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Are these characters strengths in the right order?
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Crow	Dec 18 2013, 12:55 AM Post #31
Posts: 446 Group: Member Member #8,668 Joined: December 10, 2012 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z Dragonball	Vegeta SSj4 Dec 17 2013, 09:43 PM Ssj3vegito96 Dec 17 2013, 09:20 PM He could've been referring to good buu because in Japanese dub he didn't say "majin buu" he said "buu". Also because good buu is the one still around. I have a feeling he wouldn't be referring to buuhan because that's not completely buu. That's buu with other fighters. Super buu maybe though. Also sorry but who is KP? And how is kid buu>buuhan in anime? He was refering to Kid Buu,that's the most logical to think! He is the last villain that Goku faced,when he said"Majin Buu"we will assume the final villain, who is Kid Buu There are many statements that prove Kid Buu anime>Buuhan KP=Darth Pyrus member=God of DBZ debates KP god of dbz debates? Dude that's not really true.



Super Gohan	Dec 18 2013, 01:38 AM Post #32
Posts: 674 Group: Member Member #6,283 Joined: May 29, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	Kingsley Dec 18 2013, 12:03 AM That quote is similar to the one in the manga, difficult doesn't necessarily mean the strongest. Here's a more clear quote The narrator makes it even more explicit, if that wasn't enough:



+ Pyrus	Dec 18 2013, 01:46 AM Post #33
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	La Fleur Dec 17 2013, 10:26 PM Darth Pyrus Dec 17 2013, 10:23 PM La Fleur Dec 17 2013, 09:59 PM Vegeta SSj4 Dec 17 2013, 09:55 PM La Fleur Dec 17 2013, 09:50 PM Vegeta SSj4 Dec 17 2013, 09:43 PM Ssj3vegito96 Dec 17 2013, 09:20 PM He could've been referring to good buu because in Japanese dub he didn't say "majin buu" he said "buu". Also because good buu is the one still around. I have a feeling he wouldn't be referring to buuhan because that's not completely buu. That's buu with other fighters. Super buu maybe though. Also sorry but who is KP? And how is kid buu>buuhan in anime? He was refering to Kid Buu,that's the most logical to think! He is the last villain that Goku faced,when he said"Majin Buu"we will assume the final villain, who is Kid Buu There are many statements that prove Kid Buu anime>Buuhan KP=Darth Pyrus member=God of DBZ debates If kid buu>buuhan in gt well thats pretty much f**k up everything Well in anime there are statements that pretty much prove Kid Buu>Buuhan,really messed up in gt if kid buu>buuhan well check this Goku base gt>Buuhan which will contradicts the base goku=ssj3 buu saga thing unless you think ssj3 buu saga goku>buuhan which is totally ridiculous That's not even a valid theory, so it doesn't mean much. so you think goku gt base=kid buu>buuhan No. I don't think GT follows the anime, for one. Secondly, I think Goku's strength increases exponentially across GT, so there is no "GT Base Goku" in a general sense.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Dec 18 2013, 01:51 AM Post #34
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	So what's your opinion on how strong base goku was against rildo?
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Crow	Dec 18 2013, 02:00 AM Post #35
Posts: 446 Group: Member Member #8,668 Joined: December 10, 2012 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z Dragonball	Gt is anime, it is toei, anime is toei, therefore they are the same, and things in it make beleive it is so.



+ Pyrus	Dec 18 2013, 02:19 AM Post #36
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Ssj3vegito96 Dec 18 2013, 01:51 AM So what's your opinion on how strong base goku was against rildo? Stronger than Boohan at the moment. Ghostoku Dec 18 2013, 02:00 AM Gt is anime, it is toei, anime is toei, therefore they are the same, and things in it make beleive it is so. Faulty. It's fine if you want to believe that, but I don't.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Dec 18 2013, 09:53 PM Post #37
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	How is it faulty? It makes sense perfect sense to me actually. Why wouldn't GT follow the anime?
