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GT Frieza Vs...; How Far He Can Go?
Topic Started: Dec 16 2013, 04:07 PM (3,592 Views)
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I know its a forum and all but reporting really stinks.

anyway frieza cant be anywhere near buuhan let alone that stupid rildo.
but if you say it like that then Ssj2 z swird gohan ( WHO OS STRONGER THAN VEGETA sj2 but weaker than goku ssj2. why weaker than goku coz goku got best up got a zenkai then got beat up some more and another zenkai.

And Goku has Instant Transmission and he actually knows how to fight
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Dec 20 2013, 09:53 PM
I know its a forum and all but reporting really stinks.

anyway frieza cant be anywhere near buuhan let alone that stupid rildo.
but if you say it like that then Ssj2 z swird gohan ( WHO OS STRONGER THAN VEGETA sj2 but weaker than goku ssj2. why weaker than goku coz goku got best up got a zenkai then got beat up some more and another zenkai.

And Goku has Instant Transmission and he actually knows how to fight
Goku didn't get a Zenkai past the Frieza Saga, what are you talking about?

Anyway, skill does not translate to strength and Goku never uses Instant Transmission as well as he should
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isnt a zenkai like when a sayian get beat and returns stronger ? well goku gets beat alot. besides they dont need to say they got one thats dunb.

its like

Goku: Hey vegeta thanks for knocking me down and beating me i got aa zenkai now yay.

wtf?
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Dec 20 2013, 11:20 PM
isnt a zenkai like when a sayian get beat and returns stronger ? well goku gets beat alot. besides they dont need to say they got one thats dunb.

its like

Goku: Hey vegeta thanks for knocking me down and beating me i got aa zenkai now yay.

wtf?
Zenkais seem to stop once someone reaches SSJ, if they were still there, someone would mention "Hey, you're stronger than before". Not to mention that they would abuse it by nearly killing the other and then healing them with Dende's magic
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Nah Goku doesnt cheat like vegeta. and i doubt they stop. they do get zenkais the reason that they dont say " hey your stronger than before "
because youd hear it like 9000 times in a saga.
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Dec 21 2013, 12:05 AM
Nah Goku doesnt cheat like vegeta. and i doubt they stop. they do get zenkais the reason that they dont say " hey your stronger than before "
because youd hear it like 9000 times in a saga.
Nope

Android Saga
Goku was near-death once from the heart virus
Vegeta was near death once from Cell's elbow to the back
Trunks was never near death
Gohan was never near death
Buu Saga
No Saiyan was near death
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Dec 20 2013, 09:53 PM
I know its a forum and all but reporting really stinks.

anyway frieza cant be anywhere near buuhan let alone that stupid rildo.

He stayed in Hell to fight Goku while Rild was sent to Earth. Clear implication of who was stronger whom.
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but if you say it like that then Ssj2 z swird gohan ( WHO OS STRONGER THAN VEGETA sj2 but weaker than goku ssj2. why weaker than goku coz goku got best up got a zenkai then got beat up some more and another zenkai.

And Goku has Instant Transmission and he actually knows how to fight

SSj2 Vegeta and SSj2 Goku were equal once Vegeta had his potential brought past its limits by Babidi, so I'm not really sure how you arrived at Gohan being in between the two, especially when Gohan is implied to be nearing Fat Boo's level...the same Fat Boo that Goku admitted he couldn't do jacks*** against.
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isnt a zenkai like when a sayian get beat and returns stronger ? well goku gets beat alot. besides they dont need to say they got one thats dunb.

its like

Goku: Hey vegeta thanks for knocking me down and beating me i got aa zenkai now yay.

wtf?

Nobody but was near-death after the Freeza arc except arguably Gohan after Fat Boo blasted him nearly into space. You can't merely assume things.
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Dec 21 2013, 02:21 AM
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Dec 20 2013, 09:53 PM
I know its a forum and all but reporting really stinks.

anyway frieza cant be anywhere near buuhan let alone that stupid rildo.

He stayed in Hell to fight Goku while Rild was sent to Earth. Clear implication of who was stronger whom.
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but if you say it like that then Ssj2 z swird gohan ( WHO OS STRONGER THAN VEGETA sj2 but weaker than goku ssj2. why weaker than goku coz goku got best up got a zenkai then got beat up some more and another zenkai.

