would be the only one who could beat him with his ssj3, so instead he involved him by suggesting fusion. Just how I saw it, and it makes sense to everything else, with placements and so. You probably think different, that's cool. 

@Darth pyrus, I'm not really taking it out of context, as goku said " you don't expect to beat ME like that do you", then he handed it back over to gohan because he is not needed, he would rather his son fight him. How is ME talking about gohan? Believe that if you want, I already said just about everyone on this forum has there mind set about this, I'm not gonna try and change that, some people can't see past " this buu is the most difficult one".

I see what you mean, but Vegeta already knew about SSJ3 Goku before they fused and he called him out on that too, also what happens next contradicts your theory, If goku didn't want to impose on Vegeta by going ssj3 against Super Buu then why did he do it against Kid Buu, Did he all of sudden just not give a flying F*ck about imposing vegeta at that point anymore? it doesnt add up bro, he also didn't suggest fusion against kid buu proving kid buu could not have been stronger than super buu and im not taking any offense at all to your responses so its all good, we're having a peaceful discussion here bro haha

Yeah I'm not taking any offense either, and that's fine you see it like that, i like it way better than all the people saying kid buu>>buuhan and that stuff.

As for my answers to your Quires, well, I think goku didn't suggest fusion in the kid buu fight because well, he already did, and he knows that didn't work, vegeta dosent want to fuse because of his pride, they sort of pointed that out with the patora and crushing them in front of the Kais, even though he said mabye if they weren't permanent, which could make you think why not regular fusion, well that's because the dance is too sissy for vegeta.

Also, yes vegeta knew about his ssj3, but goku still knows it would upset vegeta's pride, that's why goku even started out as ssj2, but later he knows he has no choice as buu's just playing around with him. He also already tried avoiding ssj3 by suggesting fusion back in buu. There are many factors that make me believe so.

There's a scene where goku says to kid buu that his twice as strong as he was before, I take before as the last buu, being super buu, that's why I think he's stronger than super buu as well.

Don't get me wrong, your theory works too, well from what I know of it, anything else that dosent make sense or my explanations for anything?

Sir Brofist

Dec 19 2013, 05:29 AM

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! I was just passing along eating my potato chips when I see this Kid Boo>Super Boo business going along here. Now anime wise, BS contradictions aside, sure why not.

But...manga?

I mean its simple comparison.

Goku's thoughts on Super Boo: "We have absolutely no chance against this guy unless we fuse."

Goku's thought on Kid Boo: "At full power I could defeat this guy."

And even if you assumed Goku's was mistaken with Kid Boo, there's a huge difference in the outright confidence he had with the Squirtle Boo and quite frankly putting up the fight against said Boo and then releasing his bowels and exclaiming to Vegeta that they will get their collective hind ends whooped if they try to fight Killer Croc Boo if they go outside without fusion.

Goku doesn't say anything about being Super Boo being unable to defeat him. He's expressed that he can't hold a candle to this guy and is only expressing the issue that now that Pimp Boo has devolved into Killer Croc Boo, fusion is no longer necessary. Gohan can take care of this guy by himself.

I'm sorry but there are some things in the manga that can have a few different view points. Such as the kind of gap Pre-Majin Vegeta has on Goku. Is it just enough to be significant, or is relatively large as it was during the Cell Games?

But this isn't the case. This is the simple difference between "I can take this bratty pint thing on at full power" and "Freaking Undertakes Collides Killer, we have utterly no chance without fusion!"

Darth Pyrus

Dec 19 2013, 06:10 AM

Pure Boo is definitely the strongest Boo in the anime. It's almost unmistakable how hard Toei tried with that.

SuperSaiyan2

Dec 19 2013, 06:12 AM

Darth Pyrus

Dec 19 2013, 06:10 AM

Pure Boo is definitely the strongest Boo in the anime. It's almost unmistakable how hard Toei tried with that.

There are still contradictions with that though.

-Super Boo kicking Goku and Vegeta's asses in his head.
-Pretty sure the statement remains where Goku says they can't beat Super Boo, but they can beat Pure.
-There is no notion that Goku made any power up.
-Goku thinks that Vegeta will wish for Gohan and Gotenks to come and kill Pure Boo.

Darth Pyrus

Dec 19 2013, 06:16 AM

SuperSaiyan2

Dec 19 2013, 06:12 AM

Darth Pyrus

Dec 19 2013, 06:10 AM

Pure Boo is definitely the strongest Boo in the anime. It's almost unmistakable how hard Toei tried with that.

There are still contradictions with that though.

-Super Boo kicking Goku and Vegeta's asses in his head.
-Pretty sure the statement remains where Goku says they can't beat Super Boo, but they can beat Pure.
-There is no notion that Goku made any power up.
-Goku thinks that Vegeta will wish for Gohan and Gotenks to come and kill Pure Boo.

Undeniably, yes. The message is still there.

SuperSaiyan2

Dec 19 2013, 06:17 AM

Darth Pyrus

Dec 19 2013, 06:16 AM

SuperSaiyan2

Dec 19 2013, 06:12 AM

Darth Pyrus

Dec 19 2013, 06:10 AM

Pure Boo is definitely the strongest Boo in the anime. It's almost unmistakable how hard Toei tried with that.

There are still contradictions with that though.

-Super Boo kicking Goku and Vegeta's asses in his head.
-Pretty sure the statement remains where Goku says they can't beat Super Boo, but they can beat Pure.
-There is no notion that Goku made any power up.
-Goku thinks that Vegeta will wish for Gohan and Gotenks to come and kill Pure Boo.

Undeniably, yes. The message is still there.

Not disagreeing, just pointing out that both sides are contradicted heavily.

Ghostoku

Dec 19 2013, 06:20 AM

@Tera Crisis XII,Yes, you have some good points there, but I see it a little differently because it works with everything else I believe, the things you have said are right too, as because other things make me believe kid buu is above super buu such as statements and so, through my eyes I see it different because they help support it. If somthing like the statement goku made to buucilo wasn't said, or buu being twice as strong as he was before, then I would probaly see those situations with vegeta and goku more like you because it makes more sense with other stuff, as any of us could be right.

Also vegeta and goku where only ssj's and they did ok against super buu and even beat him together, that kind of indicates he's not that strong, but then again you could probably just say somthing like buu didn't care that much about getting blasted and let his guard down because he knows he can't die in there, see how there's so many ways to look at it.
But you did say vegeta got knocked out, and why didn't goku turn ssj3 then, well that one can be answered easily, as that was after he knew buu can't die inside of buu, so no reason to turn ssj3, not because there's no reason becuase he's too strong.

Ssj3vegito96

Dec 19 2013, 06:54 AM

Idk what you guys are debating anymore lol. Someone want to update me?

Sir Brofist

Dec 19 2013, 06:02 AM

Even if you were referring to the Anime, your post about Boohan>Kid Boo doesn't match since the anime makes it very clear that they intended to have Kid Boo as the strongest Boo. They make many statements regarding Kid Boo has the most powerful, strongest Boo who was on a completely different level than all the other Boo's before him. Again contradictory but what is expressed in the anime.