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Terra Crisis XII	Dec 19 2013, 02:27 AM Post #38
Posts: 64 Group: Member Member #10,573 Joined: December 14, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball, Attack On Titan, Berserk, Magi Favourite Manga AOT, Kokoro Connect, Sword Art Online	Ssj3vegito96 Dec 17 2013, 11:15 PM How is kid buu stronger than buuhan in anime can someone remind me? Quotes please Are you guys crazy? dude dont believe the "Kid Buu is the strongest Buu" crap. Buuhan is stronger than kid buu, even Super Buu is stronger than kid buu. It doesnt make sense how goku and vegeta got completely stomped by Buuhan and Super Buu, But then Goku took on Kid Buu and held his own until he tired out. Buuhan>Buutenks>Super Buu>Kid Buu. Kid Buu is just more ruthless/dangerous.



+ Pyrus	Dec 19 2013, 02:36 AM Post #39
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Ssj3vegito96 Dec 18 2013, 09:53 PM How is it faulty? It makes sense perfect sense to me actually. Why wouldn't GT follow the anime? Spoiler: click to toggle A common theory I've heard time and time again throughout my career is that Dragon Ball GT follows the Dragon Ball Z anime when it comes to powerscaling. This is mainly brought on by the fact that Toei Animation produced both series, so it would be natural to assume the mindset they had in Z would carry over to GT. It could also be due to how powerful Goku is portrayed compared to everybody else in the series, even at one point flatout telling Goten and Trunks that fusing into Gotenks would be useless and only he with Super Saiyan 4 could defeat the villain (and that was only the first major arc). However, this belief, when put under a microscope (so to speak), can be dissected and disproved. What I am about to do does rely on some theories that a few of you may disagree with, and that is fine, but I have confidence that by the end of this, you will at least consider what I'm saying as making some logical sense. PART I: The Boo Saga Spoiler: click to toggle To begin, we have to start with the Boo arc in the Z anime. Three times by different characters, Kid Boo is stated to be the most powerful form of Majin Boo - once by Kibitoshin, once by Goku, and once by the narrator himself. In the Dragon Book that comes with Dragon Box 7, Kid Boo is also stated to be the strongest Boo. During the time Goku and Vegeta spend in the body of Super Boo, they fight memories of Gohan, Gotenks, and Piccolo. Vegeta fights Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks and Piccolo, and Goku fights Ultimate Gohan. In the Japanese version, after Gohan knocks Goku back, the full-blooded Saiyan states that this memory of his son is just as strong as the real one. This is also supported by the memories' entry in Daizenshuu 7, which states: "Their power is on par with their real counterparts, and even when defeated they immediately revive."^[1] Initially, Goku was overwhelmed by the Fake Gohan, but when he turned Super Saiyan, he took the advantage, if only by a little; on the other hand, Vegeta was becoming overwhelmed by the combined assault of Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks and Piccolo. To make matters worse, the fakes did not grow tired and, as their guidebook entry states, came back like new each time they were beaten. The two full-blooded Saiyans were in a pickle until Boo became distracted by some cakes, but this situation showed that at that point, Toei considered Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta to be superior to or at least on par with Ultimate Gohan, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, and Piccolo. Later during the same episode, Goku and Vegeta had trouble with Super Boo himself, and Goku stated that without any type of fusion, he and Vegeta could not beat Boo even without the boys and Piccolo absorbed. This is a clear contradiction to what Toei displayed earlier in the episode. When they ripped the good Majin Boo from Super Boo and Kid Boo forms, Kibitoshin stated that Kid Boo was the most powerful form of Boo. Goku decided to fight this Boo by himself, starting off in a filler fight as a Super Saiyan 2 and then ascending to Super Saiyan 3 shortly afterward. During their fight, Goku stated that Kid Boo was on a different level from all of the Boos up to then. When Goku