And Goku has Instant Transmission and he actually knows how to fight

SSj2 Vegeta and SSj2 Goku were equal once Vegeta had his potential brought past its limits by Babidi, so I'm not really sure how you arrived at Gohan being in between the two, especially when Gohan is implied to be nearing Fat Boo's level...the same Fat Boo that Goku admitted he couldn't do jacks*** against.
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Dec 20 2013, 11:20 PM
isnt a zenkai like when a sayian get beat and returns stronger ? well goku gets beat alot. besides they dont need to say they got one thats dunb.

its like

Goku: Hey vegeta thanks for knocking me down and beating me i got aa zenkai now yay.

wtf?

Nobody but was near-death after the Freeza arc except arguably Gohan after Fat Boo blasted him nearly into space. You can't merely assume things.
Goku was about to die from the heart virus and Vegeta got his spine shattered by Perfect Cell, to the point where Krilling thought he was dead
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Prove yourself.
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Dec 21 2013, 02:53 AM
Prove yourself.
With Vegeta, that's debatable but how can you say that Goku wasn't near death? He was having a heart attack so bad that Senzu Beans were doing crap, all while 19 beat the crap out of him.

It doesn't really matter, since both of us agree that there were non Zenkais past Frieza, right?
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Goku had the medicine.

I think zenkais got so small they may as well have stopped.
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These posts has made a good point that Gt(assuming a sequel) isn't really as powerful as once thought.

From the "When was super vegito surpassed?" thread
 
Kaboom
Dec 14 2013, 11:14 PM
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Dec 14 2013, 10:39 PM
What is your take on the statement about Rilld then? Because he was also stated to be stronger than Boo. Then we also have Rilld's other forms, Baby-Gohan, and Base Baby Vegeta who would also be stronger than Rilld. So why do you think this statement about Rilld doesn't relate to Gohan-Boo?
I think it makes the most sense to be referring to the Boo who's still around and kicking.

If there were no Majin Boos still around, then you could take it to mean the strongest form, or the last form he took before he was destroyed, or just whatever form Goku fought and could compare him to, or whatever. But no, there's actually still this guy called "Majin Boo" who's back on Earth chilling with everyone, and whom Pan and Trunks both know well. So Mr. Boo seems like the most obvious choice to me.

I mean, if Goku had compared Rild to Piccolo instead, would you assume he meant King Piccolo, just because King Piccolo was a previously-defeated enemy? No, it'd mean the Piccolo who's back on Earth at that moment. Why should it be any different for Boo?
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Dec 14 2013, 11:23 PM
I might have to agree with it being Good Boo.

Episode 19
Time: Roughly 5m
Context: Rild arrives at the Saiyans' spaceship; Goku feels his ki again
Goku: “The universe certainly is a big place, huh? To think that I should come across someone with a Ki as large as yours... It's even greater than Boo's.”

Notice how Goku says his line. He speaks not of "Majin Boo" or "The Evil Boo" or "The Boo that absorbed my sons" but by the simple name of "Boo." He says it in an almost natural kind of way, like how some people who know Goku might just call him "Son" Well this is just the same thing, it's just "Boo." Not even Majin Boo, just plain "Boo." And the only Boo he'd really do that with is Good Boo.

I mean, you'd think Goku would show more concern over a guy who was even stronger than Gohan Boo, especially with his reaction to Baby Vegeta and stuff.


This depends on what power you have Good Buu at though. It's quite arbitrary since Good Buu has no decent feats, he got owned in both of the fights he's been in. You can't use his survival against Kid Buu because of the nature of the Majin Buu body.
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Dec 21 2013, 02:03 PM
These posts has made a good point that Gt(assuming a sequel) isn't really as powerful as once thought.

From the "When was super vegito surpassed?" thread
 
Kaboom
Dec 14 2013, 11:14 PM
SuperSaiyan2
Dec 14 2013, 10:39 PM
What is your take on the statement about Rilld then? Because he was also stated to be stronger than Boo. Then we also have Rilld's other forms, Baby-Gohan, and Base Baby Vegeta who would also be stronger than Rilld. So why do you think this statement about Rilld doesn't relate to Gohan-Boo?
I think it makes the most sense to be referring to the Boo who's still around and kicking.

If there were no Majin Boos still around, then you could take it to mean the strongest form, or the last form he took before he was destroyed, or just whatever form Goku fought and could compare him to, or whatever. But no, there's actually still this guy called "Majin Boo" who's back on Earth chilling with everyone, and whom Pan and Trunks both know well. So Mr. Boo seems like the most obvious choice to me.

I mean, if Goku had compared Rild to Piccolo instead, would you assume he meant King Piccolo, just because King Piccolo was a previously-defeated enemy? No, it'd mean the Piccolo who's back on Earth at that moment. Why should it be any different for Boo?
Sir Brofist
Dec 14 2013, 11:23 PM
I might have to agree with it being Good Boo.