took a short breather, Vegeta told him that he should be able to wipe Boo out with all of his might in the Super Saiyan 3 form, and Goku agreed. This particular moment follows what the manga laid out, but leads into another contradiction: If Super Saiyan 3 Goku was strong enough to destroy Kid Boo, who was at that point stated twice to be the most powerful form of Boo, but could not beat Super Boo with Vegeta's help, yet was stronger than Ultimate Gohan in just Super Saiyan, what in the world was going on? This was a case of Toei taking huge liberties with what Akira Toriyama laid out in the manga. Up until Gotenks was absorbed, Toei kept to the manga's hierarchy fairly well, but after that, things began to spiral into contradiction after contradiction as they decided to go their own way while still keeping key parts of the manga intact. Naturally, they would want Son Goku and Kid Boo to be the strongest fighters since they are the main participants in the "final battle." Unlike Toriyama, who knew full well that Goku and Kid Boo were not the strongest despite being in the final battle, Toei thought it fit to change things and, in a twisted, half-brained way, made Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Kid Boo the strongest fighters in the Z anime; this would include even Super Saiyan Vegetto. To close this chapter of the saga up, as the Genki-Dama was being prepared, the narrator reaffirmed that Kid Boo was the strongest form of Majin Boo. Super Saiyan 3 Goku >= Kid Boo > Super Saiyan Vegetto > Gohan-Boo = Base Vegetto > Gotenks-Boo > Super Saiyan Goku > Super Saiyan Vegeta > Ultimate Gohan >= Base Goku > Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks = Super Boo > Base Vegeta > Super Saiyan 2 Gotenks > Super Saiyan Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Super Saiyan Gotenks (pre-RoSaT) > Super Saiyan 3 Goku > Super Saiyan 2 Goku > Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta PART II: The End of Z / 28th Tenkaichi Budokai Spoiler: click to toggle Skip ahead ten years to the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai, and you have Goku telling Vegeta that someone incredibly strong would be entering the tournament. At the tournament grounds, when Mister Satan and Goku were talking, the Saiyan noted that someone besides them and Good Boo could win. Soon after, Piccolo asserted that Goku's fight with Oob (Kid Boo's reincarnation) would be the one of note, implying any other combination of fighters would not be as important. During the fight, Goku teased Oob and caused him to become enraged, bringing forth enough power for Gohan to excitedly wonder who the human was that could possibly be that powerful (which would thus mean the other humans, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chaozu were not that strong). Goku and Oob engaged in a nigh-even fight, and at some point, Goku realized Oob did not know how to use his power, and so ended the match, but not before stating that the human was as amazing as he expected. If you recall, Goku openly told Vegeta that someone incredible would be in the tournament, and later told Mister Satan that despite all of them and Boo being entered, Oob could be the one to win. On their own, Goku's statements do not mean much, but together, they assert that Goku's expectations were for Oob to be stronger than Good Boo at the very least - these expectations were stated to have been met. Goku fought this person in his regular form in an even battle. If Oob was too powerful for Goku to handle in his regular form, he would have transformed to even the playing field, yet he chose to end the fight and leave to train with the human. While it is an understandable assumption that Oob, while enraged, possessed the same amount of power as Kid Boo, being his reincarnation and all, it is not so firmly backed up in the text, and thus, I will not be assuming that position. If the Saiyans were allowed to transform at the tournament, Goku's expectations would be that someone stronger than his Super Saiyan 3 form would be fighting, and he decided to engage this person in his regular form. It would also mean that Good Boo is in the same league as his Super Saiyan 3 power, as he indicated that Boo had a chance of winning as well as them, yet ten years prior, Good Boo was absolutely no match for Skinny Boo, who was only a large portion of Fat Boo's power, who was somewhat weaker than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. The assumption would then imply Good Boo trained and became a lot stronger, or the Z Fighters did not grow in power by much at all, or both simultaneously. This is why at this point, I am assuming with good reason that the "no Super Saiyan" rule from the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai was still in effect for the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai as well. But I digress. At the very least, Base Goku and Oob were noticeably stronger than Good Boo, who was majorly stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Goku prior to the ten year timeskip. Oob (enraged) = Base Goku (EOZ) > Good Boo > Super Saiyan 2 Goku (10yrs prior) PART III: The Beginning of Dragon Ball GT Spoiler: click to toggle Finally, onto GT. According to the Perfect Files Volume 1, GT began five years after Z ended.^[2] Throughout those five years, Goku and Oob were training intensely in a special room on the Lookout. Shown clearly by their fight in the first episode, the two were basically equals, at least when Goku remained in his regular form. Since they had been training together for five years straight in a specialized room, it is safe to assume they at least reached the power of Kid Boo. Base Goku = Oob (BOGT) = Kid Boo > Base Goku = Oob (EOZ) > Good Boo In a brief series of unfortunate events, Goku was turned into a kid. He was not stated to have lost any power from this in the show itself, and the Perfect Files Volume 1 note: "His body’s strength doesn’t seem to be any different than when he was an adult, but apparently his small body has diminished his stamina."^[3] Goku then dove into a space adventure with Pan and Trunks to collect the Ultimate Dragon Balls, for if they didn't do so within a year, the Earth would explode. Along the way, Goku encountered a being called Redjic. Redjic was superior to Goku's normal power, but was inferior to his Super Saiyan power. Super Saiyan Goku (BOGT) > Redjic > Base Goku (BOGT) = Oob (BOGT) = Kid Boo > Base Goku (EOZ) = Oob (EOZ) > Good Boo After battling Redjic, eventually the group traveled to Planet M2, where they met up with the Mega Cannon Sigma and General Rild. The individual members of Mega Cannon Sigma were confident in defeating Goku, having the data recorded from his battle with Redjic, including when he used Super Saiyan. During their fight with him, Goku also showed them praise and said it had been a long time since he had met anybody like them. However, even combined, they were no match for Base Goku. This effectively showed that the Saiyan had grown a lot power-wise from his battles in space (remember: this is Toei). Base Goku (Planet M2) > Super Mega Cannon Sigma > Neji > Veise > Nutt > Super Saiyan Goku (Planet Imegga) > Redjic > Base Goku (Planet Imegga) = Oob (BOGT) = Kid Boo > Base Goku (EOZ) = Oob (EOZ) > Good Boo After easily defeating the Mega Cannon Sigma, Goku battled General Rild, who he implied was far more impressive than the machines. Base Goku was barely ahead of General Rild, who he stated was "even stronger" than some form of Majin Boo. Rild underwent two power-ups after Goku turned Super Saiyan, and was still at a noticeable disadvantage against the Saiyan; he was inevitably defeated. It is important to note that after Goku transformed, Rild stated that he had not been using "even half" of his power beforehand. This seemingly minor statement implies that the Super Saiyan multiplier was no longer 50-fold or 10-fold or anything large, but in fact was somewhere closer to 2- or 3-fold due to how it was said. If the multiplier was still, say, 50-fold at the time, Rild's observation would be an immense understatement. If the multiplier was truly still 50-fold, for instance, then a better statement would have been: "You weren't using even a tiny fraction of your power before." This is also shown during the filler battles inside Super Boo, as Base Goku goes from being at a slight disadvantage against Fake Gohan to being at a slight advantage after turning Super Saiyan. The multiplier was clearly not anything big in the minds of the Toei staff. Super Saiyan Goku (Planet M2) > Meta-Rild > Hyper Metal Rild > Base Goku (Planet M2) > General