Episode 19
Time: Roughly 5m
Context: Rild arrives at the Saiyans' spaceship; Goku feels his ki again
Goku: “The universe certainly is a big place, huh? To think that I should come across someone with a Ki as large as yours... It's even greater than Boo's.”

Notice how Goku says his line. He speaks not of "Majin Boo" or "The Evil Boo" or "The Boo that absorbed my sons" but by the simple name of "Boo." He says it in an almost natural kind of way, like how some people who know Goku might just call him "Son" Well this is just the same thing, it's just "Boo." Not even Majin Boo, just plain "Boo." And the only Boo he'd really do that with is Good Boo.

I mean, you'd think Goku would show more concern over a guy who was even stronger than Gohan Boo, especially with his reaction to Baby Vegeta and stuff.


This depends on what power you have Good Buu at though. It's quite arbitrary since Good Buu has no decent feats, he got owned in both of the fights he's been in. You can't use his survival against Kid Buu because of the nature of the Majin Buu body.
Sure, I can. He outperformed Vegeta even with his vulnerability to another Boo. Pure Boo visibly had to exert more effort to put him down whereas Vegeta got utterly humiliated.

http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8078788&t=8278648
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8079173&t=8278648
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8079335&t=8278648
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Dec 21 2013, 03:11 PM
bloodstained euphy
Dec 21 2013, 02:03 PM
These posts has made a good point that Gt(assuming a sequel) isn't really as powerful as once thought.

From the "When was super vegito surpassed?" thread
 
Kaboom
Dec 14 2013, 11:14 PM
SuperSaiyan2
Dec 14 2013, 10:39 PM
What is your take on the statement about Rilld then? Because he was also stated to be stronger than Boo. Then we also have Rilld's other forms, Baby-Gohan, and Base Baby Vegeta who would also be stronger than Rilld. So why do you think this statement about Rilld doesn't relate to Gohan-Boo?
I think it makes the most sense to be referring to the Boo who's still around and kicking.

If there were no Majin Boos still around, then you could take it to mean the strongest form, or the last form he took before he was destroyed, or just whatever form Goku fought and could compare him to, or whatever. But no, there's actually still this guy called "Majin Boo" who's back on Earth chilling with everyone, and whom Pan and Trunks both know well. So Mr. Boo seems like the most obvious choice to me.

I mean, if Goku had compared Rild to Piccolo instead, would you assume he meant King Piccolo, just because King Piccolo was a previously-defeated enemy? No, it'd mean the Piccolo who's back on Earth at that moment. Why should it be any different for Boo?
Sir Brofist
Dec 14 2013, 11:23 PM
I might have to agree with it being Good Boo.

Episode 19
Time: Roughly 5m
Context: Rild arrives at the Saiyans' spaceship; Goku feels his ki again
Goku: “The universe certainly is a big place, huh? To think that I should come across someone with a Ki as large as yours... It's even greater than Boo's.”

Notice how Goku says his line. He speaks not of "Majin Boo" or "The Evil Boo" or "The Boo that absorbed my sons" but by the simple name of "Boo." He says it in an almost natural kind of way, like how some people who know Goku might just call him "Son" Well this is just the same thing, it's just "Boo." Not even Majin Boo, just plain "Boo." And the only Boo he'd really do that with is Good Boo.

I mean, you'd think Goku would show more concern over a guy who was even stronger than Gohan Boo, especially with his reaction to Baby Vegeta and stuff.


This depends on what power you have Good Buu at though. It's quite arbitrary since Good Buu has no decent feats, he got owned in both of the fights he's been in. You can't use his survival against Kid Buu because of the nature of the Majin Buu body.
Sure, I can. He outperformed Vegeta even with his vulnerability to another Boo. Pure Boo visibly had to exert more effort to put him down whereas Vegeta got utterly humiliated.

http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8078788&t=8278648
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8079173&t=8278648
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8079335&t=8278648
I had a rebuttal in mind but those manga scans convinced me.

Frieza stops at round 13 if Goku and Vegeta can exploit Frieza's lack of energy sensing(did Gt Frieza still lack this ability?), and round 14, against SSJ3 Goku, would easily stop him.
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Ok I just gotta step right in. I'd venture to say Final Form 100% Frieza is easily tough enough to go head to head with Season 8 Super Vegetto. His hypethetical "5th" form vs hypothetical "10 years later" Vegetto is another story. Only because I have no frame of reference for what Goku and Vegeta could DO at that time. They really don't even talk too much come to think of it so it's hard to say. But yeah, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that Frieza can take on the toughest fighters from Z if he went toe-to-toe with the strongest guy in GT
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