Rild > Majin Boo > Super Mega Cannon Sigma > Neji > Veise > Nutt > Super Saiyan Goku (Planet Imegga) > Redjic > Base Goku (Planet Imegga) = Oob (BOGT) = Kid Boo > Base Goku (EOZ) = Oob (EOZ) > Good Boo If you think the above chain is ridiculous due to Goku's power gains, just remember that this is Toei, and the same concept of him receiving unbelievably large amounts of power from seemingly every fight he is in happens in Dragon Ball Movie 4, which Toei made around the same time. Toei themselves tried to lampshade this when they had Goku state during his fight with Baby that Saiyans grow stronger the more they fight. PART IV: The Baby Saga Spoiler: click to toggle Some time later, the group arrived back on Earth with the Ultimate Dragon Balls in hand. Not much time passed before they were assaulted by their Baby-possessed family members. Goku took on Super Saiyan Gohan and Super Saiyan Goten, and defeated them handily. Though it was implied they were not going all-out on him, it was likewise implied Goku was not utilizing full effort to defend himself. Key information for this portion of the series comes from the Perfect Files again, regarding Gohan: "It seems that even in times of peace, he hasn’t neglected his training."^[4] This would imply that he trained during the five years between Z and GT, and it was shown that he regained the ability to transform into a Super Saiyan (and Super Saiyan 2 against Super #17, presumably). Logically, Gohan's Ultimate power from Z would have been his starting point when training, and any power he gained thereafter would be added onto that. Given the amount of time, it would not be presumptuous to say he had reached the level of Gotenks-Boo by the time GT began, at least. As Baby was implied to add power to Goten while possessing him, it would also seem likely that he added power to Gohan, yet Goku was not outmatched by any noticeable length by the Super Saiyan power of this warrior. Super Saiyan Goku (Planet M2) > Meta-Rild > Hyper Metal Rild > Base Goku (Planet M2) = Super Saiyan Gohan (Baby-possessed) > General Rild > Majin Boo > Gotenks-Boo = Base Gohan (BOGT) > Super Mega Cannon Sigma > Neji > Veise > Nutt > Super Saiyan Goku (Planet Imegga) > Redjic > Base Goku (Planet Imegga) = Oob (BOGT) = Kid Boo > Base Goku (EOZ) = Oob (EOZ) > Good Boo When Goku finally fought Vegeta-Baby, he immediately transformed to Super Saiyan 3 and was still tossed aside by Vegeta's power. According to the Perfect Files, Super Saiyan 2 "seems to not provide a rapid increase, so after Goku awakened to Super Saiyan 3, he would often skip over 2 and transform straight from 1 to 3," implying the boost from Super Saiyan 2 was nothing noteworthy - certainly less than Super Saiyan 3 and perhaps even less than regular Super Saiyan.^[5] Carrying on, Vegeta-Baby absorbed the Ki from Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Bra, and powered up so much that Goku stated Baby was the "strongest Ki" he had ever felt. Super Vegeta-Baby > Vegeta-Baby > Super Saiyan 3 Goku (M2) > Super Saiyan 2 Goku (M2) > Super Saiyan Goku (M2) > Meta-Rild > Hyper Metal Rild > Base Goku (M2) = Super Saiyan Gohan (Baby-possessed) > General Rild > Majin Boo > Gotenks-Boo = Base Gohan (BOGT) > Super Mega Cannon Sigma > Neji > Veise > Nutt > Super Saiyan Goku (Imegga) > Redjic > Base Goku (Imegga) = Oob (BOGT) = Kid Boo > Base Goku (EOZ) = Oob (EOZ) > Good Boo PART V: Conclusion Spoiler: click to toggle After all of this, the trouble should be beginning to show itself. By Toei's Z logic: Super Saiyan 3 Goku >= Kid Boo > Super Saiyan Vegetto > Gohan-Boo = Base Vegetto > Gotenks-Boo > Super Saiyan Goku > Super Saiyan Vegeta > Ultimate Gohan >= Base Goku > Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks = Super Boo > Base Vegeta > Super Saiyan 2 Gotenks > Super Saiyan Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT) > Super Saiyan Gotenks (pre-RoSaT) > Super Saiyan 3 Goku > Super Saiyan 2 Goku > Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta Yet Base Goku is only barely stronger than General Rild, who was stated stronger than some form of Majin Boo. If that form was Kid Boo, then by the logic set up in Z, Goku should have surpassed that level of power by the beginning of GT, let alone after increasing his strength multifold by the time he fought Rild. Any other form of Boo does not make sense with what is stated in Z, given that Base Goku was already nearly on par with Ultimate Gohan, then trained for ten years, then trained for another five years with Kid Boo's reincarnation that was already stronger than Good Boo, then gained a rather large power-up before fighting Rild. Going by Z's logic, the only power Goku could have be expecting from Oob was Kid Boo's power, whom he was the reincarnation of, after all. That would put Base Goku on par with Kid Boo by the end of Z, effectively making him and an enraged Oob the strongest beings until GT. Gotenks-Boo does not make sense because according to the Perfect Files, Base Gohan at the beginning of GT is at least on par with his Ultimate self from Z, and then gains power from Baby possessing him and Super Saiyan, which would no doubt put him above said Boo considering that, by addition, said Boo is not even twice as powerful as Ultimate Gohan. As a Super Saiyan with Baby's power, Gohan was at best slightly stronger than Base Goku (post-space battles). Gohan-Boo also does not make sense as, by addition, he would not be twice as strong as Ultimate Gohan either. Super Boo, Fat Boo, Skinny Boo, and Good Boo do not make sense because Base Goku was already shown to be superior to them, at least in Toei's collective mind. Base Goku (M2) > Rild > Super Mega Cannon Sigma > Sigma Bots > Super Saiyan Goku (Imegga) > Redjic > Base Goku (Imegga) = Oob (BOGT) > Kid Boo ~ Oob (EOZ) = Base Goku (EOZ) > All other Boos ...simply does not work. What's more, it would beg the question of why Goku did not comment that Redjic, the Sigma Bots, or the combined Sigmas were stronger than Majin Boo if that was the case, which it would have been going by Z's anime logic. It should be noted that Toei abandoned their idea of having Base Goku slightly superior to Weighted Pikkon, who was shown to be heavily superior to "Super" Perfect Cell, by the time the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai happened. Conclusively, if Toei could not be bothered to stick with one asinine chain of anime hax, and could not be bothered to make things consistent in the latter half of the Boo arc, it should be reasonable to claim that they either did not remember what they had done with the Z anime, or simply did not go about GT in that manner. That's my reasoning. Feel free to disagree. I'm even rethinking some of it at the moment. ^[1] http://web.archive.org/web/20111103160917/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz07.php?m=03&id=character_d-f#fake_warriors ^[2] http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=14812 ^[3] http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=14812] ^[4] http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=14812 ^[5] http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=14812
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Crow	Dec 19 2013, 02:54 AM Post #40
Posts: 446 Group: Member Member #8,668 Joined: December 10, 2012 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z Dragonball	Terra Crisis XII Dec 19 2013, 02:27 AM Ssj3vegito96 Dec 17 2013, 11:15 PM How is kid buu stronger than buuhan in anime can someone remind me? Quotes please Are you guys crazy? dude dont believe the "Kid Buu is the strongest Buu" crap. Buuhan is stronger than kid buu, even Super Buu is stronger than kid buu. It doesnt make sense how goku and vegeta got completely stomped by Buuhan and Super Buu, But then Goku took on Kid Buu and held his own until he tired out. Buuhan>Buutenks>Super Buu>Kid Buu. Kid Buu is just more ruthless/dangerous. Yeah I agree with you dude, except I think kid buu is stronger than super buu, but not really any higher than that, pretty much no one else on the forum thinks so though, so there's no point arguing about it. Since your's is similar to mine I'll tell you what I think. Buuhan>buutenks>goku ssj3>~kid buu>~buucilo>super buu>fat buu. There are reasons and statements made which help to show where goku and kid buu sit, you said you put kid buu under super buu but at one point goku said to buu after he turned down to buucilo " you don't expect to beat me like that do you", indicating he's stronger but weaker than buutenks because he has to fuse with gohan to take him. There's more but, meh. Edited by Crow, Dec 19 2013, 02:56 AM.



+ Pyrus	Dec 19 2013, 03:01 AM Post #41
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Ghostoku Dec 19 2013, 02:54 AM Terra Crisis XII Dec 19 2013, 02:27 AM Ssj3vegito96 Dec 17 2013, 11:15 PM How is kid buu stronger than buuhan in anime can someone remind me? Quotes please Are you guys crazy? dude dont believe the "Kid Buu is the strongest Buu" crap. Buuhan is stronger than kid buu, even Super Buu is stronger than kid buu. It doesnt make sense how goku and vegeta got completely stomped by Buuhan and Super Buu, But then Goku took on Kid Buu and held his own until he tired out. Buuhan>Buutenks>Super Buu>Kid Buu. Kid Buu is just more ruthless/dangerous. Yeah I agree with you dude, except I think kid buu is stronger than super buu, but not really any higher than that, pretty much no one else on the forum thinks so though, so there's no point arguing about it. Since your's is similar to mine I'll tell you what I think. Buuhan>buutenks>goku ssj3>~kid buu>~buucilo>super buu>fat buu. There are reasons and statements made which help to show where goku and kid buu sit, you said you put kid buu under super buu but at one point goku said to buu after he turned down to buucilo " you don't expect to beat me like that do you", indicating he's stronger but weaker than buutenks because he has to fuse with gohan to take him. There's more but, meh. That's taking things out of context. Goku was fired up about fusing with Gohan and had this chance dashed when Boo became so weak that Gohan could do it himself again. Basically Goku got involved for nothing.
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Terra Crisis XII	Dec 19 2013, 03:05 AM Post #42
Posts: 64 Group: Member Member #10,573 Joined: December 14, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball, Attack On Titan, Berserk, Magi Favourite Manga AOT, Kokoro Connect, Sword Art Online	Ghostoku Dec 19 2013, 02:54 AM Terra Crisis XII Dec 19 2013, 02:27 AM Ssj3vegito96 Dec 17 2013, 11:15 PM How is kid buu stronger than buuhan in anime can someone remind me? Quotes please Are you guys crazy? dude dont believe the "Kid Buu is the strongest Buu" crap. Buuhan is stronger than kid buu, even Super Buu is stronger than kid buu. It doesnt make sense how goku and vegeta got completely stomped by Buuhan and Super Buu, But then Goku took on Kid Buu and held his own until he tired out. Buuhan>Buutenks>Super Buu>Kid Buu. Kid Buu is just more ruthless/dangerous. Yeah I agree with you dude, except I think kid buu is stronger than super buu, but not really any higher than that, pretty much no one else on the forum thinks so though, so there's no point arguing about it. Since your's is similar to mine I'll tell you what I think. Buuhan>buutenks>goku ssj3>~kid buu>~buucilo>super buu>fat buu. There are reasons and statements made which help to show where goku and kid buu sit, you said you put kid buu under super buu but at one point goku said to buu after he turned down to buucilo " you don't expect to beat me like that do you", indicating he's stronger but weaker than buutenks because he has to fuse with gohan to take him. There's more but, meh. Yea i noticed that haha, But that quote from goku only happened in the anime its stated differently in the manga and goku was referring to Mystic Gohan when he said that. Also Goku said while inside Super Buu after they pulled out the boys and piccolo "although he's much weaker, we still dont stand a chance against him" But then he was completely confident in fighting Kid Buu, Goku and Vegeta also got merked by Super Buu while they were fighting him inside his body, Super Buu and Buucclo are both stronger than Kid Buu and SSj3 Goku but i agree with the rest and yea its like what Darth Pyrus said, Goku's statement was taken out of context. Edited by Terra Crisis XII, Dec 19 2013, 03:07 AM.



Crow	Dec 19 2013, 03:45 AM Post #43
Posts: 446 Group: Member Member #8,668 Joined: December 10, 2012 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z Dragonball	I know he only said that in the anime, the manga and anime are different, I'm just talking about the anime. I see your point that goku was scared to fight super buu, but I think that can be explained because goku didn't want to impose on vegeta as he would be the only one who could beat him with his ssj3, so instead he involved him by suggesting fusion. Just how I saw it, and it makes sense to everything else, with placements and so. You probably think different, that's cool.  @Darth pyrus, I'm not really taking it out of context, as goku said " you don't expect to beat ME like that do you", then he handed it back over to gohan because he is not needed, he would rather his son fight him. How is ME talking about gohan? Believe that if you want, I already said just about everyone on this forum has there mind set about this, I'm not gonna try and change that, some people can't see past " this buu is the most difficult one". Edited by Crow, Dec 19 2013, 03:48 AM.



Terra Crisis XII	Dec 19 2013, 04:38 AM Post #44
Posts: 64 Group: Member Member #10,573 Joined: December 14, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball, Attack On Titan, Berserk, Magi Favourite Manga AOT, Kokoro Connect, Sword Art Online	Ghostoku Dec 19 2013, 03:45 AM I know he only said that in the anime, the manga and anime are different, I'm just talking about the anime. I see your point that goku was scared to fight super buu, but I think that can be explained because goku didn't want to impose on vegeta as he would be the only one who could beat him with his ssj3, so instead he involved him by suggesting fusion. Just how I saw it, and it makes sense to everything else, with placements and so. You probably think different, that's cool.  @Darth pyrus, I'm not really taking it out of context, as goku said " you don't expect to beat ME like that do you", then he handed it back over to gohan because he is not needed, he would rather his son fight him. How is ME talking about gohan? Believe that if you want, I already said just about everyone on this forum has there mind set about this, I'm not gonna try and change that, some people can't see past " this buu is the most difficult one". I see what you mean, but Vegeta already knew about SSJ3 Goku before they fused and he called him out on that too, also what happens next contradicts your theory, If goku didn't want to impose on Vegeta by going ssj3 against Super Buu then why did he do it against Kid Buu, Did he all of sudden just not give a flying F*ck about imposing vegeta at that point anymore? it doesnt add up bro, he also didn't suggest fusion against kid buu proving kid buu could not have been stronger than super buu and im not taking any offense at all to your responses so its all good, we're having a peaceful discussion here bro haha



+ Pyrus	Dec 19 2013, 05:02 AM Post #45
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Ghostoku Dec 19 2013, 03:45 AM I know he only said that in the anime, the manga and anime are different, I'm just talking about the anime. I see your point that goku was scared to fight super buu, but I think that can be explained because goku didn't want to impose on vegeta as he would be the only one who could beat him with his ssj3, so instead he involved him by suggesting fusion. Just how I saw it, and it makes sense to everything else, with placements and so. You probably think different, that's cool.  @Darth pyrus, I'm not really taking it out of context, as goku said " you don't expect to beat ME like that do you", then he handed it back over to gohan because he is not needed, he would rather his son fight him. How is ME talking about gohan? Believe that if you want, I already said just about everyone on this forum has there mind set about this, I'm not gonna try and change that, some people can't see past " this buu is the most difficult one". Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P10.4-5 Goku: “Hahha—ah! Piccolo’s coming out strong now! Looks like the Fused squirts have returned to normal! You ran out of time! Tooo—oo bad! Your power’s fallen a whole lot. Cheh…I’m a little disappointed. This way, Gohan will be able to beat you even on his own…” Note: presumably be saying that "the Fused squirts have returned to normal", Goku means that Gotenks has split back up into Goten and Trunks, not merely that Gotenks' reverted from Super Saiyan 3 to regular Gotenks. At the very least, Goten and Trunks are separate by the time Goku and Vegeta find them inside of Boo. Goku's disappointment is in the fact that, as I pointed out, he got riled up to fuse with Gohan and it didn't end up happening.
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